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Post by greenboy on Apr 8, 2020 21:14:45 GMT
I don't like how routes are tampered to serve Crossrail? Why is the government assuming this will be our main way of transportation? What about the people who have now got to change buses because of the changes to their local routes? Very silly. Tfl need to think differently. I can’t help but agree with you. A similar situation has happened with the 53, which was needlessly cut back to Waterloo pretty much, CrossRail will only effect Woolwich and Plumstead but because of this TfL decided to cut the the 53 meaning Charlton & Blackheath loose their West End link, not everyone will use CrossRail I don't think the 53 change was connected to Crossrail.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 8, 2020 21:24:15 GMT
I can’t help but agree with you. A similar situation has happened with the 53, which was needlessly cut back to Waterloo pretty much, CrossRail will only effect Woolwich and Plumstead but because of this TfL decided to cut the the 53 meaning Charlton & Blackheath loose their West End link, not everyone will use CrossRail I don't think the 53 change was connected to Crossrail. I too, heard it was Connected to Crossrail. It's silly. The 53 doesn't even end near Tottenham Court Road or the West End. The only people it would take on are 53 users who go to locations of work within a proximity of a Crossrail station who require changing buses either at Bricklayers or E&C.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 8, 2020 21:30:31 GMT
With how much TFL Rail is struggling in the peaks already with the 345s, I highly doubt it would improve with crossrail. This 25 cut has clearly put strain on the Central Line and TFL Rail.
And the 25 serves very low-income and poverty stricken areas in East London, and people can't afford to pay the extra £1.30 to take a TFL Rail over a bus. The Stratford to Ilford corridor gets incredibly busy, so there is clear demand for patronage on the 25 only for it to be cut, and the PVR to be dropped with the 425 being extended of which improves nothing because Clapton is not likely to anyone's appeal travelling from Ilford.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 21:46:17 GMT
With how much TFL Rail is struggling in the peaks already with the 345s, I highly doubt it would improve with crossrail. This 25 cut has clearly put strain on the Central Line and TFL Rail. And the 25 serves very low-income and poverty stricken areas in East London, and people can't afford to pay the extra £1.30 to take a TFL Rail over a bus. The Stratford to Ilford corridor gets incredibly busy, so there is clear demand for patronage on the 25 only for it to be cut, and the PVR to be dropped with the 425 being extended of which improves nothing because Clapton is not likely to anyone's appeal travelling from Ilford. The Stratford Ilford section is covered by the 425 at a slightly reduced frequency. You say passengers cant afford the TfL rail but clearly some have moved to this. I think the 25 cut was a mistake but it's long done and dusted now and not ever likely to return. If anything the 25 could be cut back further in the future.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 8, 2020 22:07:45 GMT
I would not be surprised if the 25s cut to Aldgate. Probably only stand space issues at Aldgate and the fact that TFL do need to run a service along Leadenhall Street is why it will probably survive.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 8, 2020 22:26:10 GMT
With how much TFL Rail is struggling in the peaks already with the 345s, I highly doubt it would improve with crossrail. This 25 cut has clearly put strain on the Central Line and TFL Rail. And the 25 serves very low-income and poverty stricken areas in East London, and people can't afford to pay the extra £1.30 to take a TFL Rail over a bus. The Stratford to Ilford corridor gets incredibly busy, so there is clear demand for patronage on the 25 only for it to be cut, and the PVR to be dropped with the 425 being extended of which improves nothing because Clapton is not likely to anyone's appeal travelling from Ilford. The Stratford Ilford section is covered by the 425 at a slightly reduced frequency. You say passengers cant afford the TfL rail but clearly some have moved to this. I think the 25 cut was a mistake but it's long done and dusted now and not ever likely to return. If anything the 25 could be cut back further in the future. But where does the 425 go that appeals to people living on the eastern leg of the route?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 8, 2020 22:28:51 GMT
With how much TFL Rail is struggling in the peaks already with the 345s, I highly doubt it would improve with crossrail. This 25 cut has clearly put strain on the Central Line and TFL Rail. And the 25 serves very low-income and poverty stricken areas in East London, and people can't afford to pay the extra £1.30 to take a TFL Rail over a bus. The Stratford to Ilford corridor gets incredibly busy, so there is clear demand for patronage on the 25 only for it to be cut, and the PVR to be dropped with the 425 being extended of which improves nothing because Clapton is not likely to anyone's appeal travelling from Ilford. The TfL rail isn't struggling in the peaks. There are still a few 315's on the route, the 345's hold more, plus the 345's are still in shortened 7 car mode. When it is Crossrail, it would be 9 car and a higher frequency.
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Post by beaver14uk on Apr 8, 2020 22:35:44 GMT
Wait and see The 180 change has not been dropped. uote author=" route53" source="/post/562412/thread" timestamp="1586357252"]So hopefully the proposed 180 changes have been quietly dropped since there’s been nothing on that for a while, but if not I have a few ideas: - As a compromise if there had to be a link between Erith & North Greenwich then this should be called the 480, it would replace the 180 east of Plumstead and also the 161 between Woolwich and NG,, it would add extra capacity between Woolwich and East Greenwich aiding the 177 & 180 routes. - The 180 will be cut back to Plumstead and keep its Lewisham terminal. - 129 extended to Camberwell aiding the 177. - 161 cut back to Woolwich as a CrossRail feeder, perhaps even extended to Bromley. Shame because it’s a silly change, its twenty years too late for a Erith to NG link, especially with CrossRail at Abbey Wood soon, the majority of Erith residents won’t be tracing across two boroughs to the Jubilee line when CrossRail is on their doorsteps, though a hypothetical 480 would serve many purposes[/quote]
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 8, 2020 23:14:01 GMT
It was a shame back in 1999 that the 99 didn't extended to North Greenwich to create the link.
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Post by route53 on Apr 8, 2020 23:21:44 GMT
Wait and see Shame because it’s a silly change, its twenty years too late for a Erith to NG link, especially with CrossRail at Abbey Wood soon, the majority of Erith residents won’t be tracing across two boroughs to the Jubilee line when CrossRail is on their doorsteps, though a hypothetical 480 would serve many purposes [/quote] Do you agree with the change?
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Post by route53 on Apr 8, 2020 23:42:34 GMT
It was a shame back in 1999 that the 99 didn't extended to North Greenwich to create the link. I never understood why this never happened, the 99 going to NG was i I thought an obvious step
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Post by vjaska on Apr 9, 2020 0:09:28 GMT
I don't think the 53 change was connected to Crossrail. I too, heard it was Connected to Crossrail. It's silly. The 53 doesn't even end near Tottenham Court Road or the West End. The only people it would take on are 53 users who go to locations of work within a proximity of a Crossrail station who require changing buses either at Bricklayers or E&C. AFAIK, wasn’t the 53 part of the Central London changes instead to make room for the 3’s cutback to Whitehall. Extending the 53 beyond Whitehall would of stretched reliability hence why it was cut back along with improvements to the Jubilee Line.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 9, 2020 5:37:29 GMT
I too, heard it was Connected to Crossrail. It's silly. The 53 doesn't even end near Tottenham Court Road or the West End. The only people it would take on are 53 users who go to locations of work within a proximity of a Crossrail station who require changing buses either at Bricklayers or E&C. AFAIK, wasn’t the 53 part of the Central London changes instead to make room for the 3’s cutback to Whitehall. Extending the 53 beyond Whitehall would of stretched reliability hence why it was cut back along with improvements to the Jubilee Line. Wasn't it because the 53 & 453 followed each other from Whitehall, Horse Guards to Deptford Bridge Station? I think the 53 is good to go to Lambeth Palace, and incredibly cheap as well. It could definitely attract patronage. However what would the destination be called? Lambeth Palace? Lambeth North?
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Post by busman on Apr 9, 2020 6:39:31 GMT
AFAIK, wasn’t the 53 part of the Central London changes instead to make room for the 3’s cutback to Whitehall. Extending the 53 beyond Whitehall would of stretched reliability hence why it was cut back along with improvements to the Jubilee Line. Wasn't it because the 53 & 453 followed each other from Whitehall, Horse Guards to Deptford Bridge Station? I think the 53 is good to go to Lambeth Palace, and incredibly cheap as well. It could definitely attract patronage. However what would the destination be called? Lambeth Palace? Lambeth North? Lambeth Palace would be the most sensible option. Technically the 53 already terminates at Lambeth North (Lambeth North Station) and the first stop is Lower Marsh. The County Hall blind really irritates me!
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Post by george on Apr 9, 2020 8:48:24 GMT
Wasn't it because the 53 & 453 followed each other from Whitehall, Horse Guards to Deptford Bridge Station? I think the 53 is good to go to Lambeth Palace, and incredibly cheap as well. It could definitely attract patronage. However what would the destination be called? Lambeth Palace? Lambeth North? Lambeth Palace would be the most sensible option. Technically the 53 already terminates at Lambeth North (Lambeth North Station) and the first stop is Lower Marsh. The County Hall blind really irritates me! A lot of 53 buses where parked up by Lambeth Palace last week when I went past.
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