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Post by YY13VKP on Aug 16, 2014 23:53:58 GMT
Hey there I wasn't sure if i was in the right place to post this but.... If you don't already know, there's this bus route called the 409, Its operated by Metrobus using 4 MPD's (287-289,344) one Scania double decker and a few Caetano Nimbuses. It runs from Caterham Station to Selsdon,via Warlingham (where TFL Route 403 starts) these are both in the TFL Zone. I've seen many people board that bus when I'm on it asking if Oyster Cards are accepted, which they are not. The route runs through many TFL zones like Caterham Station, Caterham on the hill, Whyteleafe Station,Kenley, Warlingham Green, Selsdon Library. These places are all within London Zone 6. I don't see why this is not a TFL route. Thats why I'm bringing this up. Who knows why?
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Post by IanF on Aug 16, 2014 23:57:53 GMT
Hey there I wasn't sure if i was in the right place to post this but.... If you don't already know, there's this bus route called the 409, Its operated by Metrobus using 4 MPD's (287-289,344) one Scania double decker and a few Caetano Nimbuses. It runs from Caterham Station to Selsdon,via Warlingham (where TFL Route 403 starts) these are both in the TFL Zone. I've seen many people board that bus when I'm on it asking if Oyster Cards are accepted, which they are not. The route runs through many TFL zones like Caterham Station, Caterham on the hill, Whyteleafe Station,Kenley, Warlingham Green, Selsdon Library. These places are all within London Zone 6. I don't see why this is not a TFL route. Thats why I'm bringing this up. Who knows why? Because metrobus created it as a commercial route tfl didn't think it was a needed link on the borders of there area.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 0:18:03 GMT
Hey there I wasn't sure if i was in the right place to post this but.... If you don't already know, there's this bus route called the 409, Its operated by Metrobus using 4 MPD's (287-289,344) one Scania double decker and a few Caetano Nimbuses. It runs from Caterham Station to Selsdon,via Warlingham (where TFL Route 403 starts) these are both in the TFL Zone. I've seen many people board that bus when I'm on it asking if Oyster Cards are accepted, which they are not. The route runs through many TFL zones like Caterham Station, Caterham on the hill, Whyteleafe Station,Kenley, Warlingham Green, Selsdon Library. These places are all within London Zone 6. I don't see why this is not a TFL route. Thats why I'm bringing this up. Who knows why? It does not go to Kenley? Lets not forget the route also serves Farleigh and Chelsham where no other TfL route goes.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 17, 2014 2:52:03 GMT
Hey there I wasn't sure if i was in the right place to post this but.... If you don't already know, there's this bus route called the 409, Its operated by Metrobus using 4 MPD's (287-289,344) one Scania double decker and a few Caetano Nimbuses. It runs from Caterham Station to Selsdon,via Warlingham (where TFL Route 403 starts) these are both in the TFL Zone. I've seen many people board that bus when I'm on it asking if Oyster Cards are accepted, which they are not. The route runs through many TFL zones like Caterham Station, Caterham on the hill, Whyteleafe Station,Kenley, Warlingham Green, Selsdon Library. These places are all within London Zone 6. I don't see why this is not a TFL route. Thats why I'm bringing this up. Who knows why? I wouldn't really call Caterham a TfL zone considering there are far more non London bus routes passing through the village compared to just the one TfL route, the 407. I'm surprised the 409 has MPD's and even more surprised it still has its one original Scania Omnicity DD from its days when it ran Croydon, Fairfield Halls to East Grinstead.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 10:37:09 GMT
It runs from Caterham Station to Selsdon,via Warlingham (where TFL Route 403 starts) these are both in the TFL Zone. Only Selsdon is in the TfL zone, the rest of the route runs in Surrey. Although the Catherham branch and a number of other stations in that part of Surrey are within zone 6, that is only because Southern Railway decided to include them. It has nothing to do with TfL. Looking on the south east London bus map it is only the section of Old Farliegh Road from Selsdon to Selsdon Wood that is within Greater London, after that it runs close to the boundary but never crosses back over it. So the vast majority of that route serves people who pay taxes to Surrey County Council as their local transport authority, not TfL, so even to consider it like many other cross border routes would be a stretch.
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Post by YY13VKP on Aug 17, 2014 11:14:52 GMT
Hey there I wasn't sure if i was in the right place to post this but.... If you don't already know, there's this bus route called the 409, Its operated by Metrobus using 4 MPD's (287-289,344) one Scania double decker and a few Caetano Nimbuses. It runs from Caterham Station to Selsdon,via Warlingham (where TFL Route 403 starts) these are both in the TFL Zone. I've seen many people board that bus when I'm on it asking if Oyster Cards are accepted, which they are not. The route runs through many TFL zones like Caterham Station, Caterham on the hill, Whyteleafe Station,Kenley, Warlingham Green, Selsdon Library. These places are all within London Zone 6. I don't see why this is not a TFL route. Thats why I'm bringing this up. Who knows why? It does not go to Kenley? Lets not forget the route also serves Farleigh and Chelsham where no other TfL route goes. It goes behind Kenley Aerodrome
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Post by twobellstogo on Aug 17, 2014 11:19:29 GMT
I think I'd be considering other routes for TfL treatment over the 409. Maybe the 84, 402, 458, 614, 615.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 12:16:49 GMT
It does not go to Kenley? Lets not forget the route also serves Farleigh and Chelsham where no other TfL route goes. It goes behind Kenley Aerodrome And the point is what? It serves Salmons Lane Green behind the aerodrome which is actually located in Caterham. Not Kenley. Route 73 serves Tottenham Court Road but does not mean its in Tottenham does it?
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Post by YY13VKP on Aug 17, 2014 12:30:56 GMT
Hey there I wasn't sure if i was in the right place to post this but.... If you don't already know, there's this bus route called the 409, Its operated by Metrobus using 4 MPD's (287-289,344) one Scania double decker and a few Caetano Nimbuses. It runs from Caterham Station to Selsdon,via Warlingham (where TFL Route 403 starts) these are both in the TFL Zone. I've seen many people board that bus when I'm on it asking if Oyster Cards are accepted, which they are not. The route runs through many TFL zones like Caterham Station, Caterham on the hill, Whyteleafe Station,Kenley, Warlingham Green, Selsdon Library. These places are all within London Zone 6. I don't see why this is not a TFL route. Thats why I'm bringing this up. Who knows why? I wouldn't really call Caterham a TfL zone considering there are far more non London bus routes passing through the village compared to just the one TfL route, the 407. I'm surprised the 409 has MPD's and even more surprised it still has its one original Scania Omnicity DD from its days when it ran Croydon, Fairfield Halls to East Grinstead. Im quite surprised at that too, Metrobus should at least get some 10.2m Enviros or something like that
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 14:06:35 GMT
I am surprised the Kingston - Esher direct via Portsmouth Road isn't supported by TfL. In dreamland would be nice to see a TfL Bromley to Sevenoaks service ... But then again they support Westerham which is within Sevenoaks... ?
They do seem to choose certain areas over others. Herts only has the 107 & 292 , whereas Spelthorne has the 116,117,203,290,235
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Post by vjaska on Aug 17, 2014 14:23:15 GMT
I am surprised the Kingston - Esher direct via Portsmouth Road isn't supported by TfL. In dreamland would be nice to see a TfL Bromley to Sevenoaks service ... But then again they support Westerham which is within Sevenoaks... ? You have a point regarding no TfL route using Portsmouth Road especially as the K3 serves Esher via a rather more indirect route.
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Post by twobellstogo on Aug 17, 2014 14:28:03 GMT
I am surprised the Kingston - Esher direct via Portsmouth Road isn't supported by TfL. In dreamland would be nice to see a TfL Bromley to Sevenoaks service ... But then again they support Westerham which is within Sevenoaks... ? I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that the 402 may one day become a TfL route, even if only between Bromley and Sevenoaks, with beyond being passed to the fairly new 403.
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Post by twobellstogo on Aug 17, 2014 14:30:38 GMT
I am surprised the Kingston - Esher direct via Portsmouth Road isn't supported by TfL. In dreamland would be nice to see a TfL Bromley to Sevenoaks service ... But then again they support Westerham which is within Sevenoaks... ? You have a point regarding no TfL route using Portsmouth Road especially as the E3 serves Esher via a rather more indirect route. The 458 would fit nicely here. Though the romantic in me would renumber it 218 in TfL control
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Post by snoggle on Aug 17, 2014 14:41:54 GMT
I am surprised the Kingston - Esher direct via Portsmouth Road isn't supported by TfL. In dreamland would be nice to see a TfL Bromley to Sevenoaks service ... But then again they support Westerham which is within Sevenoaks... ? They do seem to choose certain areas over others. Herts only has the 107 & 292 , whereas Spelthorne has the 116,117,203,290,235 I suspect the problem with TfL supporting the Portsmouth Rd corridor is that it would cause the residual SCC services to curtail at Esher meaning that TfL would be lumbered with covering the 513, 514, 515 and 458/9 corridors not just the latter services. It's pretty clear from evidence all around London that commercial operators cannot compete with the TfL Oyster fare so they don't run services parallel to TfL routes if they can avoid it. I know Abellio Surrey offer an "Oyster Match" fare in boundary which is unusual and I wonder how it is funded. Perhaps it is commercially justified or perhaps there is some minimal subsidy from SCC? I believe Abellio have taken a number of Surrey routes commercial after the last series of bus reviews by the County Council. In more generous times for local authorities and TfL then better cross boundary services might have been possible but I think things will slowly worsen as councils are forced to dump services - Hertfordshire is next with evening and Sunday service subsidies going and that's in a county that has long been pretty favourable towards public transport.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 14:59:10 GMT
Well its odd that TfL support the K3 & 411 , plus the 406 418 & 467 but ignored Portsmouth Road. The 465 got a re-route to cover a piece of it , then the 465 itself all the way to Dorking TfL funded !
A new 218 could do Kingston - Walton On Thames. But as Snoggle says Abellio have put quite some investment into their surrey routes. How much profit they make I don't know ?
TfL chose the 405 over the 409...why i dont know. Croydon - Godstone would make sense. Weekend extension to the wonderful Godstone Farm would be popular
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