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Post by vjaska on Jul 29, 2014 17:35:18 GMT
The road layout is a one way system using Caldecot Road, Bessemer Road & Cutcombe Road to serve & leave the Hospital. The roads are quite narrow but you might be able to remove a few parking spaces on nearby Bavent Road so as to serve the Hospital in both directions. I'd prefer the 484 to terminate inside rather than the 42 though. But then the 484 would fall short of Camberwell Green. I think rerouting the 42 to East Dulwich Sainsburys is probably the best idea, I don't know why it didn't happen when it was originally proposed? Not if the dead end on Bessemer Road was opened up - then, there would be no need to even terminate at the hospital allowing the 484 to enter the hospital grounds and still terminate at Camberwell Green. I agree with the 42 to East Dulwich Sainsbury's proposal, there is even a spare bus shelter at the Sainsbury's for it to terminate as there is two shelters and the P13 in both directions uses the same stop.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 29, 2014 17:37:38 GMT
Seriously, hasn't anyone heard of curtains? These kind of complaints tend to annoy me a little. There is often a bit more too it than that, top deck passengers able to see over fences etc. Most of the complaints are ridiculous but we live in a democracy. One of the more ridiculous ones is the 316 which is restricted to single deckers even though all but a very short section of the route is covered by other double deck routes, some sort of agreement about no more deckers on the section served by the 295 is apparently the reason for it. The 316 is restricted to single deckers because of a nimby politician living on the section of Barlby Road that only the 316 serves - that's what I heard anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 19:32:34 GMT
I doubt TfL go out and specifically ask for views where it knows there's an issue. It will depend entirely on TfL receiving complaints. The problem with all of this is that those who complain shout louder than those who are probably not the least bit bothered about a double deck bus on the 42 or those who use the 42 and wish there were double decks because it's go busy. I can perhaps understand people being annoyed if they live by a bus stand and drivers don't switch engines off when they're supposed to. The only time TfL actively canvasses opinion is when there is a consultation and that process runs the risk of being hijacked by "moaners" rather than people who'd benefit. The classic example was route 324 - a service long demanded by people but where there was a vociferous local campaign in Belmont that alleged cars would be damaged, houses would fall down, children would be slain by marauding buses and the world would end [1] if buses ran down a local road not far from Stanmore. Thankfully their nonsense was outweighed by a big positive response by people who took the time to actually say "yes we want this new bus route". Last time I looked the world had not ended and there was not daily chaos in NW London resulting from the operation of route 324. [1] I might be exaggerating very slightly. Funny, I was only wondering the other day whatever happened to Mr Rudolph?... I think the Sunray Avenue thing is a red herring. I thought it had previously been established that the problem was with trees on Red Post Hill. My memory may be at fault but it wasn't that they needed cutting back but they were growing at a slight angle, leading to a perceived risk of a double decker hitting one. The answer was to build out the kerb at those points but there were problems over cost, doing the work, loss of parking etc. I know this is VERY off topic but what ever did happen to Mr Rudolph and his London Enthusiast group? is suddenly shut down over night a few years back!
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Post by vjaska on Jul 29, 2014 23:14:56 GMT
Funny, I was only wondering the other day whatever happened to Mr Rudolph?... I think the Sunray Avenue thing is a red herring. I thought it had previously been established that the problem was with trees on Red Post Hill. My memory may be at fault but it wasn't that they needed cutting back but they were growing at a slight angle, leading to a perceived risk of a double decker hitting one. The answer was to build out the kerb at those points but there were problems over cost, doing the work, loss of parking etc. I know this is VERY off topic but what ever did happen to Mr Rudolph and his London Enthusiast group? is suddenly shut down over night a few years back! This isn't 'Edward Rudolph' by any chance?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 6:09:29 GMT
I know this is VERY off topic but what ever did happen to Mr Rudolph and his London Enthusiast group? is suddenly shut down over night a few years back! This isn't 'Edward Rudolph' by any chance? I think his name was Edward
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 30, 2014 7:22:45 GMT
Further to my earlier post, a quick search brings up the following from beaver14uk last year: Sunray Avenue/Red Post Hill It was agreed that when cars are not parked along the nearside then there is the potential for a bus to hit a tree at several locations on these two streets. LB Southwark said that there is no likelihood of any of the larger boughs being removed from the trees as it is a conservation area and there are tree preservation orders. An alternative solution would be to install kerb build-outs at the bottom of each tree. This would necessitate removing parking spaces. This will be investigated further. Conclusion Double deck buses are not currently suitable for operation on route 42 due to overhanging trees at Sunray Avenue and Red Post Hill. The 42 is going double decker, was recently mentioned briefly by a reliable person on another group I'm on...
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Post by Nathan on Jul 30, 2014 12:12:52 GMT
Further to my earlier post, a quick search brings up the following from beaver14uk last year: Sunray Avenue/Red Post Hill It was agreed that when cars are not parked along the nearside then there is the potential for a bus to hit a tree at several locations on these two streets. LB Southwark said that there is no likelihood of any of the larger boughs being removed from the trees as it is a conservation area and there are tree preservation orders. An alternative solution would be to install kerb build-outs at the bottom of each tree. This would necessitate removing parking spaces. This will be investigated further. Conclusion Double deck buses are not currently suitable for operation on route 42 due to overhanging trees at Sunray Avenue and Red Post Hill. The 42 is going double decker, was recently mentioned briefly by a reliable person on another group I'm on... *COUGHS* Ex-453 buses *COUGHS* Actually, I think this is pretty obvious by now. It's interesting that 3 buses would have converted to DD this year (42, 66, and 129).
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Post by sid on Jul 30, 2014 14:28:17 GMT
The 42 is going double decker, was recently mentioned briefly by a reliable person on another group I'm on... *COUGHS* Ex-453 buses *COUGHS* Actually, I think this is pretty obvious by now. It's interesting that 3 buses would have converted to DD this year (42, 66, and 129). Is the 129 an official conversion or is it just the NX have never got enough serviceable single deckers? There are a few other routes that could do with double decking as well.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 31, 2014 9:36:40 GMT
The 42 is going double decker, was recently mentioned briefly by a reliable person on another group I'm on... *COUGHS* Ex-453 buses *COUGHS* Actually, I think this is pretty obvious by now. It's interesting that 3 buses would have converted to DD this year (42, 66, and 129). Don't forget the 372
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Aug 9, 2014 11:04:33 GMT
Further to my earlier post, a quick search brings up the following from beaver14uk last year: Sunray Avenue/Red Post Hill It was agreed that when cars are not parked along the nearside then there is the potential for a bus to hit a tree at several locations on these two streets. LB Southwark said that there is no likelihood of any of the larger boughs being removed from the trees as it is a conservation area and there are tree preservation orders. An alternative solution would be to install kerb build-outs at the bottom of each tree. This would necessitate removing parking spaces. This will be investigated further. Conclusion Double deck buses are not currently suitable for operation on route 42 due to overhanging trees at Sunray Avenue and Red Post Hill. The 42 is going double decker, was recently mentioned briefly by a reliable person on another group I'm on... Did that person given a certain timescale for this supposed conversion?
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 9, 2014 15:20:36 GMT
The 42 is going double decker, was recently mentioned briefly by a reliable person on another group I'm on... Did that person given a certain timescale for this supposed conversion? No, but eventually more details will eventually be known
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Post by marlon101 on Aug 10, 2014 8:46:28 GMT
I'm going to play devil's advocate and suggest that I like boarding ELS buses at Liverpool Street, where I often have my choice of seats and often sit next to the engine bay in the heat of summer because I love hearing them Scanias at work and although that part of the bus is warm, it isn't unbearable or any different to any other type of bus.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 10, 2014 13:03:08 GMT
I'm going to play devil's advocate and suggest that I like boarding ELS buses at Liverpool Street, where I often have my choice of seats and often sit next to the engine bay in the heat of summer because I love hearing them Scanias at work and although that part of the bus is warm, it isn't unbearable or any different to any other type of bus. I quite like them too, also nice to have something different considering there are very few Scania's riding in the parts of London it serves.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 10:30:52 GMT
42 should get double deckers it is so packed and used to have them as odd workings but they suddenly stopped.
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Post by Unorm on Aug 22, 2014 13:58:49 GMT
Back in 2011 there was loads of DD buses straying on the route, I remember boarding WVL (68), VP (185) VWL (185) and other buses there before 12's DDs arrived and before it moved to MW. I also want to know the trees in Sunra Avenue? I would like 42 to be extended to Herne Hill or swap terminuses with 201 but I don't think that can happen tbh.
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