Formula 1

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BTW I was quite shock about Jenson's "Kidnapped" or "Attacking" scheme from a bunch of guys in Sao Paulo on Sunday. I've also heard BWM Sauber boys had a bit of bother from them too.

[ajw]

I see Red Bull still isn't backing Webber for the title even though mathematicly and practicaly he is Red Bulls ONLY realistic chance of having the number 1 on a RBR car next year. For Webber to get the championship he needs to win. If he does that it is game over. For Vittel to win he needs to win he race AND have Alonso finish 5th or below, something he or RBR has no control over. One would have though the best race strategy would be to use Vittel to allow Webber to get in front and keep Alonso behind. But don't see that happening.

[Madstuntman]

Nov 10, 2010 11:32:03 GMT ajw said:

I see Red Bull still isn't backing Webber for the title even though mathematicly and practicaly he is Red Bulls ONLY realistic chance of having the number 1 on a RBR car next year. For Webber to get the championship he needs to win. If he does that it is game over. For Vittel to win he needs to win he race AND have Alonso finish 5th or below, something he or RBR has no control over. One would have though the best race strategy would be to use Vittel to allow Webber to get in front and keep Alonso behind. But don't see that happening.

Surely if it's Red Bull running 1 -2 like the last race with FA in 5th or above then they've got to ask SV to move over for MW?? It would be mad not to.

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Nov 10, 2010 14:33:28 GMT Madstuntman said:

Nov 10, 2010 11:32:03 GMT ajw said:

I see Red Bull still isn't backing Webber for the title even though mathematicly and practicaly he is Red Bulls ONLY realistic chance of having the number 1 on a RBR car next year. For Webber to get the championship he needs to win. If he does that it is game over. For Vittel to win he needs to win he race AND have Alonso finish 5th or below, something he or RBR has no control over. One would have though the best race strategy would be to use Vittel to allow Webber to get in front and keep Alonso behind. But don't see that happening.

Surely if it's Red Bull running 1 -2 like the last race with FA in 5th or above then they've got to ask SV to move over for MW?? It would be mad not to.

Precisely, but Vettel has said before in the interview in Sao Paulo that he'll help out Mark Webber at all cost. Vettel is still in the title race but will he stick to his word. But like all drivers say they are doing their own race, I'm sure Button can do a few moves on Alonso, just to keep him busy.. ;D

[Trident]

Nov 10, 2010 11:32:03 GMT ajw said:

I see Red Bull still isn't backing Webber for the title even though mathematicly and practicaly he is Red Bulls ONLY realistic chance of having the number 1 on a RBR car next year. For Webber to get the championship he needs to win. If he does that it is game over. For Vittel to win he needs to win he race AND have Alonso finish 5th or below, something he or RBR has no control over. One would have though the best race strategy would be to use Vittel to allow Webber to get in front and keep Alonso behind. But don't see that happening.

Why are we calling Vettel 'Vittel' ;D ;D

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Nov 10, 2010 16:46:55 GMT Trident said:

Nov 10, 2010 11:32:03 GMT ajw said:

I see Red Bull still isn't backing Webber for the title even though mathematicly and practicaly he is Red Bulls ONLY realistic chance of having the number 1 on a RBR car next year. For Webber to get the championship he needs to win. If he does that it is game over. For Vittel to win he needs to win he race AND have Alonso finish 5th or below, something he or RBR has no control over. One would have though the best race strategy would be to use Vittel to allow Webber to get in front and keep Alonso behind. But don't see that happening.

Why are we calling Vettel 'Vittel' ;D ;D

Why, You getting offended of the mis-spelling of Vettel's name.... ;D....

[Trident]

Nov 10, 2010 17:20:56 GMT @eastlondon92 said:

Nov 10, 2010 16:46:55 GMT Trident said:

Why are we calling Vettel 'Vittel' ;D ;D

Why, You getting offended of the mis-spelling of Vettel's name.... ;D....

Haha! ;D. No, im not all all offended. Just asking why ;D

[Trident]

Just to remind everyone how the season has gone so far with one race to go

Round 1: Sakhir, Bahrain
Vettel on pole, and led for most of the race until a spark plug problem handed the race win to Fernando Alonso. Massa made it a 1-2 by finishing second with Hamilton 3rd and Vettel 4th. The other present title contender Mark Webber finished 8th after a race long battle with Jenson Button and the 2 Mercedes drivers

Round 2: Albert Park, Australia
Vettel on pole yet again, and led until lap 25 when reliability struck him again. Button gambled on putting options on early in the race and that payed off with the maximum 25 points. Hamilton finished 6th after a race long battle with Webber/Alonso/Massa and Rosberg. Webber finished 10th after damaging his front wing while attempting to pass Lewis Hamilton. Massa came 3rd and Alonso 4th with Rosberg 5th. At this point Red Bull were 5th in the constructors championship with only 18 points. Ferrari were leading with 70 points, 16 ahead of McLaren with Mercedes 3rd on 29 points

Round 3: Sepang, Malaysia
A gamble on intermediate tyres paid off for Webber with a pole position. Vettel won after getting past Webber into turn 1 and controlled the race from there, successfully putting reliabilirt issues behind him. Other rivals McLaren and Ferrari screwed their qualifying after deciding to wait until the middle of the session to go out. Hamilton drove a great comeback race to finish 6th, with Massa 7th and Button 8th. Alonso had to retire due to engine issues.

Round 4: Shanghai, China
Vettel and Webber dominated in qualifying, but could only manage 6th and 8th respectively in the race after poor decisions in the changeable weather conditions. Jenson Button took the win ahead of team mate Hamilton to ensure it was a McLaren 1-2 for the first time this season. Alonso was 4th after recovering through the field nicely. This is Jenson Button's latest win to date

Round 5: Catalunya, Spain
Red Bull shocked the paddock by qualifying almost a second quicker than 3rd placed Hamilton. Webber led from start to finish and picked up his first win of the year in style. Meanwhile Lewis Hamilton lost 2nd place after a tyre failiure with only 2 laps to go news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8671074.stm . Alonso was promoted to 2nd with Vettel 3rd after being out raced by Hamilton and suffering a break problem late in the race.

Round 6: Monte Carlo, Monaco
Webber dominates again for the 2nd race in 1 week, leading from lights to flag ahead of team mate Vettel to ensure it was a Red Bull 1-2. Hamilton was 5th, and Alonso was 6th after he crashed in the final practice www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iii-7zV5pzY , and was unable to take part in qualifying, so he started from the pitlane. After this race Webber and Vettel were joiny leaders on 78 points, with Alonso 3rd on 75 points, an Button 4th on 70. Hamilton was down in 7th with 59 points.

Round 7: Istanbul, Turkey
Webber sets the pace again in qualifying, and Red Bull get it all right until the collision on lap 40 here news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8713653.stm . Advantage McLaren with Hamilton leading Button. Webber carried on to finish 3rd, but it was a disappointing weekend for Alonso as he only managed 12th place in qualifying and finished 8th in the race

Round 8: Montreal, Canada
Hamilton took the first non Red Bull pole of the year, and it was a race long battle between Hamilton, Button, Vettel, Webber and Alonso. Hamilton and Button made it the 2nd McLaren 1-2 in a row and Alonso came third after losing out in traffic. Vettel and Webber came 4th and 5th respectively

Round 9: Valencia, Europe
Vettel and Webber made it an all Red Bull front row. But Webber's race came to an end early on after hitting the back of Kovalainen's Lotus news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8766194.stm . Alonso finished 8th after his was comprimised by Hamilton's tactic to back off and then overtake the safety car after it went past the line. Hamilton finished 2nd despite the penalty, and Button 3rd. Vettel in control throughout the race to beat Hamilton in the German vs England F1 race, and the same happened in the world cup where Germany knocked England out ;D ;D

Round 10: Silverstone, Great Britain
After Vettel's front wing was damaged in the final practice news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8807373.stm , Red Bull decided to take Webber's front wing off and hand it to Vettel. The result?? Vettel on pole from Webber. Webber gets off the line cleanly and passes Vettel, who suffered a puncture after Hamilton's front wing clipped his tyre. Hamilton did finish 2nd, with Vettel doing a great comeback for 7th. No points for Ferrari this race as Alonso suffered a drive through penalty for cutting across the track passing Kubica.
This was the halfway point of 2010

Round 11: Hockenheim, Germany
After being 46 points behind championship leader Hamilton, Alonso drove a good race securing a Ferrari 1-2 after it appeared Ferrari were using team orders to Massa so he could let Alonso through on lap 49 news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8852816.stm . Vettel came 3rd with the McLarens of Hamilton and Button 4th and 5th respectively, and Webber 6th after a oil comsumption problem

Round 12: Budapest, Hungary
Red Bull shocked everyone in qualifying by qualifying a massive 1.2 seconds faster than 3rd placed Alonso. Vettel leads and has the race under control until a error dropping more than 10 car lengths gives Webber the win and promotes Alonso to 2nd. Vettel was 3rd, but Hamilton had to retire thanks to gearbox issues. Button was only 8th to end what was a dissapointing weekend for McLaren. After this race, Webber led the championship by 4 points from Hamilton. Vettel was a further 6 points behind in 3rd with Button 4th on 147 points. Alonso was 5th on 141 points. 20 points were covering the top 5 drivers

Round 13: Spa, Belgium
Webber qualified from pole, but anti-stall kicked in to promote Hamilton to 1st and to take his proper win at the Belgian Grand Prix. Webber came back through the order to finish 2nd, but 3/5 title contenders failed to score. Alonso put it in the wall late in the race, Vettel collided with Button which ended the British driver's race news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8953382.stm . Vettel got a drive through then had a puncture after colliding with Liuzzi. Hamilton re gained the championship lead

Round 14: Monza, Italy
Alonso took the 2nd non Red Bull pole of 2010, and it was the first time since this very track in 2009 that a Red Bull wasnt on the front row of the grid. It was also Ferrari's first pole since the 2008 title decider in Brazil. Button and Alonso had a race long battle and Alonso came out on top, Hamilton crashed out on lap 1 after colliding with Massa news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8992006.stm . This was Red Bull's weakest track of the year, and they had damage limitation success with Vettel 4th despite a earlier problem and Webber 6th after being unhappy that Hulkenberg jumped the chicanes.

Round 15: Marina Bay, Singapore
Alonso takes his 2nd pole position in a row and holds off a fast Vettel to win the race. Webber came 3rd despite a collision which ended Lewis Hamilton's race news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9034526.stm . Button was promoted to 4th

Round 16: Suzuka, Japan
On the same day was qualifying and the race after Saturday was a complete washout thanks to heavy rain. Vettel and Webber dominated in qualifying, with Hamilton 3rd but he dropped 5 places thanks to a gearbox penalty. Vettel led Webber to a Red Bull 1-2, with Alonso 3rd. Button was promoted to 4th after Hamilton lost 3rd gear and he had to settle for 5th.

Round 17: Yeongam, South Korea
Vettel and Webber dominated in qualifying, but both Red Bulls failed to finish thanks to Webber crashing out on lap 18 news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9121806.stm , and Vettel suffering a engine problem late in the race news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9121943.stm . This helped Alonso take the championship lead by winning the race from Hamilton. Button sufferes another poor race struggling for grip and can only manage a 12th place finish

Round 18: Interlagos, Brazil
Hulkenberg gets the timings right to secure his first ever pole position in F1, but finishes 8th. Vettel and Webber secured a 1-2 to help Red Bull clinch the constructors crown. Alonso maintains championship lead by finishing 3rd, ahead of the McLarens of Hamilton and Button, ending Button's hopes of defending his title

Round 19: Yas Marina, Abu Dhabi
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Nov 10, 2010 19:24:47 GMT Trident said:

Just to remind everyone how the season has gone so far with one race to go


Round 19: Yas Marina, Abu Dhabi
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McLaren (1-2) and fastest in Practice and Qualifying.

[Trident]

Nov 10, 2010 19:28:32 GMT @eastlondon92 said:

Nov 10, 2010 19:24:47 GMT Trident said:

Just to remind everyone how the season has gone so far with one race to go


Round 19: Yas Marina, Abu Dhabi
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McLaren (1-2) and fastest in Practice and Qualifying.

Dont put your hopes up ;D, anyway Red Bull are expected to set the pace yet again with the combination of corners

[ajw]

Nov 10, 2010 14:33:28 GMT Madstuntman said:

Surely if it's Red Bull running 1 -2 like the last race with FA in 5th or above then they've got to ask SV to move over for MW?? It would be mad not to.

Except of course that Horner has said he will leave it up to Vittel to decide. Knowing that little turd he would take the win over what is good for the team in that situation.
Oh as to the misspelling of his name, maybe those who call him Vettel think of him like water. Sometimes hot, some times cold and some times full of crap you just cannot stand.

[Paul]

Nov 10, 2010 19:31:10 GMT Trident said:

Dont put your hopes up ;D, anyway Red Bull are expected to set the pace yet again with the combination of corners

Don't forget, the McLaren was awesomely quick at Abu Dhabi last year and that was somewhat out of the blue. Lewis Hamilton would have walked away with it had he not retired early

That said, I would be surprised if McLaren were setting the pace this weekend. I can't see beyond Red Bull and Ferrari at the front

Of course, the question is will Vettel move over for Webber if the need arises? Part of me would be staggered if he doesn't but there's another part of me that wonders whether he would or not. He makes a lot of noises about doing the right thing for the team but I'm just not sure

The permutations of the result on Sunday are endless. Its going to change quite a bit over the course of the race and I can absolutely guarantee that there will be controversy at some point

But I am definitely in the Webber camp. Come on Mark!!

[Paul]

Nov 10, 2010 19:31:10 GMT Trident said:

Dont put your hopes up ;D, anyway Red Bull are expected to set the pace yet again with the combination of corners

Don't forget, the McLaren was awesomely quick at Abu Dhabi last year and that was somewhat out of the blue. Lewis Hamilton would have walked away with it had he not retired early

That said, I would be surprised if McLaren were setting the pace this weekend. I can't see beyond Red Bull and Ferrari at the front

Of course, the question is will Vettel move over for Webber if the need arises? Part of me would be staggered if he doesn't but there's another part of me that wonders whether he would or not. He makes a lot of noises about doing the right thing for the team but I'm just not sure

The permutations of the result on Sunday are endless. Its going to change quite a bit over the course of the race and I can absolutely guarantee that there will be controversy at some point

But I am definitely in the Webber camp. Come on Mark!!

[Paul]

Nov 11, 2010 10:48:34 GMT ajw said:

Oh as to the misspelling of his name, maybe those who call him Vettel think of him like water

Maybe those of us who call him Vettel call him that because that's his name? Misspelling names irritates me a little; the one that really gets my goat is 'McClaren.' I get little jets of steam coming out of my ears at that one!

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The McLarens were quick in P1 with the boys in 2-3 while Vettel is up in 1st and Webber in 4th.

Kubica scored a speed trap for 319KMH