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Post by VPL630 on Oct 4, 2015 20:35:51 GMT
Those 167 ed's are 37 foot. That's roughly 11.2 meters. They're not good on the route. I know a few people have said well I've been on it end to end and it seemed fine. Try being at the front and ask the drivers. They manage yes by doing something tfl don't like.. Sweeping the kerb with the overhang. I think it was mentioned in another thread that they moved because of the recent incidents with the EDs. It will be interesting to see if new buses will be purchased before the next contract starts, bearing in mind the contract ends soon. All I know the 8.9m SEs do not help with the problems of overcrowding, however this not necessarily Blue Triangles fault. Although the problem could be (slightly) remedied by Double Decking the 368, moving 368s SEs to the 167, and giving the 167s longer EDs to the W19. (I'd welcome the SENs on the W19 but 10.8m buses aren't ideal at the junctions on Fairlop Road/ Hainault Road/ James Lane) I genuinely do not know why the 157 hasn't been addressed, maybe people that live on the route do not contact TfL when the there's poor service or overcrowding. Since when did TFL never like that, I've certainly not heard anything about them not liking you sweeping the kerb, It's not like you have a choice in some places |
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Post by routew15 on Oct 4, 2015 20:55:23 GMT
Those 167 ed's are 37 foot. That's roughly 11.2 meters. They're not good on the route. I know a few people have said well I've been on it end to end and it seemed fine. Try being at the front and ask the drivers. They manage yes by doing something tfl don't like.. Sweeping the kerb with the overhang. I think it was mentioned in another thread that they moved because of the recent incidents with the EDs. It will be interesting to see if new buses will be purchased before the next contract starts, bearing in mind the contract ends soon. All I know the 8.9m SEs do not help with the problems of overcrowding, however this not necessarily Blue Triangles fault. Although the problem could be (slightly) remedied by Double Decking the 368, moving 368s SEs to the 167, and giving the 167s longer EDs to the W19. (I'd welcome the SENs on the W19 but 10.8m buses aren't ideal at the junctions on Fairlop Road/ Hainault Road/ James Lane) I genuinely do not know why the 157 hasn't been addressed, maybe people that live on the route do not contact TfL when the there's poor service or overcrowding. Are they not? I can hardly tell to be honest. The only time I'd say I notice is when longer buses get quite close to the tree on the corner of James Lane (heading to Walthamstow). |
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Post by 6HP502C on Oct 4, 2015 21:46:13 GMT
I'd beg to differ on that - having moved back to South London, I find the 40 as unusable as ever - the day Go Ahead takes over can't come soon enough. Abellio are also still up to the usual tricks with the N35 - Clapham Common to Clapham Junction is a section operated on an optional basis on weekends, whilst they're still dumping passengers and running buses dead between London Bridge/Elephant and Brixton. Again, it's no disappointment from the passenger's perspective that Go Ahead will be taking it over. When using the 343 the other day I was astonished to see a completely full 40 heading into the City near Borough Station at about 1730. I may be missing something but I'd expect the full loads to be heading south out of the City. I wonder if there had been an enormous gap in the service. The driver probably caught a gap along that corridor at the Elephant. It's an incredibly frustrating route to use - Abellio have been known to plug gaps in service by turning buses at a moment's notice, then make up the mileage at a time that is convenient to them - though to be fair, mileage runs are not unique to them. Regardless, nobody likes being dumped on the roadside without prior warning - locally, it's only Abellio who persist with doing this as a matter of course. The service regulation is what's annoying. I'm sure the EWT figure is very good, but the buses crawl along at 10mph more or less all day, every day. There are some regular drivers on there who in their aim for a perfect telematic score, generate next to zero forces with their driving - the controllers can't speed them up, so all buses end up being forced to run as fast as the slowest one. I'm fed up with the 40 - the high frequency of sudden curtailments, the endless hold backs and slow running, not to mention the decrepit state of some of the vehicles. The way it is run isn't at all typical of buses in London. The sooner it moves over the road, the better - the 68 and 185, run by Go Ahead are pleasant enough services to use. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 4, 2015 23:09:40 GMT
When using the 343 the other day I was astonished to see a completely full 40 heading into the City near Borough Station at about 1730. I may be missing something but I'd expect the full loads to be heading south out of the City. I wonder if there had been an enormous gap in the service. The driver probably caught a gap along that corridor at the Elephant. It's an incredibly frustrating route to use - Abellio have been known to plug gaps in service by turning buses at a moment's notice, then make up the mileage at a time that is convenient to them - though to be fair, mileage runs are not unique to them. Regardless, nobody likes being dumped on the roadside without prior warning - locally, it's only Abellio who persist with doing this as a matter of course. The service regulation is what's annoying. I'm sure the EWT figure is very good, but the buses crawl along at 10mph more or less all day, every day. There are some regular drivers on there who in their aim for a perfect telematic score, generate next to zero forces with their driving - the controllers can't speed them up, so all buses end up being forced to run as fast as the slowest one. I'm fed up with the 40 - the high frequency of sudden curtailments, the endless hold backs and slow running, not to mention the decrepit state of some of the vehicles. The way it is run isn't at all typical of buses in London. The sooner it moves over the road, the better - the 68 and 185, run by Go Ahead are pleasant enough services to use. I must of been lucky in that all my 40 journeys under Abellio have been fine lol, although admittedly, I'm not a regular user. Of the ones I've used quite a bit, the 157 is the most frustrating as the 3, 35, 109 & 415 all run fine personally and the P13 seems to have improved a bit. The 188 seems to be another struggling from various posts on here and elsewhere - as such, I tend to avoid it at all costs. I've yet to use the 201 since Abellio took over - wonder if the service is any better than the terrible service under East Thames Buses & Go-Ahead London? |
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Post by sid on Oct 5, 2015 6:43:45 GMT
The driver probably caught a gap along that corridor at the Elephant. It's an incredibly frustrating route to use - Abellio have been known to plug gaps in service by turning buses at a moment's notice, then make up the mileage at a time that is convenient to them - though to be fair, mileage runs are not unique to them. Regardless, nobody likes being dumped on the roadside without prior warning - locally, it's only Abellio who persist with doing this as a matter of course. The service regulation is what's annoying. I'm sure the EWT figure is very good, but the buses crawl along at 10mph more or less all day, every day. There are some regular drivers on there who in their aim for a perfect telematic score, generate next to zero forces with their driving - the controllers can't speed them up, so all buses end up being forced to run as fast as the slowest one. I'm fed up with the 40 - the high frequency of sudden curtailments, the endless hold backs and slow running, not to mention the decrepit state of some of the vehicles. The way it is run isn't at all typical of buses in London. The sooner it moves over the road, the better - the 68 and 185, run by Go Ahead are pleasant enough services to use. I must of been lucky in that all my 40 journeys under Abellio have been fine lol, although admittedly, I'm not a regular user. Of the ones I've used quite a bit, the 157 is the most frustrating as the 3, 35, 109 & 415 all run fine personally and the P13 seems to have improved a bit. The 188 seems to be another struggling from various posts on here and elsewhere - as such, I tend to avoid it at all costs. I've yet to use the 201 since Abellio took over - wonder if the service is any better than the terrible service under East Thames Buses & Go-Ahead London? The 201 has been fine when I've used it although I'm by no means a regular user. I heard a suggestion that the 157 was won on a cheap bid and so Abellio aren't in a position to throw more resources at it, hopefully things will change when it is retendered? |
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Post by paul55 on Oct 17, 2015 0:03:00 GMT
I see the TfL bus service change document has been updated. Clearly the peak travel crisis at Leytonstone is getting worse with more buses added to the W19 in the afternoon to give a x12 service (17.10.15) and also on the 339 in the AM peak (31.10.15)! The New Addington changes are also listed for the first time for 24 October (no surprises about that date  ). Can't wait to use the 359 on the first day to see the residents of Purley Downs Road lying on the road in protest.   According to Londonbusroutes.net the W19 morning peak service towards Walthamstow also gets extra buses on Mondays to Fridays. Service up to x10 at the busiest times. Both service improvements are confirmed in an email I've received from Tfl which also states: "This is in order to meet increased customer demand." Hopefully this will give some relief to passengers on this increasingly busy route. |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 17, 2015 12:01:33 GMT
I see the TfL bus service change document has been updated. Clearly the peak travel crisis at Leytonstone is getting worse with more buses added to the W19 in the afternoon to give a x12 service (17.10.15) and also on the 339 in the AM peak (31.10.15)! The New Addington changes are also listed for the first time for 24 October (no surprises about that date ). Can't wait to use the 359 on the first day to see the residents of Purley Downs Road lying on the road in protest. According to Londonbusroutes.net the W19 morning peak service towards Walthamstow also gets extra buses on Mondays to Fridays. Service up to x10 at the busiest times. Both service improvements are confirmed in an email I've received from Tfl which also states: "This is in order to meet increased customer demand." Hopefully this will give some relief to passengers on this increasingly busy route. I suspect that all that is happening is that as more buses are put on more people are turning up to use them. Clearly TfL are trying to respond to a severe problem but I am left wondering how far the problem stretches. Is it, as reported previously, south / east of Leytonstone or beyond Leytonstone towards Walthamstow. The reason for asking that is whether a double deck short working from Ilford to Leytonstone would be of greater benefit in mopping up the crowds. Obviously a double deck can't run through Whipps Cross Hospital. I also wonder whether the parlous performance on the W15 is also causing issues north of Leytonstone which means the W19 is taking more of the strain on that section? |
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Post by Unorm on Oct 23, 2015 18:06:13 GMT
Route 23's frequency reduced from every 6-7 to every 7-8 on 14th November.
Routes 11/23/133/N11/N133 rerouted from Liverpool Street Bus Station on the 21st November, due to Crossrail works.
11/23/N11 will be diverted via Princes Street and Moorgate to end at Finsbury Circus. And start at London Wall.
133/N133 will be diverted to set down and pick up on Wormwood Street.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 23, 2015 18:18:02 GMT
Route 23's frequency reduced from every 6-7 to every 7-8 on 14th November. Routes 11/23/133/N11/N133 rerouted from Liverpool Street Bus Station on the 21st November, due to Crossrail works. 11/23/N11 will be diverted via Princes Street and Moorgate to end at Finsbury Circus. And start at London Wall. 133/N133 will be diverted to set down and pick up on Wormwood Street. Well that's the 23's new contract with yet more Zone 1 frequency reductions. I know there has to be some disruption to actually build Crossrail but Liverpool St has certainly suffered more than its fair share of displaced services. |
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Post by paul55 on Oct 23, 2015 23:21:20 GMT
According to Londonbusroutes.net the W19 morning peak service towards Walthamstow also gets extra buses on Mondays to Fridays. Service up to x10 at the busiest times. Both service improvements are confirmed in an email I've received from Tfl which also states: "This is in order to meet increased customer demand." Hopefully this will give some relief to passengers on this increasingly busy route. I suspect that all that is happening is that as more buses are put on more people are turning up to use them. Clearly TfL are trying to respond to a severe problem but I am left wondering how far the problem stretches. Is it, as reported previously, south / east of Leytonstone or beyond Leytonstone towards Walthamstow. The reason for asking that is whether a double deck short working from Ilford to Leytonstone would be of greater benefit in mopping up the crowds. Obviously a double deck can't run through Whipps Cross Hospital. I also wonder whether the parlous performance on the W15 is also causing issues north of Leytonstone which means the W19 is taking more of the strain on that section? Apologies for the delay in responding. During the morning peak, buses are very heavily loaded from the Romford Road through to Whipps Cross. Passenger observations submitted to Tfl a year ago showed buses routinely running at capacity & people being left behind at various stops along this section of the W19. Some journeys are so busy crossing Leytonstone Town Centre that they are unable to accomodate additional passengers waiting at Leytonstone Station. A peak hour double-deck journey might alleviate some of the capacity issues. However, terminating at Leytonstone Station would probably result in even more people attempting to board buses towards Walthamstow. Running to Whipps Cross via James Lane and Whipps Cross Road but omitting the hospital could be an alternative. Another difficulty would be deciding how to time the double-deck journey for optimum effect. For example, students heading for schools & colleges in Waltham Forest might require an earlier start than primary school pupils travelling to Alderbrook school. Commuters and people needing to get to Whipps Cross Hospital for work, visiting or as patients could be another factor. It is possible that increasing the number of jouneys per hour is the best way to cater for all these requirements. |
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Post by rmz19 on Oct 23, 2015 23:36:44 GMT
Route 23's frequency reduced from every 6-7 to every 7-8 on 14th November. Routes 11/23/133/N11/N133 rerouted from Liverpool Street Bus Station on the 21st November, due to Crossrail works. 11/23/N11 will be diverted via Princes Street and Moorgate to end at Finsbury Circus. And start at London Wall. 133/N133 will be diverted to set down and pick up on Wormwood Street. Avoid the 23 for a few years then! Not a good move at all. |
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Post by routew15 on Oct 26, 2015 18:52:57 GMT
Route 23's frequency reduced from every 6-7 to every 7-8 on 14th November. Routes 11/23/133/N11/N133 rerouted from Liverpool Street Bus Station on the 21st November, due to Crossrail works. 11/23/N11 will be diverted via Princes Street and Moorgate to end at Finsbury Circus. And start at London Wall. 133/N133 will be diverted to set down and pick up on Wormwood Street. Is it clear when the routes will return to the bus station? As I believe the 153 and 214 are meant to return to station in Decemebrr... |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 26, 2015 19:30:32 GMT
Route 23's frequency reduced from every 6-7 to every 7-8 on 14th November. Routes 11/23/133/N11/N133 rerouted from Liverpool Street Bus Station on the 21st November, due to Crossrail works. 11/23/N11 will be diverted via Princes Street and Moorgate to end at Finsbury Circus. And start at London Wall. 133/N133 will be diverted to set down and pick up on Wormwood Street. Is it clear when the routes will return to the bus station? As I believe the 153 and 214 are meant to return to station in Decemebrr... I think Liverpool St Crossrail is beginning to resemble Custom House Crossrail in terms of the extent and duration of disruption to the surrounding area. The site has had a lot of difficulties, partly archeologcial, and I suspect they're a bit behind schedule. I suspect it will be a fair number of months before access to the bus station is restored. That's a guess on my part but the number and scale of diversions has been growing and they keep being reinstated rather then being "over and done with". |
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Post by Unorm on Oct 26, 2015 19:59:23 GMT
Route 23's frequency reduced from every 6-7 to every 7-8 on 14th November. Routes 11/23/133/N11/N133 rerouted from Liverpool Street Bus Station on the 21st November, due to Crossrail works. 11/23/N11 will be diverted via Princes Street and Moorgate to end at Finsbury Circus. And start at London Wall. 133/N133 will be diverted to set down and pick up on Wormwood Street. Is it clear when the routes will return to the bus station? As I believe the 153 and 214 are meant to return to station in Decemebrr... From what I've seen, there's no date of return for 11/etc. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 26, 2015 21:13:34 GMT
Route 23's frequency reduced from every 6-7 to every 7-8 on 14th November. Routes 11/23/133/N11/N133 rerouted from Liverpool Street Bus Station on the 21st November, due to Crossrail works. 11/23/N11 will be diverted via Princes Street and Moorgate to end at Finsbury Circus. And start at London Wall. 133/N133 will be diverted to set down and pick up on Wormwood Street. Is it clear when the routes will return to the bus station? As I believe the 153 and 214 are meant to return to station in Decemebrr... Just brilliant! The 133 was pencilled in for an end to end journey sometime in the next few months. |
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). Can't wait to use the 359 on the first day to see the residents of Purley Downs Road lying on the road in protest. 
