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Post by CircleLineofLife on Apr 13, 2021 17:56:01 GMT
Another route I made, a Cross NW could call it the 82 starting at willesden ending at Kings cross It may be a bit long, at almost 12 miles, however, there is room to cut the route in some places to make it more direct. Or you could cut from Kings Cross to Euston or Camden Town. This will provide many links across NW London. Willesden bus garage Neasden station Neasden Underpass NCR Staples Corner Brent Cross Shopping centre Brent Cross station Golders Green Hampstead Royal Free Hospital/Hampstead Heath station Gospel Oak Kentish Town Camden town Mornington Cresent Euston Kings Cross If it is too long could curtail at Euston, Warren street, or Camden Attachment Deleted
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Post by wirewiper on Apr 13, 2021 18:17:33 GMT
Another route I made, a Cross NW could call it the 82 starting at willesden ending at Kings cross It may be a bit long, at almost 12 miles, however, there is room to cut the route in some places to make it more direct. Or you could cut from Kings Cross to Euston or Camden Town. This will provide many links across NW London. Willesden bus garage Neasden station Neasden Underpass NCR Staples Corner Brent Cross Shopping centre Brent Cross station Golders Green Hampstead Royal Free Hospital/Hampstead Heath station Gospel Oak Kentish Town Camden town Mornington Cresent Euston Kings Cross If it is too long could curtail at Euston, Warren street, or Camden View AttachmentOne comment: it would need to be single deck due to the low bridge in Gordon House Road (Gospel Oak Station), maybe you could tweak it in that area.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 13, 2021 18:50:18 GMT
Another route I made, a Cross NW could call it the 82 starting at willesden ending at Kings cross It may be a bit long, at almost 12 miles, however, there is room to cut the route in some places to make it more direct. Or you could cut from Kings Cross to Euston or Camden Town. This will provide many links across NW London. Willesden bus garage Neasden station Neasden Underpass NCR Staples Corner Brent Cross Shopping centre Brent Cross station Golders Green Hampstead Royal Free Hospital/Hampstead Heath station Gospel Oak Kentish Town Camden town Mornington Cresent Euston Kings Cross If it is too long could curtail at Euston, Warren street, or Camden View AttachmentReliability would be a problem
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Post by elcesteem16 on Apr 15, 2021 16:48:00 GMT
An extension I've recently come into discussion about is the 225's plan to be extended to Bellingham back in 2017. It would be great if the plans came back into light and maybe an alteration for the route to be extended into Downham (terminating at the McDonalds). Here is a link to what was proposed. councilmeetings.lewisham.gov.uk/documents/s52340/Downham%20Note.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3e8DzicmgnUmo0xlMamvXKF1ymy9uPfaeh6abOLktaWji1AE6ithxDKAUI personally think this could really benefit a lot of people. It would give people who live in Bellingham a direct link into Hither Green rather than getting a bus into Catford and changing onto a 181. It would also give the residential streets an additional route in addition to the 124. At the moment the 124 is the only route to serve Hazelbank Road. However, it only serves a short part section west of where it turns from Torridon Primary and there is no direct link from the top of the road there into the local shops right at the bottom of the hill (which may I add from spending my whole life living here takes about 20-30 mins to walk down and usually feels like the road is getting longer and longer each time you do it).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 12:07:19 GMT
Thought of creating an inner west to inner north London route via central London: Earl's Court Tesco - Camden Town
Earl's Court Gloucester Road South Kensington Knightsbridge Hyde Park Corner Marble Arch Bond Street Oxford Circus Great Portland Street Warren Street Euston Mornington Crescent Camden Town
The route would broadly follow the 74 between Earl's Court and Marble Arch so I think it should be numbered 374. There will be no changes to the 74
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Post by COBO on Apr 20, 2021 2:41:02 GMT
18: withdrawn between Wembley Triangle and Sudbury. Diverted to Wembley Stadium via route 440 to Wembley Stadium. 204: withdrawn between Harrow Road and Sudbury Town. Diverted to Westway Cross via route 92 to Greenford Station and 395 to Westway Cross. 218: withdrawn between Askew Road and North Acton. Diverted to Central Middlesex Hospital via Old Oak Road and route 228 to Central Middlesex Hospital. To link Park Royal with Hammersmith. 226: rerouted between Ealing Broadway and Hanger Lane via route 483 to Ealing Broadway and rerouted between Central Middlesex Hospital and Hanger Lane via route 487 to Hanger Lane. Converted to Double deck. To link Ealing with Park Royal leisure complex. 228: withdrawn between Uxbridge Road and Central Middlesex Hospital. Diverted to Acton Vale via Uxbridge Road. 283: extended from East Acton to Ealing Broadway via route 228 to Central Middlesex Hospital and route 226 to Ealing Broadway. To maintain links lost by the 226 and 228. To also link Central Middlesex Hospital with Hammersmith and Charing Cross Hospitals. 306: extended from Acton Vale to North Acton via route 218 to Acton and 266 to North Acton. To maintain links lost by route 218. 440: rerouted between Gypsy Corner and Acton via route 218. Withdrawn between Wembley Triangle and Wembley Stadium. Diverted to Sudbury via route 18 to Sudbury. Linking Sudbury and Wembley Central with Acton and Central Middlesex Hospital. E8: extended from Ealing Broadway to Old Oak Common Station via Madeley Avenue, North Ealing, North Circular Road, Hanger Lane, Uxbridge Road, Ealing Common Station, Twyford Avenue, Noel Road, West Acton Station, Horn Lane, Gypsy Corner, North Acton, Western Avenue, Savoy Circus, Old Oak Common Lane and East Acton. To link Old Oak Common with Hounslow and Brentford. H12: extended from South Harrow to Sudbury Town via 258 to Roxeth Hill, London Road, Sudbury Hill, Clementine Churchill Hospital, Harrow Road, route 92 to Sudbury, Bridgewater Road and route 204 to Sudbury Town. To link Sudbury with South Harrow. X18: new route running between Harrow and Euston via route 182 to Wembley and route 18 to Euston. To assist the 18 and 182.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 13:32:37 GMT
18: withdrawn between Wembley Triangle and Sudbury. Diverted to Wembley Stadium via route 440 to Wembley Stadium. 204: withdrawn between Harrow Road and Sudbury Town. Diverted to Westway Cross via route 92 to Greenford Station and 395 to Westway Cross. 218: withdrawn between Askew Road and North Acton. Diverted to Central Middlesex Hospital via Old Oak Road and route 228 to Central Middlesex Hospital. To link Park Royal with Hammersmith. 226: rerouted between Ealing Broadway and Hanger Lane via route 483 to Ealing Broadway and rerouted between Central Middlesex Hospital and Hanger Lane via route 487 to Hanger Lane. Converted to Double deck. To link Ealing with Park Royal leisure complex. 228: withdrawn between Uxbridge Road and Central Middlesex Hospital. Diverted to Acton Vale via Uxbridge Road. 283: extended from East Acton to Ealing Broadway via route 228 to Central Middlesex Hospital and route 226 to Ealing Broadway. To maintain links lost by the 226 and 228. To also link Central Middlesex Hospital with Hammersmith and Charing Cross Hospitals. 306: extended from Acton Vale to North Acton via route 218 to Acton and 266 to North Acton. To maintain links lost by route 218. 440: rerouted between Gypsy Corner and Acton via route 218. Withdrawn between Wembley Triangle and Wembley Stadium. Diverted to Sudbury via route 18 to Sudbury. Linking Sudbury and Wembley Central with Acton and Central Middlesex Hospital. E8: extended from Ealing Broadway to Old Oak Common Station via Madeley Avenue, North Ealing, North Circular Road, Hanger Lane, Uxbridge Road, Ealing Common Station, Twyford Avenue, Noel Road, West Acton Station, Horn Lane, Gypsy Corner, North Acton, Western Avenue, Savoy Circus, Old Oak Common Lane and East Acton. To link Old Oak Common with Hounslow and Brentford. H12: extended from South Harrow to Sudbury Town via 258 to Roxeth Hill, London Road, Sudbury Hill, Clementine Churchill Hospital, Harrow Road, route 92 to Sudbury, Bridgewater Road and route 204 to Sudbury Town. To link Sudbury with South Harrow. X18: new route running between Harrow and Euston via route 182 to Wembley and route 18 to Euston. To assist the 18 and 182. Not many people seem to comment on people's proposals so I'll comment on yours. I know this is the Fantasy thread, but there's still some that I would disagree with. - Your 18 proposal isn't bad but I think the 18 is fine as it is so I wouldn't change it.
- Your 204 is too long IMO, Greenford-Edgware seems rather long for a bus route
- 218/228/306: I do like this since it still maintains the link between CMH and Acton Vale (also covered by 260), and also North Acton to Hammersmith.
- Although your 226 would allow DD conversion, it just seems way too long between Ealing and CMH and I think that a SD but more direct link is preferable.
- 283: Not sure about this one. Also the 283 doesn't serve Charing Cross Hospital
- 440: I agree with rerouting it via West Acton but I'm not sure that the extension to Sudbury is needed. Another alternative is to extend the 218 to CMH via either 487 or 440.
- E8: This one is really confusing since it seems to go all over the place. You're not suggesting it goes to Hanger Lane station and back on the NCR surely? Also residents of Madeley Road won't want another bus route, especially as E8 is DD. Also Old Oak Common station doesn't currently exist so I don't know where you'd terminate it?
- H12: I really don't see the point of this proposal since the Piccadilly line serves both South Harrow and Sudbury.
- X18: It's not needed if you keep the 18 as it is.
Overall I think most of these changes aren't necessary and if there's not a problem with a route, I wouldn't change it. Only one I would consider is the 218, 228 and 306 proposal, and the 440 but not extending it to Sudbury.
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Post by COBO on Apr 20, 2021 14:24:26 GMT
18: withdrawn between Wembley Triangle and Sudbury. Diverted to Wembley Stadium via route 440 to Wembley Stadium. 204: withdrawn between Harrow Road and Sudbury Town. Diverted to Westway Cross via route 92 to Greenford Station and 395 to Westway Cross. 218: withdrawn between Askew Road and North Acton. Diverted to Central Middlesex Hospital via Old Oak Road and route 228 to Central Middlesex Hospital. To link Park Royal with Hammersmith. 226: rerouted between Ealing Broadway and Hanger Lane via route 483 to Ealing Broadway and rerouted between Central Middlesex Hospital and Hanger Lane via route 487 to Hanger Lane. Converted to Double deck. To link Ealing with Park Royal leisure complex. 228: withdrawn between Uxbridge Road and Central Middlesex Hospital. Diverted to Acton Vale via Uxbridge Road. 283: extended from East Acton to Ealing Broadway via route 228 to Central Middlesex Hospital and route 226 to Ealing Broadway. To maintain links lost by the 226 and 228. To also link Central Middlesex Hospital with Hammersmith and Charing Cross Hospitals. 306: extended from Acton Vale to North Acton via route 218 to Acton and 266 to North Acton. To maintain links lost by route 218. 440: rerouted between Gypsy Corner and Acton via route 218. Withdrawn between Wembley Triangle and Wembley Stadium. Diverted to Sudbury via route 18 to Sudbury. Linking Sudbury and Wembley Central with Acton and Central Middlesex Hospital. E8: extended from Ealing Broadway to Old Oak Common Station via Madeley Avenue, North Ealing, North Circular Road, Hanger Lane, Uxbridge Road, Ealing Common Station, Twyford Avenue, Noel Road, West Acton Station, Horn Lane, Gypsy Corner, North Acton, Western Avenue, Savoy Circus, Old Oak Common Lane and East Acton. To link Old Oak Common with Hounslow and Brentford. H12: extended from South Harrow to Sudbury Town via 258 to Roxeth Hill, London Road, Sudbury Hill, Clementine Churchill Hospital, Harrow Road, route 92 to Sudbury, Bridgewater Road and route 204 to Sudbury Town. To link Sudbury with South Harrow. X18: new route running between Harrow and Euston via route 182 to Wembley and route 18 to Euston. To assist the 18 and 182. Not many people seem to comment on people's proposals so I'll comment on yours. I know this is the Fantasy thread, but there's still some that I would disagree with. - Your 18 proposal isn't bad but I think the 18 is fine as it is so I wouldn't change it.
- Your 204 is too long IMO, Greenford-Edgware seems rather long for a bus route
- 218/228/306: I do like this since it still maintains the link between CMH and Acton Vale (also covered by 260), and also North Acton to Hammersmith.
- Although your 226 would allow DD conversion, it just seems way too long between Ealing and CMH and I think that a SD but more direct link is preferable.
- 283: Not sure about this one. Also the 283 doesn't serve Charing Cross Hospital
- 440: I agree with rerouting it via West Acton but I'm not sure that the extension to Sudbury is needed. Another alternative is to extend the 218 to CMH via either 487 or 440.
- E8: This one is really confusing since it seems to go all over the place. You're not suggesting it goes to Hanger Lane station and back on the NCR surely? Also residents of Madeley Road won't want another bus route, especially as E8 is DD. Also Old Oak Common station doesn't currently exist so I don't know where you'd terminate it?
- H12: I really don't see the point of this proposal since the Piccadilly line serves both South Harrow and Sudbury.
- X18: It's not needed if you keep the 18 as it is.
Overall I think most of these changes aren't necessary and if there's not a problem with a route, I wouldn't change it. Only one I would consider is the 218, 228 and 306 proposal, and the 440 but not extending it to Sudbury.
Um Charring Cross Hospital is not far from Hammersmith. So even though the 283 doesn’t serve Charing Cross Hospital directly its not far from Charing Cross Hospital. There are parts of Sudbury that aren’t served by Piccadilly Line. The H12 could act as feeder for the Piccadilly Line for Harrow Road. How would the routing of the 226 between Ealing and Central Middlesex Hospital would be too long? Surely it would be the length as it’s current routing. I have replaced the direct SD routing of the 226 between Ealing and Central Middlesex Hospital with the 283. The X18 is needed to act as relief of the busy 18. The 18 needs another route along side it to pick up the passengers left behind. The 18 needs assistance. I think cutting the 18 at Wembley Stadium is reasonable. Old Oak Common Station doesn’t currently exist but it will in the future. I want the E8 to terminate at Old Oak Common Station and even if it doesn’t exist yet it could terminate at East Acton until Old Oak Common Station exists. And no I don’t want it to go via Hanger Lane Station and I didn’t suggest for the E8 to go via Hanger Lane Station and go back onto NCR. I don’t think that Edgware to Greenford is that long.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 16:37:40 GMT
Not many people seem to comment on people's proposals so I'll comment on yours. I know this is the Fantasy thread, but there's still some that I would disagree with. - Your 18 proposal isn't bad but I think the 18 is fine as it is so I wouldn't change it.
- Your 204 is too long IMO, Greenford-Edgware seems rather long for a bus route
- 218/228/306: I do like this since it still maintains the link between CMH and Acton Vale (also covered by 260), and also North Acton to Hammersmith.
- Although your 226 would allow DD conversion, it just seems way too long between Ealing and CMH and I think that a SD but more direct link is preferable.
- 283: Not sure about this one. Also the 283 doesn't serve Charing Cross Hospital
- 440: I agree with rerouting it via West Acton but I'm not sure that the extension to Sudbury is needed. Another alternative is to extend the 218 to CMH via either 487 or 440.
- E8: This one is really confusing since it seems to go all over the place. You're not suggesting it goes to Hanger Lane station and back on the NCR surely? Also residents of Madeley Road won't want another bus route, especially as E8 is DD. Also Old Oak Common station doesn't currently exist so I don't know where you'd terminate it?
- H12: I really don't see the point of this proposal since the Piccadilly line serves both South Harrow and Sudbury.
- X18: It's not needed if you keep the 18 as it is.
Overall I think most of these changes aren't necessary and if there's not a problem with a route, I wouldn't change it. Only one I would consider is the 218, 228 and 306 proposal, and the 440 but not extending it to Sudbury.
Um Charring Cross Hospital is not far from Hammersmith. So even though the 283 doesn’t serve Charing Cross Hospital directly its not far from Charing Cross Hospital. There are parts of Sudbury that aren’t served by Piccadilly Line. The H12 could act as feeder for the Piccadilly Line for Harrow Road. How would the routing of the 226 between Ealing and Central Middlesex Hospital would be too long? Surely it would be the length as it’s current routing. I have replaced the direct SD routing of the 226 between Ealing and Central Middlesex Hospital with the 283. The X18 is needed to act as relief of the busy 18. The 18 needs another route along side it to pick up the passengers left behind. The 18 needs assistance. I think cutting the 18 at Wembley Stadium is reasonable. Old Oak Common Station doesn’t currently exist but it will in the future. I want the E8 to terminate at Old Oak Common Station and even if it doesn’t exist yet it could terminate at East Acton until Old Oak Common Station exists. And no I don’t want it to go via Hanger Lane Station and I didn’t suggest for the E8 to go via Hanger Lane Station and go back onto NCR. I don’t think that Edgware to Greenford is that long. Although parts of Sudbury aren't served by the Piccadilly line, they are a short walk away. Also I don't think that the H12 is the right route to extend - should be a shorter one, perhaps a new route completely via your H12 proposed extension and then extend somewhere further west of South Harrow such as Pinner for example. Your proposal of the 226 between Hanger Lane and CMH would be long because it goes via North Acton. I get your point about the X18. My bad about Hanger Lane, wasn't sure if you were referring to the station or the road of the same name. An Edgware-Greenford route could be more feasible via Harrow/Wealdstone if it was more direct rather than extending the 204 which is already long enough going via Grahame Park
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Post by COBO on Apr 20, 2021 18:41:16 GMT
Um Charring Cross Hospital is not far from Hammersmith. So even though the 283 doesn’t serve Charing Cross Hospital directly its not far from Charing Cross Hospital. There are parts of Sudbury that aren’t served by Piccadilly Line. The H12 could act as feeder for the Piccadilly Line for Harrow Road. How would the routing of the 226 between Ealing and Central Middlesex Hospital would be too long? Surely it would be the length as it’s current routing. I have replaced the direct SD routing of the 226 between Ealing and Central Middlesex Hospital with the 283. The X18 is needed to act as relief of the busy 18. The 18 needs another route along side it to pick up the passengers left behind. The 18 needs assistance. I think cutting the 18 at Wembley Stadium is reasonable. Old Oak Common Station doesn’t currently exist but it will in the future. I want the E8 to terminate at Old Oak Common Station and even if it doesn’t exist yet it could terminate at East Acton until Old Oak Common Station exists. And no I don’t want it to go via Hanger Lane Station and I didn’t suggest for the E8 to go via Hanger Lane Station and go back onto NCR. I don’t think that Edgware to Greenford is that long. Although parts of Sudbury aren't served by the Piccadilly line, they are a short walk away. Also I don't think that the H12 is the right route to extend - should be a shorter one, perhaps a new route completely via your H12 proposed extension and then extend somewhere further west of South Harrow such as Pinner for example. Your proposal of the 226 between Hanger Lane and CMH would be long because it goes via North Acton. I get your point about the X18. My bad about Hanger Lane, wasn't sure if you were referring to the station or the road of the same name. An Edgware-Greenford route could be more feasible via Harrow/Wealdstone if it was more direct rather than extending the 204 which is already long enough going via Grahame Park Why create a new route to Pinner when you could easily just extend the H12 to Sudbury which already goes to Pinner. The H12 could also provide round the corner links between South Harrow and Sudbury that can’t be achieved by the Piccadilly Line. The H12 could connect people on Harrow Road and Sudbury with Sudbury Town Station. Where would the new route go? Could the stand in Pinner have another route? Also there are many places where tube and bus routes duplicate each other. You could go to on Piccadilly Line from South Harrow to Ruislip or Ruislip Manor or Eastcote or Rayners Lane or Sudbury Town or Alperton or Park Royal and there also bus routes in South Harrow that go to the same places as the Piccadilly Line from South Harrow so what is wrong with a little duplication to Sudbury. I don’t think that the 226 going via North Acton is long.
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Post by ADH45258 on Apr 20, 2021 21:30:21 GMT
Although parts of Sudbury aren't served by the Piccadilly line, they are a short walk away. Also I don't think that the H12 is the right route to extend - should be a shorter one, perhaps a new route completely via your H12 proposed extension and then extend somewhere further west of South Harrow such as Pinner for example. Your proposal of the 226 between Hanger Lane and CMH would be long because it goes via North Acton. I get your point about the X18. My bad about Hanger Lane, wasn't sure if you were referring to the station or the road of the same name. An Edgware-Greenford route could be more feasible via Harrow/Wealdstone if it was more direct rather than extending the 204 which is already long enough going via Grahame Park Why create a new route to Pinner when you could easily just extend the H12 to Sudbury which already goes to Pinner. The H12 could also provide round the corner links between South Harrow and Sudbury that can’t be achieved by the Piccadilly Line. The H12 could connect people on Harrow Road and Sudbury with Sudbury Town Station. Where would the new route go? Could the stand in Pinner have another route? Also there are many places where tube and bus routes duplicate each other. You could go to on Piccadilly Line from South Harrow to Ruislip or Ruislip Manor or Eastcote or Rayners Lane, or Sudbury Town or Alperton or Park Royal and there also bus routes in South Harrow that go to the same places. I don’t think that the 226 going via North Acton is long. If the H12 idea is more to provide shorter distance links from South Harrow towards the Sudbury area, I think extending/rerouteing the 398 might be a better option. The 92, 487 and H17 already provide useful links in the area, including to/from the Piccadilly line stations, and so a frequent DD service from the H12 isn't needed alongside. I would suggest to extend the 398, to continue serving the current Wood End terminus as a double run, then via Wood End Gardens and Cavendish Avenue to Sudbury Hill Stations, then onwards to terminate at the Clementine Churchill Hospital (provding buses can fit within the grounds). The 398 could also possibly be increased to every 20 minutes if needed. Such as extension would provide the round-the-corner links mentioned that aren't already covered by the 92/487/H17.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 20, 2021 21:53:06 GMT
Not many people seem to comment on people's proposals so I'll comment on yours. I know this is the Fantasy thread, but there's still some that I would disagree with. - Your 18 proposal isn't bad but I think the 18 is fine as it is so I wouldn't change it.
- Your 204 is too long IMO, Greenford-Edgware seems rather long for a bus route
- 218/228/306: I do like this since it still maintains the link between CMH and Acton Vale (also covered by 260), and also North Acton to Hammersmith.
- Although your 226 would allow DD conversion, it just seems way too long between Ealing and CMH and I think that a SD but more direct link is preferable.
- 283: Not sure about this one. Also the 283 doesn't serve Charing Cross Hospital
- 440: I agree with rerouting it via West Acton but I'm not sure that the extension to Sudbury is needed. Another alternative is to extend the 218 to CMH via either 487 or 440.
- E8: This one is really confusing since it seems to go all over the place. You're not suggesting it goes to Hanger Lane station and back on the NCR surely? Also residents of Madeley Road won't want another bus route, especially as E8 is DD. Also Old Oak Common station doesn't currently exist so I don't know where you'd terminate it?
- H12: I really don't see the point of this proposal since the Piccadilly line serves both South Harrow and Sudbury.
- X18: It's not needed if you keep the 18 as it is.
Overall I think most of these changes aren't necessary and if there's not a problem with a route, I wouldn't change it. Only one I would consider is the 218, 228 and 306 proposal, and the 440 but not extending it to Sudbury.
Um Charring Cross Hospital is not far from Hammersmith. So even though the 283 doesn’t serve Charing Cross Hospital directly its not far from Charing Cross Hospital. There are parts of Sudbury that aren’t served by Piccadilly Line. The H12 could act as feeder for the Piccadilly Line for Harrow Road. How would the routing of the 226 between Ealing and Central Middlesex Hospital would be too long? Surely it would be the length as it’s current routing. I have replaced the direct SD routing of the 226 between Ealing and Central Middlesex Hospital with the 283. The X18 is needed to act as relief of the busy 18. The 18 needs another route along side it to pick up the passengers left behind. The 18 needs assistance. I think cutting the 18 at Wembley Stadium is reasonable. Old Oak Common Station doesn’t currently exist but it will in the future. I want the E8 to terminate at Old Oak Common Station and even if it doesn’t exist yet it could terminate at East Acton until Old Oak Common Station exists. And no I don’t want it to go via Hanger Lane Station and I didn’t suggest for the E8 to go via Hanger Lane Station and go back onto NCR. I don’t think that Edgware to Greenford is that long. Please don't move the 260s problems to the 226! The A40 & A406 is bad enough in the peaks let's not wreck the 226
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Post by COBO on Apr 20, 2021 23:51:42 GMT
Why create a new route to Pinner when you could easily just extend the H12 to Sudbury which already goes to Pinner. The H12 could also provide round the corner links between South Harrow and Sudbury that can’t be achieved by the Piccadilly Line. The H12 could connect people on Harrow Road and Sudbury with Sudbury Town Station. Where would the new route go? Could the stand in Pinner have another route? Also there are many places where tube and bus routes duplicate each other. You could go to on Piccadilly Line from South Harrow to Ruislip or Ruislip Manor or Eastcote or Rayners Lane, or Sudbury Town or Alperton or Park Royal and there also bus routes in South Harrow that go to the same places. I don’t think that the 226 going via North Acton is long. If the H12 idea is more to provide shorter distance links from South Harrow towards the Sudbury area, I think extending/rerouteing the 398 might be a better option. The 92, 487 and H17 already provide useful links in the area, including to/from the Piccadilly line stations, and so a frequent DD service from the H12 isn't needed alongside. I would suggest to extend the 398, to continue serving the current Wood End terminus as a double run, then via Wood End Gardens and Cavendish Avenue to Sudbury Hill Stations, then onwards to terminate at the Clementine Churchill Hospital (provding buses can fit within the grounds). The 398 could also possibly be increased to every 20 minutes if needed. Such as extension would provide the round-the-corner links mentioned that aren't already covered by the 92/487/H17. No thanks I’ll stick with the extension of the H12 to Sudbury. My proposed H12 extension will provide round the corner links that the 92//487/H17 won’t provide. Like linking Sudbury and Harrow Road with Sudbury Town Station and link South Harrow with Clementine Churchill Hospital and Harrow Road. The problem with your extension is that you don’t even know if buses allowed to go onto or terminate on the grounds of Clementine Hospital. What happens if Clementine Hospital doesn’t allow buses to go on there grounds where would you terminate your 398 then. At least with the H12 extension there’s a stand already provided at Sudbury Town Station. Also by extending the H12 to Sudbury the H12 will act as relief for the busy 92. So I think a frequent DD service from the H12 could be useful. So no extending the 398 is not a better option.
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Post by COBO on Apr 20, 2021 23:54:44 GMT
Um Charring Cross Hospital is not far from Hammersmith. So even though the 283 doesn’t serve Charing Cross Hospital directly its not far from Charing Cross Hospital. There are parts of Sudbury that aren’t served by Piccadilly Line. The H12 could act as feeder for the Piccadilly Line for Harrow Road. How would the routing of the 226 between Ealing and Central Middlesex Hospital would be too long? Surely it would be the length as it’s current routing. I have replaced the direct SD routing of the 226 between Ealing and Central Middlesex Hospital with the 283. The X18 is needed to act as relief of the busy 18. The 18 needs another route along side it to pick up the passengers left behind. The 18 needs assistance. I think cutting the 18 at Wembley Stadium is reasonable. Old Oak Common Station doesn’t currently exist but it will in the future. I want the E8 to terminate at Old Oak Common Station and even if it doesn’t exist yet it could terminate at East Acton until Old Oak Common Station exists. And no I don’t want it to go via Hanger Lane Station and I didn’t suggest for the E8 to go via Hanger Lane Station and go back onto NCR. I don’t think that Edgware to Greenford is that long. Please don't move the 260s problems to the 226! The A40 & A406 is bad enough in the peaks let's not wreck the 226 Well something needs to be done because the 226 is a busy route. Besides the 226 already crosses the A406/A40 at Hanger Lane so what the deal is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2021 13:17:43 GMT
Although parts of Sudbury aren't served by the Piccadilly line, they are a short walk away. Also I don't think that the H12 is the right route to extend - should be a shorter one, perhaps a new route completely via your H12 proposed extension and then extend somewhere further west of South Harrow such as Pinner for example. Your proposal of the 226 between Hanger Lane and CMH would be long because it goes via North Acton. I get your point about the X18. My bad about Hanger Lane, wasn't sure if you were referring to the station or the road of the same name. An Edgware-Greenford route could be more feasible via Harrow/Wealdstone if it was more direct rather than extending the 204 which is already long enough going via Grahame Park Why create a new route to Pinner when you could easily just extend the H12 to Sudbury which already goes to Pinner. The H12 could also provide round the corner links between South Harrow and Sudbury that can’t be achieved by the Piccadilly Line. The H12 could connect people on Harrow Road and Sudbury with Sudbury Town Station. Where would the new route go? Could the stand in Pinner have another route? Also there are many places where tube and bus routes duplicate each other. You could go to on Piccadilly Line from South Harrow to Ruislip or Ruislip Manor or Eastcote or Rayners Lane or Sudbury Town or Alperton or Park Royal and there also bus routes in South Harrow that go to the same places as the Piccadilly Line from South Harrow so what is wrong with a little duplication to Sudbury. I don’t think that the 226 going via North Acton is long. Because the H12 is fine as it is and doesn't need extending. The route could start in Pinner Green, with the last stop being West End Lane. Drivers would turn at the roundabout by Tesco and pick up passengers on the same stop going towards Pinner, without stopping inbetween (I know this is inconvenient but there isn't enough space at Pinner where the 183 stands). The route would then follow the H12 to Pinner, 183 to the junction of Marsh Lane/Rayners Lane, Rayners Lane (the road, then the station, giving people on Rayners Lane a bus for the first time), 398 to South Harrow then your H12 proposal. Also adding another bus to the A40 would be chaos particularly in rushhour where there is enough traffic as it is.
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