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Post by Nathan on Jul 22, 2014 15:48:35 GMT
Just got am email about a new consultation:
"I am writing to let you know that we would like your views on options for new river crossings in east and south east London that will help improve connectivity across the River Thames. This is following a consultation which ended in February 2013.
The options for new river crossings are as follows: • A new ferry service or bridge at Gallions Reach • A new ferry at Woolwich • A bridge at Belvedere For full details and to have your say, including a list of roadshows where you can speak to a member of staff, please visit tfl.gov.uk/new-river-crossings
This consultation will close on Friday 12 September 2014."
A new bridge in Belvedere? That would be interesting to see. I wonder what new routes would be created from this.
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Post by jay38a on Jul 22, 2014 16:01:05 GMT
Before any of this could go ahead in possibly replacing the Woolwich Ferry, it would need to go through parliament about closing the Ferry as it's in law that a free ferry must be provided at Woolwich.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 22, 2014 18:16:09 GMT
When the consultation was launched I had a quick skim through one of the main documents. TfL have not defined any bus service changes and have merely stated that it is likely some bus services would run on the new bridge link(s). The far bigger issue both north and south of the Thames is the traffic impact on the road networks near where the bridges would "land" on each bank. That could have dire consequences for bus services over a wide area and I wonder if TfL would evaluate the likely impact on bus services and also the cost implications of much slower services at peak times. This may be either lower frequencies to keep PVRs the same with resultant overcrowding or, more likely, the cost of extra buses needed to maintain existing service levels.
I can see why people argue about the need for one or two extra river crossings in the East but I am not convinced that the full impact on roads and the need for more / wider roads to cope with flows to and from the crossing has been revealed. I do know people living in parts of SE London are extremely concerned about how much worse air quality will get if any bridge or tunnel is construced.
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Post by southeastlondonbus on Jul 22, 2014 18:20:57 GMT
As a resident of the area I totally disagree with the bridge proposal the roads are in no condition to handle the amount of extra traffic that would be generated and the only way to build extra roads would be to sacrifice some of the green open spaces in the area which would be a massive loss. And don't get me started on the subject of air quality.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 19:26:43 GMT
As a resident of the area I totally disagree with the bridge proposal the roads are in no condition to handle the amount of extra traffic that would be generated and the only way to build extra roads would be to sacrifice some of the green open spaces in the area which would be a massive loss. And don't get me started on the subject of air quality. I am actually in favor of the road! DUCKS for cover!!! All it takes is for the Blackwall Tunnel to have a minor hiccup and you end up with gridlock in East and south East London. The ferry regularly has technical problems resulting in a one boat service. Does anybody know why the bridge at Beckton got started but stopped?
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Post by vjaska on Jul 22, 2014 19:56:11 GMT
I may not live in the east but I'd like to see at least two crossings built - the Blackwall Tunnel needs pressure taken of it and I think two crossings (one in Belvedere from the roundabout where Picardy Manorway meets Bronze Age Way) could help substantially. The roads in & around that roundabout are fairly wide and quiet from my observations so traffic impact could actually not be as bad as first thought.
As for potential bus routes for a Belvedere bridge, the 180 seems the obvious choice - BV is still close by so shouldn't effect dead running too much.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 20:10:10 GMT
I may not live in the east but I'd like to see at least two crossings built - the Blackwall Tunnel needs pressure taken of it and I think two crossings (one in Belvedere from the roundabout where Picardy Manorway meets Bronze Age Way) could help substantially. The roads in & around that roundabout are fairly wide and quiet from my observations so traffic impact could actually not be as bad as first thought. As for potential bus routes for a Belvedere bridge, the 180 seems the obvious choice - BV is still close by so shouldn't effect dead running too much. I think the bus opportunities will be excellent! it will create lots of new links!
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Post by Nathan on Jul 22, 2014 21:59:03 GMT
As for potential bus routes for a Belvedere bridge, the 180 seems the obvious choice - BV is still close by so shouldn't effect dead running too much. I think a route going to Dagenham would prove useful. Or even Romford or Upminster.
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Post by VPL630 on Jul 22, 2014 22:08:29 GMT
Just build a bridge at Woolwich, would save so much hassle, would improve the 474 and 473, would stop the roundabout getting blocked on the Woolwich end, I can't see any disadvantage other than it would draw mega traffic towards it, would most likely have some toll device fitted, it would also have to be able to be raided so boats can get through
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Post by vjaska on Jul 22, 2014 23:19:30 GMT
As for potential bus routes for a Belvedere bridge, the 180 seems the obvious choice - BV is still close by so shouldn't effect dead running too much. I think a route going to Dagenham would prove useful. Or even Romford or Upminster. Possibly - I mean it's not my area so I'm not entirely 100%. I think 'DW498's' suggestion about the 473 to Woolwich if a bridge was built there is very good - a Woolwich to Stratford could be very popular.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 23:35:37 GMT
The Blackwall Tunnel definitely needs some help. Living in Tower Hamlets I know all about it. During the afternoon/evening rush hour, one delay on the tunnel affects practically the whole borough. The A12 gets jammed all the way to Old Ford and Lea Interchange (even further if it's bad). Bow becomes a real mess because Bow Roundabout gets packed, affecting loads of routes like the 8, 25, 108, 205, 276, 425, 488 and the D8. BW gets heavily affected as Fairfield Road gets blocked and it's also quite narrow. The 25 has enough problems. Westwards, the A11 frequently gets jammed all the way to Stepney Green and Whitechapel, if it's bad even to Aldgate which has its own problems. The A13 also gets jammed though not as far. Eastwards I don't really know.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 23, 2014 8:03:53 GMT
Just build a bridge at Woolwich, would save so much hassle, would improve the 474 and 473, would stop the roundabout getting blocked on the Woolwich end, I can't see any disadvantage other than it would draw mega traffic towards it, would most likely have some toll device fitted, it would also have to be able to be raided so boats can get through You've hinted at the major flaw with your idea - the lack of height. Any new bridge needs to be high enough to allow shipping to pass unhindered and without the bridge itself needing to move. There's no scope to gain enough height on the north bank and it must be doubtful on the south side without creating some monstrous road junction requiring housing and shops to be demolished. I'm pretty certain the height issue is what has forced the choice of the Galleons Reach or Belevedere locations plus certain road links already in existence.
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Post by southeastlondonbus on Jul 23, 2014 8:43:55 GMT
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Post by sid on Jul 23, 2014 11:03:24 GMT
As a resident of the area I totally disagree with the bridge proposal the roads are in no condition to handle the amount of extra traffic that would be generated and the only way to build extra roads would be to sacrifice some of the green open spaces in the area which would be a massive loss. And don't get me started on the subject of air quality. I very much agree, any new bridge would create far more problems than it would solve.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 23, 2014 11:13:49 GMT
Have I missed something in the article - according to it, Plumstead is a 'quiet' & 'peaceful' suburb lool.
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