FANTASY Bus extensions and routes that should be.

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Hello. This is my first thread in The Bus Forum. There is just some bus routes we want to go further and here are a few I want to go further in my area:


247 to Bexleyheath:
Barkingside
Fullwell Cross
Hainault
Hainault Forest
Marks Gate
Collier Row
Romford

Extension:

Rush Green
Becontree Heath
Dagenham Heathway
Chequers Corner
Ballards Road
South Hornchurch
Orchard Village
Marsh Way (CEME)
Belvedere Bridge
Erith
Northumberland Heath
Barnehurst
Bexleyheath (Broadway)

150 to Debden:

Becontree Heath
Becontree (Green Lane)
Goodmayes (Green Lane)
South Park
Ilford
Gants Hill
Barkingside
Fullwell Cross
Hainault
Chigwell Row

Extension:

Abridge
Chigwell (High Road)
Buckhurst Hill
Loughton
Debden

150 to Dagenham Dock:

Chigwell Row
Hainault
Fullwell Cross
Barkingside
Gants Hill
Ilford
South Park
Goodmayes (Green Lane)
Becontree (Green Lane)
Becontree Heath

Extension:

Dagenham Heathway
Chequers Corner
Dagenham Dock

238 to Dagenham East:

Stratford
West Ham Park
Upton Park
East Ham
Wallend
Barking
Faircross
Upney
Rippleside
Lodge Avenue
Andrews Corner
Martins Corner
Becontree
Dagenham Heathway
Oxlow Lane
Dagenham East

364 to Rainham:

Ilford
Goodmayes
Becontree (Green Lane)
Martins Corner
Parsloes Park
Dagenham Heathway
Dagenham East

Extension:

Newtons Corner
South Hornchurch
Rainham

275 to Romford:

St. James Street
Walthamstow Central
Hale End
Highams Park
Woodford Green
Woodford
Woodford Bridge
Fullwell Cross
Barkingside

Extension:

Gants Hill
Newbury Park
Aldborough Hatch
Little Heath
Marks Gate
Eastern Avenue
Romford Market
Romford
Romford The Brewery

EL1 & EL2 to Grange Hill

EL1:
Barking Reach

EL2:
Dagenham Dock

Thames View
Barking
Loxford
Ilford
Gants Hill
Barkingside
Fullwell Cross
Grange Hill

145 to Chingford Mount:

Dagenham ASDA
Chequers Corner
Ballards Road
Dagenham Heathway
Becontree
Martins Corner
Mayesbrook Park
Faircross
South Park
Ilford
Redbridge
Wanstead
Leytonstone

Extension:

Leyton
Bakers Arms
Walthamstow Central
Crooked Billet
South Chingford
Chingford Mount

115 to Dagenham (Parsloes Park):

Aldgate
Watney Market (For Shadwell)
Limehouse
All Saints
South Bromley
Canning Town
Balaam Street
Greengate
Boleyn
East Ham (Central Park)

Extension:

North Beckton
Creekmouth (River Road)
Rippleside
Chequers Corner
Dagenham Heathway
Dagenham (Parsloes Park)

287 to London City Airport:

Rainham (Abbey Wood Lane)
Chandlers Corner
Rainham
Beam Reach
Chequers Corner
Rippleside
Barking

Extension:

Northern Relief Road
North Circular Road
Beckton Sainsbury's
Gallions Reach Shopping Park
Gallions Reach
Beckton
North Woolwich
London City Airport

498 to North Greenwich

Brentwood (High Street)
Brook Street
Harold Park
Gallows Corner
Gidea Park
Romford

Extension:

Rush Green
Becontree Heath
Dagenham Heathway
Chequers Corner
Ballards Road
South Hornchurch
Orchard Village
Marsh Way (CEME)
Belvedere Bridge
Belvedere
Thamesmead South
Thamesmead
Thamesmead West
Plumstead
Woolwich
Woolwich (New Road)
Charlton
Greenwich Peninsula
North Greenwich

472 to Gallows Corner Tesco:

North Greenwich
Charlton
Woolwich (New Road)
Woolwich
Plumstead
Thamesmead West
Thamesmead
Thamesmead South
Belvedere
Belvedere Bridge
Beam Reach (CEME)
Orchard Village
South Hornchurch
Newtons Corner
Dagenham East
Becontree Heath
Rush Green
Queen's Hospital
Romford
Romford Market
Eastern Avenue
Collier Row
Chase Cross
Harold HIll
Gallows Corner
Gallows Corner Tesco

D1 (New) from Rainham (Abbey Wood Estate) to Dagenham Dock:

Abbey Wood Estate
Chandlers Corner
Rainham
CEME (Beam Reach)
Orchard Village
Stanley Road North
Newtons Corner
Leys Estate
Manor Road
Dagenham East
Dagenham Retail Park, Heath Centre and Sainsbury's (Coming Soon)
Oxlow Lane
Dagenham Heathway
Broad Street
Chequers Corner
Dagenham ASDA
Dagenham Leisure Park
Scrattons Farm
Dagenham Dock

EL3 from Grange Hill to London City Airport

Grange Hill
Fullwell Cross
Barkingside
Gants Hill
Ilford
Loxford
Barking
East Ham
Upton Park
Boleyn
Greengate
Newham General Hospital (Goes inside NGH then back on route)
Freemasons Rd
Custom House
Prince Regent
Royal Albert (Goes inside RA then back on route)
London City Airport

EL4 from Romford to Beckton Sainsbury's

Romford
Queens Hospital
Rush Green
Becontree Heath
Five Elms
Martins Corner
Parsloes Pk
Dagenham Heathway
Chequers Corner
Rippleside
River Rd
North Beckton
Beckton Retail Pk
Beckton
Gallions Reach
Gallions Reach Shopping Pk
Beckton Triangle Retail Pk
Beckton Sainsbury's

You got any others? Let me know by posting below. Thank you very much for reading my first thread.

Sincerely

 - Rockorange

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I am sorry to be critical in responding to a first posting but where is the justification for any of these links? Is Dagenham really so short of buses that it needs umpteen extra routes? Do you happen to live in or near Dagenham given the volume of extra routes proposed for that area?

We certainly do not need the 145 to be extended. That route already struggles badly with the impact of traffic congestion so making it vastly longer would just make it more complicated to run, difficult to schedule efficiently and make it much more likely to be delayed. Given the 257 is not jammed full north of Leytonstone nor are the 357 from Whipps Cross or the 215 to Chingford then I cannot see the point of yet more buses running across Leyton and Walthamstow. I would also caution that another 10-12 bph through Walthamstow Bus Station would run a risk of the place jamming up with all services being delayed.

I would also seriously question the merit of a bus from Grange Hill to London City Airport and of extending the EL1 and EL2 there. Many of the proposed stops parallel rail routes with very frequent services and with a one or two stop change to the DLR at Stratford / Canning Town where there are escalators and lifts for people flying. At off peak times the PAYG fare for the rail journey is only 5p more than a bus so rail represents very good value for money and would be faster. I certainly cannot see any need for more buses at Grange Hill - the 362 and 462 are hardly overwhelmed with passengers nor is the Central Line.

Judging by your avatar you appear to be the same Rockorange who has overloaded the District Dave RIPAS section with endless ideas for unjustified rail and tram routes. I think we all like to "play with crayons" but let's please be realistic about what is really needed in terms of rail, tram or bus routes in London. We have had hundreds and hundreds of ideas from posters on this group plus many threads about TfL plans past and present. It would be good to take a bit of time to look at the archives before overloading us with loads of extension ideas without any apparent justification.

[Eastlondoner62]

I don't think the 115 needs to go to Dagenham via Beckton,The 5 already goes to Dagenham and links the 115. I also don't think it'd be the best idea. Also I think it would probably be beneficial extending the 238 towards Bow rather than sending it further East.

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Sept 3, 2014 14:00:55 GMT snoggle said:

I am sorry to be critical in responding to a first posting but where is the justification for any of these links? Is Dagenham really so short of buses that it needs umpteen extra routes? Do you happen to live in or near Dagenham given the volume of extra routes proposed for that area?

We certainly do not need the 145 to be extended. That route already struggles badly with the impact of traffic congestion so making it vastly longer would just make it more complicated to run, difficult to schedule efficiently and make it much more likely to be delayed. Given the 257 is not jammed full north of Leytonstone nor are the 357 from Whipps Cross or the 215 to Chingford then I cannot see the point of yet more buses running across Leyton and Walthamstow. I would also caution that another 10-12 bph through Walthamstow Bus Station would run a risk of the place jamming up with all services being delayed.

I would also seriously question the merit of a bus from Grange Hill to London City Airport and of extending the EL1 and EL2 there. Many of the proposed stops parallel rail routes with very frequent services and with a one or two stop change to the DLR at Stratford / Canning Town where there are escalators and lifts for people flying. I certainly cannot see any need for more buses at Grange Hill - the 362 and 462 are hardly overwhelmed with passengers nor is the Central Line.

Judging by your avatar you appear to be the same Rockorange who has overloaded the District Dave RIPAS section with endless ideas for unjustified rail and tram routes. I think we all like to "play with crayons" but let's please be realistic about what is really needed in terms of rail, tram or bus routes in London. We have had hundreds and hundreds of ideas from posters on this group plus many threads about TfL plans past and present. It would be good to take a bit of time to look at the archives before overloading us with loads of extension ideas without any apparent justification.

Don't worry. Criticism is always welcome. In fact, it is asked for by me. Yes, I live in Dagenham and, I do admit, I have a bias towards the area but, the reason why I have lots of these buses in Dagenham is because most of the buses here are either to Romford or Ilford. Sure, we are not terrible with transport links, like... say... Ruislip, but we are not great either. Next time, I will try my best to avoid the area.

After having a think, I admit, the 145 extension is unnecessary. Same with the buses to Grange Hill.

Well, I believe I'm getting better at RIPAS. Not perfect, in fact far from perfect but, better.

Thank you for posting on this thread. Have you got any bus extensions?

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Sept 3, 2014 14:13:30 GMT Eastlondoner62 said:

I don't think the 115 needs to go to Dagenham via Beckton,The 5 already goes to Dagenham and links the 115. I also don't think it'd be the best idea. Also I think it would probably be beneficial extending the 238 towards Bow rather than sending it further East.

Well, I think the 115 should, instead, terminate at Barking. I now think that Dagenham is too far. As for the 238, I'm behind this. I'd rather go east. There are already buses that go to Bow from Stratford but, there are no buses from Dagenham to Stratford. Also, correction, the 5 does not go to Dagenham. It goes to Becontree Heath but, close enough. 

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For the people in South London who want to go to Birmingham, that would be EXTREMELY useful. Or, should I say, EUSFUL! I'm so sorry, that just slipped out of the darkest chambers of my mind.

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166 to Chessington via. Leatherhead and making the bits beyond Banstead more frequent and run at nights.

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Well, If Gallows Corner is too far and Romford is too short, I guess that Collier Row is just right. For the 166, the reason I wanted to take it there is so families in Croydon and Epsom could get to World of Adventures all in one bus. At least, I think the section beyond Banstead should get more services.

[ServerKing]

Sept 3, 2014 15:05:59 GMT I-Azusio-I said:

Sept 3, 2014 15:02:24 GMT @rockorange said:

166 to Chessington via. Leatherhead and making the bits beyond Banstead more frequent and run at nights.

That is too far. Why would 166 be needed to go all the way there?

472 to Gallows Corner is also too far.

Oh dear. This Fantasy thread isn't off to a great start, if we are already bickering about extending or curtailing hypothetical routes

235 to Wood Green via Ealing Common, Hangar Lane, Brent Cross, Colney Hatch Lane and Muswell Hill please, and let's see how Arriva look after the route with StreetDecks from Heathrow or a shared base with Metroline at Brentford

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To be honest, I think Wood Green is too far. Brent Cross is probably as far as you could go with the 235 so, I think that is where it should end.

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People, I did not name this FANTASY Bus extensions and routes that should be. RM5chris renamed it too that. Quick message to him. Can you please get rid of the "that should be" part of the title? Also, any one who wants to change the title of a thread of mine, can they please consult me first? Thank you.

[twobellstogo]

Do we really need another general bus route extension thread? :/

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Sept 3, 2014 15:02:24 GMT @rockorange said:

166 to Chessington via. Leatherhead and making the bits beyond Banstead more frequent and run at nights.

Good idea, but direct via Horton Country Park would be easier and open new links. Maybe a extrension to Leatherhead via Ashstead would be good

[RM5chris]

Sept 3, 2014 15:53:15 GMT twobellstogo said:

Do we really need another general bus route extension thread? :/

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I made the edit to the title of the thread to make it clear that the postings were 'Fantasy/what I would like to see' etc - members can then decide if they wish to read and contribute or ignore.

With regards to whether we need another such thread we will see - I note this member is active elsewhere with lots of posts so if it gets 'out of hand' this thread and any others contributed too will be locked and/or edited.


RM5Chris
TBF Moderation Team

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Sept 3, 2014 14:18:29 GMT @rockorange said:

Don't worry. Criticism is always welcome. In fact, it is asked for by me. Yes, I live in Dagenham and, I do admit, I have a bias towards the area but, the reason why I have lots of these buses in Dagenham is because most of the buses here are either to Romford or Ilford. Sure, we are not terrible with transport links, like... say... Ruislip, but we are not great either. Next time, I will try my best to avoid the area.

After having a think, I admit, the 145 extension is unnecessary. Same with the buses to Grange Hill.

Well, I believe I'm getting better at RIPAS. Not perfect, in fact far from perfect but, better.

Thank you for posting on this thread. Have you got any bus extensions?

I am not worried - I'm old and ugly and can take criticism. I am more concerned that we do not get bogged down in discussing things that will never happen.

I am a bit boring and like to understand *why* an extension or rerouting might be needed. Understanding justification and logic in proposals is what helps my brain work. Just doodling lines all over a map to connect places doesn't work if there is no basis for the proposal.

There may very well be good reasons for changes to bus routes that you have spotted so let's understand what the problems are and what the possible solutions are.

I have shared lots of ideas over many months. It would be unfair to people on the group to repeat them all again. They can be read in the archives / past threads.