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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 9, 2020 9:01:28 GMT
Wasn't it because the 53 & 453 followed each other from Whitehall, Horse Guards to Deptford Bridge Station? I think the 53 is good to go to Lambeth Palace, and incredibly cheap as well. It could definitely attract patronage. However what would the destination be called? Lambeth Palace? Lambeth North? Lambeth Palace would be the most sensible option. Technically the 53 already terminates at Lambeth North (Lambeth North Station) and the first stop is Lower Marsh. The County Hall blind really irritates me! It's last stops are in both directions, Lower Marsh. Hence the County Hall blinds and stands. Shouldn't the 76 and 381 both have County Hall blinds?
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 9, 2020 9:32:36 GMT
I thought the 76 at one point had Waterloo, County Hall.
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Post by COBO on Apr 9, 2020 16:27:17 GMT
These changes are to improve the links in the Perivale / Alperton area.
7: withdrawn between Marble Arch and Oxford Circus. Withdrawn between Du Cane Road and Brunel Road. Diverted to Alperton Sainsbury’s via route 70 to Acton High Street, Steyne Road, Horn Lane, Acton Mainline Station, Western Avenue, Park Royal Station, Hanger Lane Station, Hanger Lane, Ealing Road and Glacier Way. The purpose of this is to link Alperton with Acton and Central London. Due to the lack of stand space at Alperton Sainsbury’s buses will stand in the garage.
31: extended from White City to Perivale via Ariel Way, Wood Lane, route 95 to Perivale, Argyle Road and route 297 to Perivale Station. To link Perivale with Camden and Kilburn.
79: withdrawn between Wembley and Alperton Sainsbury’s. To reduce the routes on Ealing Road.
90: extension from Northolt to Perivale via Mandeville Road, Pett’s Hill, Whitton Avenue West, Greenford Road, Westway Cross, Greenford Roundabout, South Greenford Station, Argyle Road, Teignmouth Gardens and Horsenden Lane South. To link Perivale with Hayes and Feltham.
120: withdrawn between Lady Margaret Road and Northolt. Diverted to Perivale via Ruislip Road, Greenford Broadway, Ruislip Road East, Argyle Road and route 297 to Perivale. To link Perivale with Hounslow.
204: extended from Sudbury Town to Alperton Sainsbury’s via Station Approach, Bridgewater Road and route 245 to Alperton Sainsbury’s. Rerouted between Bridgewater Road / Harrow Road and Wembley Central via Ranelagh Road and Chaplin Road. To maintain links lost by the 79 and to link Bridgewater Road and Chaplin Road with Sudbury Town and Wembley Central Stations.
H32: extended from Southall Town Hall to Northolt via route 120. To maintain links lost by the 120.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 10, 2020 12:35:49 GMT
Some South London Changes:
Route 132: 24 houred every night.
Route 321: Night service discontinued.
Route N21: Withdrawn between Eltham High Street & Bexleyheath and rerouted to Foots Cray via Route 321.
Route N89: Rerouted around Slade Green Station to serve Forest Road (the way route 99 goes) when entering Slade Green to Erith and when exiting Slade Green towards Trafalgar Square.
Thoughts?
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 10, 2020 14:10:54 GMT
I think the N21 and 132 changes are very sensible as now there is both routes at weekends it's lightly over kill and Bexleyheath does already have a night service to Lewisham and Bexleyheath (N89) whereas the Sidcup doesn't have a central link anymore.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 10, 2020 15:44:39 GMT
I think the N21 and 132 changes are very sensible as now there is both routes at weekends it's lightly over kill and Bexleyheath does already have a night service to Lewisham and Bexleyheath (N89) whereas the Sidcup doesn't have a central link anymore. But I do wonder if there is demand to Foots Cray other than just Sidcup. Could someone confirm how busy the N321 gets?
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 10, 2020 16:56:05 GMT
Am I right in think a night service was proposed on the 51 at one point and I think the N21 was going to divert with the 321 routing to Foots Cray.
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Post by COBO on Apr 11, 2020 5:31:52 GMT
23: withdrawn between Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury’s and Westbourne Park. Diverted to Wembley Central via Ladbroke Grove, Harrow Road, route 18 to Harlesden, route 206 to Brent Park Tesco’s and route 92 to Wembley Central. Rerouted between Paddington and Marble Arch via route 46 to Lancaster Gate and Bayswater Road. To maintain links lost by the 92, to assist the 18 and create new links between Wembley and Central London. 92: withdrawn between Greenford Broadway and Ealing Hospital. Withdrawn between Empire Way and St Raphael’s North. Diverted to Brent Cross via route 182. To maintain links lost by the 182 and to link Greenford with Brent Cross. 182: withdrawn between Northwick Park Hospital and Brent Cross. Diverted to Willesden Junction via Watford Road, Kenton Road, route 183 to Kingsbury Circle, Honeypot Lane, route 79 to Queensbury Station, route 114 to Stag Lane, Burnt Oak Broadway, route 32 to Staples Corner, North Circular Road, Coles Green Road, Crest Road, Tanfield Avenue, Neasden, Neasden Lane, Neasden Station, High Road, route 266 to Willesden Junction and Station Approach. To assist the 183 and to link Harlesden with West Hendon, Colindale, Queensbury, Neasden, Kenton, Northwick Park Hospital, Harrow and Wealdstone. 183: rerouted between Hendon Station and Golders Green Road via route 83 to Hendon Central Station, Hendon Way, route 186 to Brent Cross Shopping Centre and route 210 to Golders Green Road. To provide a direct link between Harrow and Brent Cross. 210: withdrawn between Golders Green Road and Brent Cross. Rerouted to Colindale Asda via route 183 to West Hendon Broadway, Edgware Road and Capitol Way. To maintain links lost by route 183 and to link Colindale with Golders Green, Archway and Finsbury Park. 218: extended from North Acton to Wembley Stadium via route 440 to Wembley Stadium. Withdrawn between Acton and Hammersmith. Diverted to Turnham Green via route 440 to Turnham Green. Renumbered 440. To link West Acton with Wembley Stadium, Stonebridge Park, Central Middlesex Hospital and Turnham Green. 392: new route running between Ealing Broadway and Harrow via The Broadway, route 483 to Ealing Hospital, route 92 to Sudbury Hill, Greenford Road, Harrow Road, Sudbury Court Drive, Watford Road and route 483 to Harrow. To maintain links lost by the 92 and to provide a direct link between Harrow and Ealing. 440: withdrawn between Acton and Turnham Green. Diverted to Hammersmith via route 218 to Hammersmith. Rerouted between North Acton and Central Middlesex Hospital via route 266 to Willesden Junction and route 228 to Central Middlesex Hospital. Withdrawn between Harrow Road and Wembley Stadium. Diverted to Harrow via route 18 to Sudbury and route 182 to Harrow. Renumbered 218 and converted to double deck. To link Harrow and Wembley with Acton and Hammersmith. H14: extended from Northwick Park Hospital to Neasden via route 483 to North Wembley and 245 to Neasden. To maintain links lost by 182.
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Post by londonboy71 on Apr 11, 2020 14:55:33 GMT
Theres already a direct link from Ealing to Harrow 483
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Post by COBO on Apr 11, 2020 15:55:09 GMT
Theres already a direct link from Ealing to Harrow 483 But the 392 will be more direct.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 11, 2020 16:12:54 GMT
23: withdrawn between Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury’s and Westbourne Park. Diverted to Wembley Central via Ladbroke Grove, Harrow Road, route 18 to Harlesden, route 206 to Brent Park Tesco’s and route 92 to Wembley Central. Rerouted between Paddington and Marble Arch via route 46 to Lancaster Gate and Bayswater Road. To maintain links lost by the 92, to assist the 18 and create new links between Wembley and Central London. 92: withdrawn between Greenford Broadway and Ealing Hospital. Withdrawn between Empire Way and St Raphael’s North. Diverted to Brent Cross via route 182. To maintain links lost by the 182 and to link Greenford with Brent Cross. 182: withdrawn between Northwick Park Hospital and Brent Cross. Diverted to Willesden Junction via Watford Road, Kenton Road, route 183 to Kingsbury Circle, Honeypot Lane, route 79 to Queensbury Station, route 114 to Stag Lane, Burnt Oak Broadway, route 32 to Staples Corner, North Circular Road, Coles Green Road, Crest Road, Tanfield Avenue, Neasden, Neasden Lane, Neasden Station, High Road, route 266 to Willesden Junction and Station Approach. To assist the 183 and to link Harlesden with West Hendon, Colindale, Queensbury, Neasden, Kenton, Northwick Park Hospital, Harrow and Wealdstone. 183: rerouted between Hendon Station and Golders Green Road via route 83 to Hendon Central Station, Hendon Way, route 186 to Brent Cross Shopping Centre and route 210 to Golders Green Road. To provide a direct link between Harrow and Brent Cross. 210: withdrawn between Golders Green Road and Brent Cross. Rerouted to Colindale Asda via route 183 to West Hendon Broadway, Edgware Road and Capitol Way. To maintain links lost by route 183 and to link Colindale with Golders Green, Archway and Finsbury Park. 218: extended from North Acton to Wembley Stadium via route 440 to Wembley Stadium. Withdrawn between Acton and Hammersmith. Diverted to Turnham Green via route 440 to Turnham Green. Renumbered 440. To link West Acton with Wembley Stadium, Stonebridge Park, Central Middlesex Hospital and Turnham Green. 392: new route running between Ealing Broadway and Harrow via The Broadway, route 483 to Ealing Hospital, route 92 to Sudbury Hill, Greenford Road, Harrow Road, Sudbury Court Drive, Watford Road and route 483 to Harrow. To maintain links lost by the 92 and to provide a direct link between Harrow and Ealing. 440: withdrawn between Acton and Turnham Green. Diverted to Hammersmith via route 218 to Hammersmith. Rerouted between North Acton and Central Middlesex Hospital via route 266 to Willesden Junction and route 228 to Central Middlesex Hospital. Withdrawn between Harrow Road and Wembley Stadium. Diverted to Harrow via route 18 to Sudbury and route 182 to Harrow. Renumbered 218 and converted to double deck. To link Harrow and Wembley with Acton and Hammersmith. H14: extended from Northwick Park Hospital to Neasden via route 483 to North Wembley and 245 to Neasden. To maintain links lost by 182. I don't think the 23 would work at Lancaster Gate purely due to the lack of links it would create. I'd much rather it started on Marble Arch, North Row where the proposed 94 stands were to give a remote link to the West End. The 332 would be a better candidate to go to Lancaster Gate because of the links created, and I'd send it through St Mary's Hospital in both directions instead of via Bishops Bridge. Adding onto the 23, the 440 should be withdrew between Wembley Stadium and Stonebridge Park, with the 23 going via route 18 to Wembley Stadium, 182 to Wembley Arena and then down Fulton Road and stand on Rutherford Way with the return towards Marble Arch using Engineers Way. The 206 would be sent away from Rutherford Way, and routed via Fulton Road instead of Rutherford Way & Engineers Way in both directions. If you wanted the 218 to go to Wembley Stadium or wherever, I would first swap the 218 & 440 routings in Acton. Then I'd send it up the 266 to Harlesden and then the 206 to the junction with First Way in Wembley Stadium, send it down South Way, then route 83 to Wembley Central with the route gaining the 23s DNHs.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 11, 2020 16:15:14 GMT
Route 436: Withdrawn between Battersea Park & Vauxhall and rerouted to Whitehall, Horse Guards via Route 77 to County Hall and route 453 to Whitehall.
New links created:
Giving Lewisham a link to the west end.
Connects New Cross to Trafalgar Square, Westminster and Lambeth Bridge.
Gives Lambeth Palace a link to near Trafalgar Square.
I think this would be a better option than Battersea Park and could bring patronage.
Thoughts?
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Post by rif153 on Apr 11, 2020 19:13:35 GMT
23: withdrawn between Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury’s and Westbourne Park. Diverted to Wembley Central via Ladbroke Grove, Harrow Road, route 18 to Harlesden, route 206 to Brent Park Tesco’s and route 92 to Wembley Central. Rerouted between Paddington and Marble Arch via route 46 to Lancaster Gate and Bayswater Road. To maintain links lost by the 92, to assist the 18 and create new links between Wembley and Central London. 92: withdrawn between Greenford Broadway and Ealing Hospital. Withdrawn between Empire Way and St Raphael’s North. Diverted to Brent Cross via route 182. To maintain links lost by the 182 and to link Greenford with Brent Cross. 182: withdrawn between Northwick Park Hospital and Brent Cross. Diverted to Willesden Junction via Watford Road, Kenton Road, route 183 to Kingsbury Circle, Honeypot Lane, route 79 to Queensbury Station, route 114 to Stag Lane, Burnt Oak Broadway, route 32 to Staples Corner, North Circular Road, Coles Green Road, Crest Road, Tanfield Avenue, Neasden, Neasden Lane, Neasden Station, High Road, route 266 to Willesden Junction and Station Approach. To assist the 183 and to link Harlesden with West Hendon, Colindale, Queensbury, Neasden, Kenton, Northwick Park Hospital, Harrow and Wealdstone. 183: rerouted between Hendon Station and Golders Green Road via route 83 to Hendon Central Station, Hendon Way, route 186 to Brent Cross Shopping Centre and route 210 to Golders Green Road. To provide a direct link between Harrow and Brent Cross. 210: withdrawn between Golders Green Road and Brent Cross. Rerouted to Colindale Asda via route 183 to West Hendon Broadway, Edgware Road and Capitol Way. To maintain links lost by route 183 and to link Colindale with Golders Green, Archway and Finsbury Park. 218: extended from North Acton to Wembley Stadium via route 440 to Wembley Stadium. Withdrawn between Acton and Hammersmith. Diverted to Turnham Green via route 440 to Turnham Green. Renumbered 440. To link West Acton with Wembley Stadium, Stonebridge Park, Central Middlesex Hospital and Turnham Green. 392: new route running between Ealing Broadway and Harrow via The Broadway, route 483 to Ealing Hospital, route 92 to Sudbury Hill, Greenford Road, Harrow Road, Sudbury Court Drive, Watford Road and route 483 to Harrow. To maintain links lost by the 92 and to provide a direct link between Harrow and Ealing. 440: withdrawn between Acton and Turnham Green. Diverted to Hammersmith via route 218 to Hammersmith. Rerouted between North Acton and Central Middlesex Hospital via route 266 to Willesden Junction and route 228 to Central Middlesex Hospital. Withdrawn between Harrow Road and Wembley Stadium. Diverted to Harrow via route 18 to Sudbury and route 182 to Harrow. Renumbered 218 and converted to double deck. To link Harrow and Wembley with Acton and Hammersmith. H14: extended from Northwick Park Hospital to Neasden via route 483 to North Wembley and 245 to Neasden. To maintain links lost by 182. I don't think the 23 would work at Lancaster Gate purely due to the lack of links it would create. I'd much rather it started on Marble Arch, North Row where the proposed 94 stands were to give a remote link to the West End. The 332 would be a better candidate to go to Lancaster Gate because of the links created, and I'd send it through St Mary's Hospital in both directions instead of via Bishops Bridge. Adding onto the 23, the 440 should be withdrew between Wembley Stadium and Stonebridge Park, with the 23 going via route 18 to Wembley Stadium, 182 to Wembley Arena and then down Fulton Road and stand on Rutherford Way with the return towards Marble Arch using Engineers Way. The 206 would be sent away from Rutherford Way, and routed via Fulton Road instead of Rutherford Way & Engineers Way in both directions. If you wanted the 218 to go to Wembley Stadium or wherever, I would first swap the 218 & 440 routings in Acton. Then I'd send it up the 266 to Harlesden and then the 206 to the junction with First Way in Wembley Stadium, send it down South Way, then route 83 to Wembley Central with the route gaining the 23s DNHs. I fully agree with you about the 218 and 440, it makes far more sense to have a double decker route from Hammersmith to Wembley going via the current 218 routing between Hammersmith and Acton, the 266 routing between Acton and North Acton and the 440 routing between North Acton and Wembley, meanwhile the route via West Acton should just be a Turnham Green-Central Middlesex Hospital route.
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Post by COBO on Apr 11, 2020 19:30:35 GMT
23: withdrawn between Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury’s and Westbourne Park. Diverted to Wembley Central via Ladbroke Grove, Harrow Road, route 18 to Harlesden, route 206 to Brent Park Tesco’s and route 92 to Wembley Central. Rerouted between Paddington and Marble Arch via route 46 to Lancaster Gate and Bayswater Road. To maintain links lost by the 92, to assist the 18 and create new links between Wembley and Central London. 92: withdrawn between Greenford Broadway and Ealing Hospital. Withdrawn between Empire Way and St Raphael’s North. Diverted to Brent Cross via route 182. To maintain links lost by the 182 and to link Greenford with Brent Cross. 182: withdrawn between Northwick Park Hospital and Brent Cross. Diverted to Willesden Junction via Watford Road, Kenton Road, route 183 to Kingsbury Circle, Honeypot Lane, route 79 to Queensbury Station, route 114 to Stag Lane, Burnt Oak Broadway, route 32 to Staples Corner, North Circular Road, Coles Green Road, Crest Road, Tanfield Avenue, Neasden, Neasden Lane, Neasden Station, High Road, route 266 to Willesden Junction and Station Approach. To assist the 183 and to link Harlesden with West Hendon, Colindale, Queensbury, Neasden, Kenton, Northwick Park Hospital, Harrow and Wealdstone. 183: rerouted between Hendon Station and Golders Green Road via route 83 to Hendon Central Station, Hendon Way, route 186 to Brent Cross Shopping Centre and route 210 to Golders Green Road. To provide a direct link between Harrow and Brent Cross. 210: withdrawn between Golders Green Road and Brent Cross. Rerouted to Colindale Asda via route 183 to West Hendon Broadway, Edgware Road and Capitol Way. To maintain links lost by route 183 and to link Colindale with Golders Green, Archway and Finsbury Park. 218: extended from North Acton to Wembley Stadium via route 440 to Wembley Stadium. Withdrawn between Acton and Hammersmith. Diverted to Turnham Green via route 440 to Turnham Green. Renumbered 440. To link West Acton with Wembley Stadium, Stonebridge Park, Central Middlesex Hospital and Turnham Green. 392: new route running between Ealing Broadway and Harrow via The Broadway, route 483 to Ealing Hospital, route 92 to Sudbury Hill, Greenford Road, Harrow Road, Sudbury Court Drive, Watford Road and route 483 to Harrow. To maintain links lost by the 92 and to provide a direct link between Harrow and Ealing. 440: withdrawn between Acton and Turnham Green. Diverted to Hammersmith via route 218 to Hammersmith. Rerouted between North Acton and Central Middlesex Hospital via route 266 to Willesden Junction and route 228 to Central Middlesex Hospital. Withdrawn between Harrow Road and Wembley Stadium. Diverted to Harrow via route 18 to Sudbury and route 182 to Harrow. Renumbered 218 and converted to double deck. To link Harrow and Wembley with Acton and Hammersmith. H14: extended from Northwick Park Hospital to Neasden via route 483 to North Wembley and 245 to Neasden. To maintain links lost by 182. I don't think the 23 would work at Lancaster Gate purely due to the lack of links it would create. I'd much rather it started on Marble Arch, North Row where the proposed 94 stands were to give a remote link to the West End. The 332 would be a better candidate to go to Lancaster Gate because of the links created, and I'd send it through St Mary's Hospital in both directions instead of via Bishops Bridge. Adding onto the 23, the 440 should be withdrew between Wembley Stadium and Stonebridge Park, with the 23 going via route 18 to Wembley Stadium, 182 to Wembley Arena and then down Fulton Road and stand on Rutherford Way with the return towards Marble Arch using Engineers Way. The 206 would be sent away from Rutherford Way, and routed via Fulton Road instead of Rutherford Way & Engineers Way in both directions. If you wanted the 218 to go to Wembley Stadium or wherever, I would first swap the 218 & 440 routings in Acton. Then I'd send it up the 266 to Harlesden and then the 206 to the junction with First Way in Wembley Stadium, send it down South Way, then route 83 to Wembley Central with the route gaining the 23s DNHs. I proposed rerouting the 23 via Lancaster Gate was to reduce the amount of routes on Edgware Road.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 11, 2020 20:19:25 GMT
I don't think the 23 would work at Lancaster Gate purely due to the lack of links it would create. I'd much rather it started on Marble Arch, North Row where the proposed 94 stands were to give a remote link to the West End. The 332 would be a better candidate to go to Lancaster Gate because of the links created, and I'd send it through St Mary's Hospital in both directions instead of via Bishops Bridge. Adding onto the 23, the 440 should be withdrew between Wembley Stadium and Stonebridge Park, with the 23 going via route 18 to Wembley Stadium, 182 to Wembley Arena and then down Fulton Road and stand on Rutherford Way with the return towards Marble Arch using Engineers Way. The 206 would be sent away from Rutherford Way, and routed via Fulton Road instead of Rutherford Way & Engineers Way in both directions. If you wanted the 218 to go to Wembley Stadium or wherever, I would first swap the 218 & 440 routings in Acton. Then I'd send it up the 266 to Harlesden and then the 206 to the junction with First Way in Wembley Stadium, send it down South Way, then route 83 to Wembley Central with the route gaining the 23s DNHs. I fully agree with you about the 218 and 440, it makes far more sense to have a double decker route from Hammersmith to Wembley going via the current 218 routing between Hammersmith and Acton, the 266 routing between Acton and North Acton and the 440 routing between North Acton and Wembley, meanwhile the route via West Acton should just be a Turnham Green-Central Middlesex Hospital route. The 218 isn't going via the 440, that's where the 23 is going. The 218 is going via the 206 & 83. The 440 should stay at Stonebridge Park. And if residents were wanting, route 440 could be withdrawn between Sutton Lane North and Turnham Green Church, rerouted via the 272 to Fishers Lane, sent up Fishers Lane and terminating in Acton Green on the 94 stands, the 94 could be extended to Turnham Green Church and give Chiswick Park Station a bus route. Or the 440 is withdrawn between Sutton Lane North and Turnham Green Church and extended to Acton Green via Chiswick Park Station, meaning that local residents have a bus route to Westfield & Central London that is interchangeable at Chiswick Park Station, the tube, the link to Chiswick High Road and the massive Sainsbury's. This is a much better idea than what is currently advertised by Sadiq. Also, the 94 would serve the 440s old stop if extended and the 440 would terminate on the 94s old stands. Question would be if Acton Green would be a curtail Destination for the 94. And if both the 94 & 440 were serving Chiswick Park Station, for residents on Bollo Lane who were affected by the slicing of the 440, would be close to both routes either at the Chiswick Business Park end of Bollo Lane or Chiswick Park Station end of Bollo Lane.
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