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Post by DT 11 on Jan 16, 2015 10:24:51 GMT
I hardly see this as poor change as the 453 is still there. It makes sense so buses do not get clogged up in the severe delays. The 53 is curtailed to Lambeth North whenever disruption occurs in Westminster anyway, I can see why this is being done, there is really no point of the 53 going through severe delays in Parliament Square just to get a few people to Whitehall pretty much the end of the route, then on return being curtailed to even more unhelpful destinations such as New Cross Gate, Deptford Bridge & Blackheath, Royal Standard when it can avoided the busier section is Elephant & Castle to Woolwich, whenever I have used the 53 to Westminster only a few people are on the bus after New Kent Road. The 453 is still running full service I assume so disrupted users will have to use the 453. It's more than a few people, it's not uncommon for the 53 to pick up a near full load at the first stop so I don't see how the 453 is going to cope. Indeed, but unfortunately those people are going to have to find other alternatives to travel or walk. In addition Neither is it uncommon when gaps appear on the 53 larger amounts of people are waiting in Elephant & Castle to fill up 1 or more buses to go to Woolwich, the most demanding section of the 53 is between Elephant & Castle and Woolwich, so I think it is right to cut the route to Lambeth North Temporarily to maintain a decent service on the 53, because if the 53 went ahead going full route, the 53 will end up full of curtailments at probably useless places along the route such as New Cross Gate, Bricklayer's Arms, Deptford Bridge and even Blackheath, Royal Standard and become unreliable for the duration of roadworks. The 12 & 453 are also going to suffer delays, the 453 covers the 53 up to Deptford so the bus users already have another bus. |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 16, 2015 10:49:08 GMT
It's more than a few people, it's not uncommon for the 53 to pick up a near full load at the first stop so I don't see how the 453 is going to cope. Indeed, but unfortunately those people are going to have to find other alternatives to travel or walk. In addition Neither is it uncommon when gaps appear on the 53 larger amounts of people are waiting in Elephant & Castle to fill up 1 or more buses to go to Woolwich, the most demanding section of the 53 is between Elephant & Castle and Woolwich, so I think it is right to cut the route to Lambeth North Temporarily to maintain a decent service on the 53, because if the 53 went ahead going full route, the 53 will end up full of curtailments at probably useless places along the route such as New Cross Gate, Bricklayer's Arms, Deptford Bridge and even Blackheath, Royal Standard and become unreliable for the duration of roadworks. The 12 & 453 are also going to suffer delays, the 453 covers the 53 up to Deptford so the bus users already have another bus. Judging from comments on Twitter people in SE London are not happy at all with the 53's curtailment especially when they thought it was possibly permanent. I know there are the issues you cite but people just immediately react on the basis of their own journeys being affected. To answer another query I checked the roadworks register last night and it is Bridge St (between the Square and the Bridge) that is having its e/b carriageway rebuilt. This is shown as lasting 2 months so the curtailment looks to last until April (start date shown as early Feb). Westminster City Council are doing the works. |
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 16, 2015 11:01:38 GMT
Indeed, but unfortunately those people are going to have to find other alternatives to travel or walk. In addition Neither is it uncommon when gaps appear on the 53 larger amounts of people are waiting in Elephant & Castle to fill up 1 or more buses to go to Woolwich, the most demanding section of the 53 is between Elephant & Castle and Woolwich, so I think it is right to cut the route to Lambeth North Temporarily to maintain a decent service on the 53, because if the 53 went ahead going full route, the 53 will end up full of curtailments at probably useless places along the route such as New Cross Gate, Bricklayer's Arms, Deptford Bridge and even Blackheath, Royal Standard and become unreliable for the duration of roadworks. The 12 & 453 are also going to suffer delays, the 453 covers the 53 up to Deptford so the bus users already have another bus. Judging from comments on Twitter people in SE London are not happy at all with the 53's curtailment especially when they thought it was possibly permanent. I know there are the issues you cite but people just immediately react on the basis of their own journeys being affected. To answer another query I checked the roadworks register last night and it is Bridge St (between the Square and the Bridge) that is having its e/b carriageway rebuilt. This is shown as lasting 2 months so the curtailment looks to last until April (start date shown as early Feb). Westminster City Council are doing the works. Twitter always generates bad comments lol. Even from watching the complainers last year the TFL episode. I don't blame them though, there are too much roadworks going on disruptiing everyones journeys, but the 453 is there. |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 16, 2015 11:06:19 GMT
Judging from comments on Twitter people in SE London are not happy at all with the 53's curtailment especially when they thought it was possibly permanent. I know there are the issues you cite but people just immediately react on the basis of their own journeys being affected. To answer another query I checked the roadworks register last night and it is Bridge St (between the Square and the Bridge) that is having its e/b carriageway rebuilt. This is shown as lasting 2 months so the curtailment looks to last until April (start date shown as early Feb). Westminster City Council are doing the works. Twitter always generates bad comments lol. Even from watching the complainers last year the TFL episode. I don't blame them though, there are too much roadworks going on disruptiing everyones journeys, but the 453 is there. The TfL Bus Status page for the 53 for Saturday says this. |
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Post by John tuthill on Jan 16, 2015 14:06:14 GMT
Twitter always generates bad comments lol. Even from watching the complainers last year the TFL episode. I don't blame them though, there are too much roadworks going on disruptiing everyones journeys, but the 453 is there. The TfL Bus Status page for the 53 for Saturday says this. So why isn't it diverted via the Embankment & Horse Guards Avenue? What about route 12? |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 16, 2015 14:47:11 GMT
The TfL Bus Status page for the 53 for Saturday says this. So why isn't it diverted via the Embankment & Horse Guards Avenue? What about route 12? The 12 is getting a frequency decrease to give more running time. The 148 is supposed to be curtailed at Shepherds Bush for the same reason. Not sure about the 159, 211 or 453 which will also be affected. I suspect TfL may be worried that congestion may stretch right across Westminster Bridge and on to the Embankment thus making a diversion not feasible in terms of reliable operation. As I've already said we are going to have shedloads of this when TfL start rebuilding Vauxhall, Elephant and Castle and putting in the E-W and N-S cycle superhighways. The scale of disruption and altered schedules, curtailments etc will make the 53 change look like a picnic in comparison. |
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Post by sid on Jan 16, 2015 15:11:14 GMT
So why isn't it diverted via the Embankment & Horse Guards Avenue? What about route 12? The 12 is getting a frequency decrease to give more running time. The 148 is supposed to be curtailed at Shepherds Bush for the same reason. Not sure about the 159, 211 or 453 which will also be affected. I suspect TfL may be worried that congestion may stretch right across Westminster Bridge and on to the Embankment thus making a diversion not feasible in terms of reliable operation. As I've already said we are going to have shedloads of this when TfL start rebuilding Vauxhall, Elephant and Castle and putting in the E-W and N-S cycle superhighways. The scale of disruption and altered schedules, curtailments etc will make the 53 change look like a picnic in comparison. Which of course isn't a vaild argument against cycle superhighways. Anyway if the 53 was diverted via the Embankment it wouldn't be part of the same queue on Westminster Bridge. As for the 148, Westfields is a popular destination so I can't see that going down too well. |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 16, 2015 15:13:40 GMT
The 12 is getting a frequency decrease to give more running time. The 148 is supposed to be curtailed at Shepherds Bush for the same reason. Not sure about the 159, 211 or 453 which will also be affected. I suspect TfL may be worried that congestion may stretch right across Westminster Bridge and on to the Embankment thus making a diversion not feasible in terms of reliable operation. As I've already said we are going to have shedloads of this when TfL start rebuilding Vauxhall, Elephant and Castle and putting in the E-W and N-S cycle superhighways. The scale of disruption and altered schedules, curtailments etc will make the 53 change look like a picnic in comparison. Which of course isn't a vaild argument against cycle superhighways. Anyway if the 53 was diverted via the Embankment it wouldn't be part of the same queue on Westminster Bridge. As for the 148, Westfields is a popular destination so I can't see that going down too well. I made no comment about the value or otherwise of cycle superhighways. |
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Post by sid on Jan 16, 2015 15:15:17 GMT
Which of course isn't a vaild argument against cycle superhighways. Anyway if the 53 was diverted via the Embankment it wouldn't be part of the same queue on Westminster Bridge. As for the 148, Westfields is a popular destination so I can't see that going down too well. I made no comment about the value or otherwise of cycle superhighways. Indeed you didn't but no doubt somebody will before long  |
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Post by danorak on Jan 16, 2015 16:16:05 GMT
It's more than a few people, it's not uncommon for the 53 to pick up a near full load at the first stop so I don't see how the 453 is going to cope. Indeed, but unfortunately those people are going to have to find other alternatives to travel or walk. While I can see the logic of it during the roadworks, for some of us, the 53 is already the alternative following the loss of direct Charing Cross trains. TfL has not done a great job with the publicity: the iBus announcement does not say whether the change is temporary, and if so, for how long. People will naturally think the worst and it's only thanks to some digging by a local blogger and a certain Mr Corfield that details have emerged. As a regular user, I'd have expected an email triggered by my Oyster usage. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 16, 2015 17:41:38 GMT
It's more than a few people, it's not uncommon for the 53 to pick up a near full load at the first stop so I don't see how the 453 is going to cope. Indeed, but unfortunately those people are going to have to find other alternatives to travel or walk. In addition Neither is it uncommon when gaps appear on the 53 larger amounts of people are waiting in Elephant & Castle to fill up 1 or more buses to go to Woolwich, the most demanding section of the 53 is between Elephant & Castle and Woolwich, so I think it is right to cut the route to Lambeth North Temporarily to maintain a decent service on the 53, because if the 53 went ahead going full route, the 53 will end up full of curtailments at probably useless places along the route such as New Cross Gate, Bricklayer's Arms, Deptford Bridge and even Blackheath, Royal Standard and become unreliable for the duration of roadworks. The 12 & 453 are also going to suffer delays, the 453 covers the 53 up to Deptford so the bus users already have another bus. I somehow thought you'd disagree with me, TL 1. I use the 53 a lot, and this badly publicised (at least temporary) change has engendered an awful lot of ill feeling. I don't really want to have to change buses. In miserable January/February weather, I don't really want to walk. Regardless of the roadworks, this is a badly thought out curtailment that has already upset a lot of people, myself included. And no, I do NOT want a raft of other possibilities listed again. |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 16, 2015 18:21:45 GMT
The 12 is getting a frequency decrease to give more running time. The 148 is supposed to be curtailed at Shepherds Bush for the same reason. Not sure about the 159, 211 or 453 which will also be affected. I suspect TfL may be worried that congestion may stretch right across Westminster Bridge and on to the Embankment thus making a diversion not feasible in terms of reliable operation. As I've already said we are going to have shedloads of this when TfL start rebuilding Vauxhall, Elephant and Castle and putting in the E-W and N-S cycle superhighways. The scale of disruption and altered schedules, curtailments etc will make the 53 change look like a picnic in comparison. Which of course isn't a vaild argument against cycle superhighways. Anyway if the 53 was diverted via the Embankment it wouldn't be part of the same queue on Westminster Bridge. As for the 148, Westfields is a popular destination so I can't see that going down too well. I think your underestimating what happens to traffic when the original route has works going on. Of course plenty of drivers are going to switch to The Embankment to avoid Bridge Street and Parliament Square. Westfield is indeed a popular destination but unlike the 53, there are plenty of other routes that serve Westfield. |
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 16, 2015 18:55:24 GMT
Indeed, but unfortunately those people are going to have to find other alternatives to travel or walk. In addition Neither is it uncommon when gaps appear on the 53 larger amounts of people are waiting in Elephant & Castle to fill up 1 or more buses to go to Woolwich, the most demanding section of the 53 is between Elephant & Castle and Woolwich, so I think it is right to cut the route to Lambeth North Temporarily to maintain a decent service on the 53, because if the 53 went ahead going full route, the 53 will end up full of curtailments at probably useless places along the route such as New Cross Gate, Bricklayer's Arms, Deptford Bridge and even Blackheath, Royal Standard and become unreliable for the duration of roadworks. The 12 & 453 are also going to suffer delays, the 453 covers the 53 up to Deptford so the bus users already have another bus. I somehow thought you'd disagree with me, TL 1. I use the 53 a lot, and this badly publicised (at least temporary) change has engendered an awful lot of ill feeling. I don't really want to have to change buses. In miserable January/February weather, I don't really want to walk. Regardless of the roadworks, this is a badly thought out curtailment that has already upset a lot of people, myself included. And no, I do NOT want a raft of other possibilities listed again. I don't blame you for not being happy about the change, but if the 53 was cut to Lambeth North Permanently I would not agree because the 53 is a busy trunk route, hopefully the works will not be delayed further as to delay your morning journeys any further. In 2013 when Ladywell Road was closed the 284 became a crap service because of Roadworks which went on months after the advertised date, roadworks never really finish on time in London from what I have seen |
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 16, 2015 19:13:20 GMT
The 12 is getting a frequency decrease to give more running time. The 148 is supposed to be curtailed at Shepherds Bush for the same reason. Not sure about the 159, 211 or 453 which will also be affected. I suspect TfL may be worried that congestion may stretch right across Westminster Bridge and on to the Embankment thus making a diversion not feasible in terms of reliable operation. As I've already said we are going to have shedloads of this when TfL start rebuilding Vauxhall, Elephant and Castle and putting in the E-W and N-S cycle superhighways. The scale of disruption and altered schedules, curtailments etc will make the 53 change look like a picnic in comparison. Which of course isn't a vaild argument against cycle superhighways. Anyway if the 53 was diverted via the Embankment it wouldn't be part of the same queue on Westminster Bridge. As for the 148, Westfields is a popular destination so I can't see that going down too well. Shepherds Bush Station is the main stop for Westfields, from using the 148 betwen White City & Shepherds Bush it usually carries thin air. Too many people should not have an issue with the 148 as most people start boarding from Shepherds Bush Station. Plus the 148 goes the long way to get to White City whilst all other routes like the 31 take the quick route. For some point last year the 148 was stopping at Shepherds Bush anyways. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 16, 2015 19:20:13 GMT
I don't see how cutting the 148 to Shepherd's bush is a problem. Most people get off there as it's quicker to get to the shopping centre from there
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