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Post by vjaska on Mar 9, 2016 18:24:58 GMT
Out of interest, does that mean the section in the Borough of Hackney will be left without segregated cycle lanes and remain as it is? |
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Post by routew15 on Mar 9, 2016 18:52:07 GMT
Out of interest, does that mean the section in the Borough of Hackney will be left without segregated cycle lanes and remain as it is? The last time I read something (will search for said something) that Hackney did not want / would not take the cycle track any further than Chatsworth Road (or even Hillstowe Street). This is due to the fact LBH believe that cyclist wouldn't use it as the Quietways is seen as a faster alternative for those traveling to the city. I'm not sure if they still have this stance but LBH were known for not really being big fans of building segregated lanes on main roads, they have previously objected to Stoke Newington getting cycle lanes. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 19:17:34 GMT
Of course it got approved; it doesn't help cars and buses! If they want to improve accessibility for bus stops, at least put the bus shelter on the other side of the cycle lane. I don't think it would be good for the elderly to cross a cycle lane on when their bus is coming. Sometimes, it could even be like for them trying to cross the London Marathon! |
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Post by routew15 on Mar 9, 2016 22:22:27 GMT
Of course it got approved; it doesn't help cars and buses! If they want to improve accessibility for bus stops, at least put the bus shelter on the other side of the cycle lane. I don't think it would be good for the elderly to cross a cycle lane on when their bus is coming. Sometimes, it could even be like for them trying to cross the London Marathon! I expect these scheme will be approved by TfL after some minor changes. In my opinion, Lea Bridge Road is to narrow for segregated cycle lanes. There are many roads where the Mini Holland project will be more attractive for cycling. I don't think Lea Bridge Road will encourage more cycling for those that use it as a rat run / through passage, it could just lead to further congestion and traffic on the A12. This scheme is the true test for the Mini Holland project none of the other 'Villages' of work have directly had plans to change the main roads of the borough (I recognise that seperate cycling schemes have taken place on Blackhorse Road, Selbourne Road and Hoe Street but these aren't apart of the Mini Holland project). If Waltham Forest get this right with minimal disruption then this MH project could be hailed a success. If they mess it up like CS2 has been then there could be grumbles from locals and businesses. |
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Post by snoggle on Mar 9, 2016 22:32:55 GMT
Of course it got approved; it doesn't help cars and buses! If they want to improve accessibility for bus stops, at least put the bus shelter on the other side of the cycle lane. I don't think it would be good for the elderly to cross a cycle lane on when their bus is coming. Sometimes, it could even be like for them trying to cross the London Marathon! I expect these scheme will be approved by TfL after some minor changes. In my opinion, Lea Bridge Road is to narrow for segregated cycle lanes. There are many roads where the Mini Holland project will be more attractive for cycling. I don't think Lea Bridge Road will encourage more cycling for those that use it as a rat run / through passage, it could just lead to further congestion and traffic on the A12. This scheme is the true test for the Mini Holland project none of the other 'Villages' of work have directly had plans to change the main roads of the borough (I recognise that seperate cycling schemes have taken place on Blackhorse Road, Selbourne Road and Hoe Street but these aren't apart of the Mini Holland project). If Waltham Forest get this right with minimal disruption then this MH project could be hailed a success. If they mess it up like CS2 has been then there could be grumbles from locals and businesses. I am probably wrong but I thought some of the Hoe St stuff was part of Mini Holland given it fringes the "Village" area. Forest Road is next in line to be turned into an utter mess courtesy of the Mini Holland and that will stretch all the way from Ferry Boat Inn to at least Wood St. How the heck you do much between Blackhorse Rd and the Bell I don't know. It's too narrow, the pavements are narrow and there is too much permitted parking close to the Pretoria Avenue which can cause the 123s to go on the wrong side of the road as they can't get round the central traffic islands in the space between too parked cars. Was bad enough with short VLAs but I imagine the long ones have a dreadful time. I think the plan also involves the loss of the w/b bus lane on Ferry Lane which will be a travesty. |
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Post by routew15 on Mar 9, 2016 23:12:21 GMT
I expect these scheme will be approved by TfL after some minor changes. In my opinion, Lea Bridge Road is to narrow for segregated cycle lanes. There are many roads where the Mini Holland project will be more attractive for cycling. I don't think Lea Bridge Road will encourage more cycling for those that use it as a rat run / through passage, it could just lead to further congestion and traffic on the A12. This scheme is the true test for the Mini Holland project none of the other 'Villages' of work have directly had plans to change the main roads of the borough (I recognise that seperate cycling schemes have taken place on Blackhorse Road, Selbourne Road and Hoe Street but these aren't apart of the Mini Holland project). If Waltham Forest get this right with minimal disruption then this MH project could be hailed a success. If they mess it up like CS2 has been then there could be grumbles from locals and businesses. I am probably wrong but I thought some of the Hoe St stuff was part of Mini Holland given it fringes the "Village" area. Forest Road is next in line to be turned into an utter mess courtesy of the Mini Holland and that will stretch all the way from Ferry Boat Inn to at least Wood St. How the heck you do much between Blackhorse Rd and the Bell I don't know. It's too narrow, the pavements are narrow and there is too much permitted parking close to the Pretoria Avenue which can cause the 123s to go on the wrong side of the road as they can't get round the central traffic islands in the space between too parked cars. Was bad enough with short VLAs but I imagine the long ones have a dreadful time. I think the plan also involves the loss of the w/b bus lane on Ferry Lane which will be a travesty. The Copenhagen Crossings are Mini Holland. The stepped cycle lanes on Blackhorse Lane / Road, *Hoe Street, Billet Lane are only in association with the MH scheme but it appears to be seperate TfL funding (Hoe Street, Grove Road to Granville Road - I believe this is funded by the Barclays School Academy ) . Selbourne Road is not the funded by the Quietways scheme but The Mayor’s Air Quality Fund. |
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Post by Unorm on Mar 12, 2016 12:33:39 GMT
I see LBR has an update about routes 153/214 return to Liverpool Street, no date at all. (And previous timetable reinstated)
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Post by snoggle on Apr 8, 2016 22:05:31 GMT
The TfL latest bus service changes document has had a bumper update. Highlights 24 April - various routes affected by the Aldgate works resume normal routes and frequencies. 30 April - detail on improved frequencies on routes in East London. 145 to be diverted at Dagenham despite consultation not concluding! 23 and 153 return to Liverpool St bus station but no word on the 11, 133 or 214. 328/N28/N31 frequency changes. 35(night) frequency improvements. 3 May - diversions at London Bridge because of the change to construction sites and affect on Tooley Street. I assume Network Rail are making changes over the May Bank Holiday weekend. 7 May - extra peak buses on 81 and 147. Oddly no mention about the 318 / 349 tweak at Stamford Hill.  |
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Post by bigbaddom1981 on Apr 8, 2016 22:08:29 GMT
The TfL latest bus service changes document has had a bumper update. Highlights 24 April - various routes affected by the Aldgate works resume normal routes and frequencies. 30 April - detail on improved frequencies on routes in East London. 145 to be diverted at Dagenham despite consultation not concluding! 23 and 153 return to Liverpool St bus station but no word on the 11, 133 or 214. 328/N28/N31 frequency changes. 35(night) frequency improvements. 3 May - diversions at London Bridge because of the change to construction sites and affect on Tooley Street. I assume Network Rail are making changes over the May Bank Holiday weekend. 7 May - extra peak buses on 81 and 147. Oddly no mention about the 318 / 349 tweak at Stamford Hill. I got an email from tfl telling me about the changes to route 349 |
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Post by routew15 on Apr 8, 2016 22:30:44 GMT
The TfL latest bus service changes document has had a bumper update. Highlights 24 April - various routes affected by the Aldgate works resume normal routes and frequencies. 30 April - detail on improved frequencies on routes in East London. 145 to be diverted at Dagenham despite consultation not concluding! 23 and 153 return to Liverpool St bus station but no word on the 11, 133 or 214. 328/N28/N31 frequency changes. 35(night) frequency improvements. 3 May - diversions at London Bridge because of the change to construction sites and affect on Tooley Street. I assume Network Rail are making changes over the May Bank Holiday weekend. 7 May - extra peak buses on 81 and 147. Oddly no mention about the 318 / 349 tweak at Stamford Hill. Not to mention that the 205 will now being heading towards Crossharbour.  The consultation report did say the changes to the 145 would proceed and would take place in April. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 8, 2016 22:42:02 GMT
The TfL latest bus service changes document has had a bumper update. Highlights 24 April - various routes affected by the Aldgate works resume normal routes and frequencies. 30 April - detail on improved frequencies on routes in East London. 145 to be diverted at Dagenham despite consultation not concluding! 23 and 153 return to Liverpool St bus station but no word on the 11, 133 or 214. 328/N28/N31 frequency changes. 35(night) frequency improvements. 3 May - diversions at London Bridge because of the change to construction sites and affect on Tooley Street. I assume Network Rail are making changes over the May Bank Holiday weekend. 7 May - extra peak buses on 81 and 147. Oddly no mention about the 318 / 349 tweak at Stamford Hill. Not to mention that the 205 will now being heading towards Crossharbour. The consultation report did say the changes to the 145 would proceed and would take place in April. It also says the 115 will be rerouted however it's not clear at all what is actually going on and if the route will resume serving Aldgate. For a document published to inform the public TfL really should be doing a better job, especially considering they're a professional company. |
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Post by routew15 on Apr 8, 2016 22:46:37 GMT
Not to mention that the 205 will now being heading towards Crossharbour. The consultation report did say the changes to the 145 would proceed and would take place in April. It also says the 115 will be rerouted however it's not clear at all what is actually going on and if the route will resume serving Aldgate. For a document published to inform the public TfL really should be doing a better job, especially considering they're a professional company. Not to mention the fact that the spider diagrams for Aldgate most probably won't be updated until who knows when, so getting accurate information on the changes to the area will be difficult. A continued mess that is Aldgate! I hope lessons are learnt.. |
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Post by snoggle on Apr 8, 2016 22:48:36 GMT
It also says the 115 will be rerouted however it's not clear at all what is actually going on and if the route will resume serving Aldgate. For a document published to inform the public TfL really should be doing a better job, especially considering they're a professional company. Not to mention the fact that the spider diagrams for Aldgate most probably won't be updated until who knows when, so getting accurate information on the changes to the area will be difficult. A continued mess that is Aldgate! I hope lessons are learnt.. Given the local map was updated for the Aldgate consultation I'd expect the Aldgate map to be the easier one to update but I take your point! |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 9, 2016 0:00:57 GMT
Not to mention that the 205 will now being heading towards Crossharbour. The consultation report did say the changes to the 145 would proceed and would take place in April. It also says the 115 will be rerouted however it's not clear at all what is actually going on and if the route will resume serving Aldgate. For a document published to inform the public TfL really should be doing a better job, especially considering they're a professional company. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the 115 & 254 serving Aldgate again from 24th April? The 40 resumes running to Aldgate from the 30th April. |
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Post by snoggle on Apr 9, 2016 8:48:38 GMT
It also says the 115 will be rerouted however it's not clear at all what is actually going on and if the route will resume serving Aldgate. For a document published to inform the public TfL really should be doing a better job, especially considering they're a professional company. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the 115 & 254 serving Aldgate again from 24th April? The 40 resumes running to Aldgate from the 30th April. It's implied but isn't 100% clear from the document which is routeW15's point. Even the description of the revised N35 weekend service is a mess. Why they didn't just say "buses run every 15 minutes from Shoreditch to Clapham Junction with extra buses, also every 15 minutes, between Shoreditch and Brixton". The language used suggests there are two services rather than one which is clumsy (to me anyway!)). Just looked at that change document again. I think the entry for the 205 should really be for the 135. Also the entry for the 366 is wonderful - "Frequency increased during Monday to Saturday daytimes from every 12 to every 10 minutes and on Sundays and all evenings throughout the week from every 15 to every 20 minutes." Since when is going from x15 to x20 an increase in frequency? Clearly they've got the text the wrong way round! |
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