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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2010 23:33:59 GMT
Discuss you're favorite teams in F1, Legends, Older generation teams (Jordan GP) and Who you think will become World Champion this season.
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Post by Paul on Sept 26, 2010 15:00:34 GMT
I have two favourite teams in F1; Williams and Lotus. That said, for many, many years my favourite team was Jordan. I have two favourite drivers as well; Jenson Button and Nico Rosberg
As for this year's championship I want Jenson Button to win it (obviously! ;D ) but I think Mark Webber might just pull it off - which I would be quite happy with. After today's race though, I think Fernando Alonso might just be hitting form at the right time. And I wouldn't be happy with him winning the title at all
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2010 15:49:52 GMT
After today's race though, I think Fernando Alonso might just be hitting form at the right time. And I wouldn't be happy with him winning the title at all Same... Ferrari doesn't deserve to win the Championship (Fernado Alonso) after the team orders in Germany, Massa should of won that race far and square, plus £60,000 fine I mean come on what sort of a punishment is that, the FIA should off thought of a harsher punishment for them. However, IMHO Hamilton can still win the championship but Webber should of known better to back off when Hamilton was coming in from the outside as Webber Quoted "Its just kids in F1" where as Webber made mistakes himself...  But both drivers are driving extremely well this season, I must say... |
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Post by Trident on Sept 26, 2010 16:22:26 GMT
After today's race though, I think Fernando Alonso might just be hitting form at the right time. And I wouldn't be happy with him winning the title at all Same... Ferrari doesn't deserve to win the Championship (Fernado Alonso) after the team orders in Germany, Massa should of won that race far and square, plus £60,000 fine I mean come on what sort of a punishment is that, the FIA should off thought of a harsher punishment for them. However, IMHO Hamilton can still win the championship but Webber should of known better to back off when Hamilton was coming in from the outside as Webber Quoted "Its just kids in F1" where as Webber made mistakes himself... But both drivers are driving extremely well this season, I must say... Mark Webber and Red Bull deserve it, as they have had the fastest car all year!!! ;D |
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Post by john on Sept 26, 2010 17:06:57 GMT
With Ferrari's court hearing, was it any surprise with Jean Todt leading the panel?
Anyway, I'd love Jenson to retain or Lewis to regain the title myself. Alonso is just a dirty, cheating, horrible little f**ker that doesn't deserve the title at all. Webber and Vettel really do have a fantastic car, really fast!!
I just have a feeling it'll be decided at the last race of the season and will probably be between Webber, Alonso and Hamilton IF the latter can actually start finishing races again!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2010 17:14:51 GMT
I'd love Jenson to retain or Lewis to regain the title myself. Same here, I'd do prefer Hamilton over Button but it would be a nice end of the season present for Button if he does win the championship again, it'd be back to back...  Button also helped Brawn GP win both Championship and Constructors on it's de vú season |
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Post by Trident on Sept 26, 2010 17:19:41 GMT
I'd love Jenson to retain or Lewis to regain the title myself. Same here, I'd do prefer Hamilton over Button but it would be a nice end of the season present for Button if he does win the championship again, it'd be back to back... Button also helped Brawn GP win both Championship and Constructors on it's de vú season Well it's coming to be hard for the McLaren now as the last 4 race circuits are expected to suit the Red Bull, especially Suzuka in 2 weeks with its combination of high speed corners. But we will wait and see if McLaren have closed the gap with their new front wing john, dont even mention the word "Alonso", he dosent deserve the title after what happened in Germany |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2010 17:22:55 GMT
Same here, I'd do prefer Hamilton over Button but it would be a nice end of the season present for Button if he does win the championship again, it'd be back to back... Button also helped Brawn GP win both Championship and Constructors on it's de vú season Well it's coming to be hard for the McLaren now as the last 4 race circuits are expected to suit the Red Bull, especially Suzuka in 2 weeks with its combination of high speed corners. I just wanna pray and hope that the Red Bull boys will do the same pathetic "fail" pass that they did in Turkey which later on in the race McLaren out performed them... ;D |
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Post by Trident on Sept 26, 2010 17:29:55 GMT
Well it's coming to be hard for the McLaren now as the last 4 race circuits are expected to suit the Red Bull, especially Suzuka in 2 weeks with its combination of high speed corners. I just wanna pray and hope that the Red Bull boys will do the same pathetic "fail" pass that they did in Turkey which later on in the race McLaren out performed them... ;D Don't you dare try it on my boys!!!!!! ;D ;D Anyway, personally after today's race, i think Hamilton is being more aggresive like in 2007. Any more slip ups from him and he could say goodbye to his championship hopes. Ferrari (The i hate guys) seem to be back in the constructors championship running. McLaren havent got both cars to the finish since the German GP and have lost points to Red Bull and Ferrari in the past 3-4 races. |
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Post by Paul on Sept 26, 2010 20:22:51 GMT
After today's race though, I think Fernando Alonso might just be hitting form at the right time. And I wouldn't be happy with him winning the title at all Same... Ferrari doesn't deserve to win the Championship (Fernado Alonso) after the team orders in Germany, Massa should of won that race far and square, plus £60,000 fine I mean come on what sort of a punishment is that, the FIA should off thought of a harsher punishment for them. However, IMHO Hamilton can still win the championship but Webber should of known better to back off when Hamilton was coming in from the outside as Webber Quoted "Its just kids in F1" where as Webber made mistakes himself... But both drivers are driving extremely well this season, I must say... On the first point; team orders always have and always will exist in F1. Currently, the use of team orders is banned but there are easy ways around the ruling. Do we get upset if one guy is told to be easy on the fuel while his team-mate is not? That can be construed as team orders but no one gets too upset over it What Ferrari did in Germany was utterly blatant. However, they just have to keep a straight face, keep saying 'course it wasn't team orders guv,' and they get away with it. The use of team orders didn't bother me as much as the fact that Ferrari treated all the fans as idiots. We know it happened, they know it happened and the FIA know it happened. Yet, there is no concrete evidence to convict Ferrari so the WMSC handed down the only verdict they could The team orders row is one that will go on and on and never reach a satisfactory conclusion. I don't like the use of team orders and would be much happier if F1 adopted the way Indycar in America operates. Indycar has two and three cars teams yet each car operates independently to the extent that they have their own pit box, unlike F1 where two cars have to share a box. I think that method works so much better As to the second point - the Hamilton/Webber clash - I don't see why Webber should have backed out. Hamilton was not completely past Webber and Webber had every right to take the corner. Later on in the race Robert Kubica showed how to overtake at that corner when he went right around the outside of Adrian Sutil. I still think the Webber/Hamilton incident was a totally 50/50 racing incident - no blame on either side Mark Webber and Red Bull deserve it, as they have had the fastest car all year!!! ;D Sebastian Vettel has had the fastest car as well. Sadly, he hasn't grown up yet and keeps making stupid errors. That said, he has been quite impressive in the past two races. Today, in particular, I thought he was going to throw one up the inside of Alonso and take the pair of them off With Ferrari's court hearing, was it any surprise with Jean Todt leading the panel? Actually, Todt was well aware of the impression his place on the WMSC would create and for that reason he stepped down and his deputy took his place. Todt had absolutely zero input into the WMSC's decision on Ferrari. I have to say I had huge doubts about Jean Todt being the FIA President but he has impressed me thus far Alonso really is a dirty, cheating, horrible little f**ker but that doesn't take away from the fact he is a bloody good racing driver. His last two performances - both wins - have been extremely impressive. Martin Brundle nailed it - Alonso is difficult to like but easy to admire. For me, he's very much like Michael Schumacher. I never liked Schumacher but feel honoured to have watched him race. Some of his performances - Hungary 1998 comes to mind - have been absolutely awesome. I feel like that towards Alonso and have done since 2007 |
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Post by Paul on Sept 26, 2010 20:25:29 GMT
Oh, and just a quick question. To those F1 fans around here, how long have you been watching? I've been watching full time since 1992 although my very first memory of F1 is my dad and grandfather going mental at Nigel Mansell catching and passing Nelson Piquet at Silverstone in 1987
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2010 20:56:44 GMT
Same here, I'd do prefer Hamilton over Button but it would be a nice end of the season present for Button if he does win the championship again, it'd be back to back... Button also helped Brawn GP win both Championship and Constructors on it's de vú season Well it's coming to be hard for the McLaren now as the last 4 race circuits are expected to suit the Red Bull, especially Suzuka in 2 weeks with its combination of high speed corners. But we will wait and see if McLaren have closed the gap with their new front wing Hmm, You've also said that Singapore suited Reb Bull but it turned out differently to what you predicted as Red Bull didn't manage to qualify on the podium (1-2) but managed to come to the podium in the Grand Prix which Alonso won... but however, we will see how Japan would turn out for McLaren Also i've been watching F1 since 1996, but only knew half of the rules lool, I totally remember Michael Schumacher dominating in 1997, not bad for a 7 time World Champion (Unbeaten Record). Due to his come back season with Mercedes he's been doing alright, I wouldn't say he's poo but with some teams they set a certain position to achieve. But I wonder how he'll perform if you stuck him in a Ferrari like the old days. Plus the summer excitement of Michael Schumacher being the The Stig was alot to take in. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2010 22:44:54 GMT
The team orders row is one that will go on and on and never reach a satisfactory conclusion. I don't like the use of team orders and would be much happier if F1 adopted the way Indycar in America operates. Indycar has two and three cars teams yet each car operates independently to the extent that they have their own pit box, unlike F1 where two cars have to share a box. I think that method works so much better Why compare Indy 500 system to Formula One system? Formula One is much better then Indy 500 in many ways, what I do miss though is the re-fueling of the car which caused some nasty accident that I think brings some enjoyment to the game, however it may not be such an enjoyment for those who are involved like in the Singapore race were the Lotus engine got caught on fire... The driver of the car actually helped out the marshalls... by putting it out...  |
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Post by Trident on Sept 27, 2010 6:02:50 GMT
Well it's coming to be hard for the McLaren now as the last 4 race circuits are expected to suit the Red Bull, especially Suzuka in 2 weeks with its combination of high speed corners. But we will wait and see if McLaren have closed the gap with their new front wing Hmm, You've also said that Singapore suited Reb Bull but it turned out differently to what you predicted as Red Bull didn't manage to qualify on the podium (1-2) but managed to come to the podium in the Grand Prix which Alonso won... but however, we will see how Japan would turn out for McLaren Also i've been watching F1 since 1996, but only knew half of the rules lool, I totally remember Michael Schumacher dominating in 1997, not bad for a 7 time World Champion (Unbeaten Record). Due to his come back season with Mercedes he's been doing alright, I wouldn't say he's sh*t but with some teams they set a certain position to achieve. But I wonder how he'll perform if you stuck him in a Ferrari like the old days. Plus the summer excitement of Michael Schumacher being the The Stig was alot to take in. Yeah Red Bull had a messy Q3 which explains why they were 2nd and 5th, but they managed to turn it around in the race. Paul, been watching it since the Hakkinen/Schumi days As for Michael Schumacher, i think Mercedes produced a car which would suit Rosberg better which could explain why Schumacher is being outperformed by Rosberg this season. |
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Post by Paul on Sept 27, 2010 10:10:58 GMT
Plus the summer excitement of Michael Schumacher being the The Stig was alot to take in. That was never the case. They only put Schumacher under the white helmet because there was so much media speculation (correct as it turned out!) that Ben Collins was The Stig. Putting Schumacher under the helmet for one day only was a way of deflecting the speculation Additionally, Top Gear had Michael Schumacher's own, personal, Ferrari FXX on the track and Schumacher wouldn't allow anyone else to drive it. Can't say I blame him; if I splashed out $1million on a car I wasn't even allowed to keep at home I sure as hell wouldn't let anyone else drive it either!! And when The Stig was seen messing about in the Liana, while it was supposed to be Schumacher it was actually Collins. Just read Ben Collins' book; bloody good read actually Why compare Indy 500 system to Formula One system? Formula One is much better then Indy 500 in many ways..... I don't deny that F1 is 'better' than Indycar but there are ways Indycar does things that are so much better than the F1 way. The pit boxes are just one of those things. Rather than two cars sharing one pit box, the American teams have one pit box each. The F1 way inherently ends up favouring one driver in a team over the other; the Indycar way does not Just as a point of interest do you actually watch any Indycar racing or are you what I like to call an 'F1 snob?' There's no offence intended in that statement, it's just that I find a lot of F1 fans look down their noses at other forms of motorsport, especially something like Indycar, even though they rarely watch it As for Michael Schumacher, i think Mercedes produced a car which would suit Rosberg better which could explain why Schumacher is being outperformed by Rosberg this season. Mercedes actually produced a car that would probably suit Jenson Button more than anyone! Don't forget, teams lay out the designs for the following year's car very early. The designs for the 2011 cars are already massively advanced and I don't doubt that some teams have already touched upon their 2012 cars as well! Button's move to McLaren came very, very late in the day. It was expected that Brawn/Mercedes would field Button and Nico Rosberg in 2011 but then Button wandered off to McLaren. Michael Schumacher was then tempted back but he needs a very specific type of car and the Mercedes was not it. Another massive factor in Schumacher's struggles is the tyres. The narrower front tyres for this season just don't give Schumacher the grip he needs for his aggressive turn-in to a corner. This has all added up to him being beaten - quite comprehensively - by his team-mate. If he wasn't Michael Schumacher he would be in massive danger of losing his ride. As it is, I have a suspicion that he'll test the new Pirelli tyres at the end of the season and make his decision on 2011 based on his initial experiences with the Pirellis. If they give him the grip he needs at the front then he'll carry on into 2011; if not, I think he'll retire I never liked Schumacher. I didn't like his on-track behaviour or his attitude towards team-mates. I did, however, massively admire his ability behind a steering wheel. It's why I do not want to see Schumacher's career petering out with him pootling around the midfield. He should be racing at the front and if that's not possible he needs to retire |
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But both drivers are driving extremely well this season, I must say... 
