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Post by greenboy on May 24, 2021 15:44:07 GMT
There were reports of a new stand materialising at Marble Arch in another thread, I don't think the 414 will be taking the 159s spot. Doesn't rule out the 94 though if the North Row stand wasn't practical or too much hassle to create. It wouldn't be ideal for the 94 although I wouldn't be surprised if the 94 and 148 end up being merged into one route with more capacity available on the Central Line when Crossrail eventually opens.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2021 16:42:04 GMT
Doesn't rule out the 94 though if the North Row stand wasn't practical or too much hassle to create. It wouldn't be ideal for the 94 although I wouldn't be surprised if the 94 and 148 end up being merged into one route with more capacity available on the Central Line when Crossrail eventually opens. Won't happen, route 148 already goes through many traffic hotshots, are you thinking about that? A 94/148 merger would be a disaster. You don't just merge two routes for the sake of doing so.
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Post by greenboy on May 24, 2021 16:49:40 GMT
It wouldn't be ideal for the 94 although I wouldn't be surprised if the 94 and 148 end up being merged into one route with more capacity available on the Central Line when Crossrail eventually opens. Won't happen, route 148 already goes through many traffic hotshots, are you thinking about that? A 94/148 merger would be a disaster. You don't just merge two routes for the sake of doing so. Honestly...... how would it be a disaster? The 148 could remain as it is now and something else cover Acton Green or it could be cut back to Elephant & Castle or even Waterloo. Acton Green to Camberwell would only be about 80 minutes, most routes encounter traffic!
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Post by busman on May 24, 2021 17:12:37 GMT
TFL have advised business' on Oxford Street that there will be just 3 stops on Oxford Street (John Lewis, Selfridges and Marble Arch) and that all routes will stop at the same stop now. With only 7 routes I guess the need to have multiple stops each serving a common set of routes is not needed now. My first reaction to this was that it is a silly idea due to potential overcrowding (people and buses) at bus stops. However, it does make changing buses really easy. Also no more searching for your bus stop when emerging from a shop - once you see one in the distance, you know your bus will stop there.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2021 17:16:47 GMT
Won't happen, route 148 already goes through many traffic hotshots, are you thinking about that? A 94/148 merger would be a disaster. You don't just merge two routes for the sake of doing so. Honestly...... how would it be a disaster? The 148 could remain as it is now and something else cover Acton Green or it could be cut back to Elephant & Castle or even Waterloo. Acton Green to Camberwell would only be about 80 minutes, most routes encounter traffic! And are you thinking about available stand space at Elephant & Castle and Waterloo? There's nothing wrong with routes 94 or 148 and neither of those routes really need big changes to their structure of routes. The only thing I could see happening to route 94 is probably a frequency reduction.
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Post by greenboy on May 24, 2021 17:21:06 GMT
Honestly...... how would it be a disaster? The 148 could remain as it is now and something else cover Acton Green or it could be cut back to Elephant & Castle or even Waterloo. Acton Green to Camberwell would only be about 80 minutes, most routes encounter traffic! And are you thinking about available stand space at Elephant & Castle and Waterloo? There's nothing wrong with routes 94 or 148 and neither of those routes really need big changes to their structure of routes. The only thing I could see happening to route 94 is probably a frequency reduction. Other routes may well be removed from the Elephant or Waterloo but as I said.... Acton Green to Camberwell is only about 80 minutes. Reducing the frequency on the 94 is likely to cause problems at the Acton Green end.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2021 17:29:06 GMT
And are you thinking about available stand space at Elephant & Castle and Waterloo? There's nothing wrong with routes 94 or 148 and neither of those routes really need big changes to their structure of routes. The only thing I could see happening to route 94 is probably a frequency reduction. Other routes may well be removed from the Elephant or Waterloo but as I said.... Acton Green to Camberwell is only about 80 minutes. Reducing the frequency on the 94 is likely to cause problems at the Acton Green end. TFL are not going to merge routes 94 and 148, there no plans to change route 148 anymore other than the frequency reduction it will be receiving.
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Post by greenboy on May 24, 2021 17:32:09 GMT
Other routes may well be removed from the Elephant or Waterloo but as I said.... Acton Green to Camberwell is only about 80 minutes. Reducing the frequency on the 94 is likely to cause problems at the Acton Green end. TFL are not going to merge routes 94 and 148, there no plans to change route 148 anymore other than the frequency reduction it will be receiving. Will two routes really be needed between Marble Arch and Shepherds Bush when Crossrail opens?
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Post by greenboy on May 24, 2021 17:34:03 GMT
TFL have advised business' on Oxford Street that there will be just 3 stops on Oxford Street (John Lewis, Selfridges and Marble Arch) and that all routes will stop at the same stop now. With only 7 routes I guess the need to have multiple stops each serving a common set of routes is not needed now. My first reaction to this was that it is a silly idea due to potential overcrowding (people and buses) at bus stops. However, it does make changing buses really easy. Also no more searching for your bus stop when emerging from a shop - once you see one in the distance, you know your bus will stop there. There is that but even if it is reduced to five routes that's still over 40 buses an hour trying to serve the same stops.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 24, 2021 17:36:03 GMT
It wouldn't be ideal for the 94 although I wouldn't be surprised if the 94 and 148 end up being merged into one route with more capacity available on the Central Line when Crossrail eventually opens. Won't happen, route 148 already goes through many traffic hotshots, are you thinking about that? A 94/148 merger would be a disaster. You don't just merge two routes for the sake of doing so. It's not for the sake of it. Tfl clearly need to make savings (possibly even as part of the bailout) so reducing the overlap. I really did think the Bayswster Road would be left to the 31/94/274 with the 148 being replaced by the 45 to Marble Arch. The fact it didn't happen suggests the 94 and 148 will remain as they are.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2021 17:46:37 GMT
Won't happen, route 148 already goes through many traffic hotshots, are you thinking about that? A 94/148 merger would be a disaster. You don't just merge two routes for the sake of doing so. It's not for the sake of it. Tfl clearly need to make savings (possibly even as part of the bailout) so reducing the overlap. I really did think the Bayswster Road would be left to the 31/94/274 with the 148 being replaced by the 45 to Marble Arch. The fact it didn't happen suggests the 94 and 148 will remain as they are. I understand TFL needed to make savings hence why most routes are getting frequency cuts but the point I was trying to make that merging route 94 and 148 would not be ideal. I'm glad route 148 is remaining.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2021 17:56:07 GMT
TFL are not going to merge routes 94 and 148, there no plans to change route 148 anymore other than the frequency reduction it will be receiving. Will two routes really be needed between Marble Arch and Shepherds Bush when Crossrail opens? Well yes so that there isn't any overcrowding even with route 94 paralleling the Central line, peoples travel habits change a lot.
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Post by vjaska on May 24, 2021 17:57:45 GMT
And are you thinking about available stand space at Elephant & Castle and Waterloo? There's nothing wrong with routes 94 or 148 and neither of those routes really need big changes to their structure of routes. The only thing I could see happening to route 94 is probably a frequency reduction. Other routes may well be removed from the Elephant or Waterloo but as I said.... Acton Green to Camberwell is only about 80 minutes. Reducing the frequency on the 94 is likely to cause problems at the Acton Green end. Using londonbusroutes, a merged 94 & 148 would take max 91 minutes as the 148’s current max time is 76 minutes and during peaks it takes the 94 15 minutes between Acton Green & Shepherds Bush
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Post by greg on May 25, 2021 22:49:44 GMT
Honestly a thought would have been that they would cut the 7 back to Marble Arch, unlike all the other routes in Oxford Street they all serve a unique link
113/139 to Baker Street 98 to Edgware Road 390 to Hyde Park 94 to Bayswater Road
the already frequent 98 can be quite adequate throughout the day observationally and most patronage on the 7 comes towards Oxford Circus whereas buses are empty towards East Acton, just a thought though.
I would of thought either the 7 or 159, as you have the 94/139 going to Piccadilly already
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Post by M1104 on May 25, 2021 23:15:16 GMT
Honestly a thought would have been that they would cut the 7 back to Marble Arch, unlike all the other routes in Oxford Street they all serve a unique link 113/139 to Baker Street 98 to Edgware Road 390 to Hyde Park 94 to Bayswater Road the already frequent 98 can be quite adequate throughout the day observationally and most patronage on the 7 comes towards Oxford Circus whereas buses are empty towards East Acton, just a thought though. I would of thought either the 7 or 159, as you have the 94/139 going to Piccadilly already There was plans to cut the 159 back to Oxford Circus but not sure if that's still long term pending or cancelled.
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