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Post by YX10FFN on Jul 9, 2021 12:04:43 GMT
Assuming the plans from the old consultation are revived for this, the 113s last stop will actually be Selfridges as opposed to Marble Arch. Meaning the buses could probably stand on Gloucester Place or Baker Street one way and then turn around using Oxford Street and the parallel road, avoiding Marble Arch altogether. This will allow the 94 to probably take some space by the actual roundabout. The irony is there isn’t any suitable space to terminate a route from the north on either road now they are both two way roads with mainly single lanes so if it’s still to have Selfridges as an alighting point, then that’s very poor given Marble Arch terminating routes usually alight on Oxford Street near Marble Arch. Selfridges is a decent terminating spot for something like the 94 as there is a bit of space on the south side of Portland Square by the office type buildings I assume you mean Portman Square. Yes routes from the north can't stand there as they don't hit Oxford Street/tube/shops unless they want to loop around. Creating a new stand on Wigmore Street would run into the same problem as they still need to loop around in order to set down/pick up near or on Oxford Street. The most likely scenario is as you say, rerouting something from the south or west to terminate there and allowing the 113 to fit in at Marble Arch.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 9, 2021 12:24:58 GMT
Maybe that will be same date that the 159 cuts to Oxford Circus then the 113 can use that stand. Is the stand the 30 used permanently gone now or just for the building work. If so there will have to be space still found for the 414 if it cuts to MA.
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Post by snowman on Jul 9, 2021 12:30:31 GMT
Metroline reductions from August 28th 7 -6 16 -4 30 -4 43 -6 113 -5 And with loss of X140 following weekend, looks like 30+ buses spare. Would have thought some of the older TEs are going to be cascaded out
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Post by YX10FFN on Jul 9, 2021 12:38:05 GMT
Maybe that will be same date that the 159 cuts to Oxford Circus then the 113 can use that stand. Is the stand the 30 used permanently gone now or just for the building work. If so there will have to be space still found for the 414 if it cuts to MA. According to Londonbusroutes.net the road will be open after July 27th, which should be when the viewing platform opens. The road was only closed to allow for storage of materials and equipment, the stand should be open even while the viewing platform is operational.
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Post by dlroper on Jul 9, 2021 13:45:18 GMT
The 113 cutback was bound to happen, the issue is finding stand space at Marble Arch. In order to remove the 137 and 189 from Oxford Street that's why they had to duly re extend it to OC. That being said, what on earth are they doing at Marble Arch?? (If anyone has been there in the last few weeks). Building some mound with grass on it? Westminster City Council are spending £2m building a grass mound with viewing platform at Marble Arch. Wonder how much will be spent on clearing the daily population of beggars, boozers, addicts, continental "refugees" etc that blight the place ................. very threatening place to photograph buses at the moment .............................. caught one trying to get into my rucksack whilst her mate engaged me in conversation .................. she fled when I turn round and grabbed her wrist ....................... she unfortunately avoided the approaching 16 .................. no point in reporting it ...................... just what this country is now descending into .................... Foreign Thieves Paradise.
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Post by VWH1413 on Jul 9, 2021 14:08:26 GMT
Metroline reductions from August 28th 7 -6 16 -4 30 -4 43 -6 113 -5 I will take that 113 PVR cut as an unofficial warning, if you like E400 Tridents, next month could be the last at EW or at best TEH VOR cover.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 9, 2021 14:08:38 GMT
Metroline reductions from August 28th 7 -6 16 -4 30 -4 43 -6 113 -5 And with loss of X140 following weekend, looks like 30+ buses spare. Would have thought some of the older TEs are going to be cascaded out So in essence, the 11 VWH's from the X140, 5 VMH's from the 30 (drop from 23 to 19 requires one less spare) & 5 VMH's from the 113 effectively could knock away 21 older vehicles. I'm not sure the LT's will make an impact whilst I see the BDE's & WHD's made spare from the 43 & 7 remaining at their current garages as extra spares with the BDE's potentially moving to the 204 next year - the WHD's still seem to be in a bedding in process and whilst allocating the spare ones to the 245, some of the 245's VW's made spare may stick around at PV as the 7's VWH's are already earmarked for transfer in any event. The oldest double deckers are TE's with 26 Euro IV examples new to Metroline and 19 Euro IV examples inherited with the takeover of First London garages and I'd imagine they want to prioritise the removal of the ex First examples more so - I could see a scenario where the U4 ends up with a chunk of these given it uses some of the ex First examples with the U3 returning to single decker use (sadly) removing more. Then any left over may be moved up to PB or EW to begin releasing the new to Metroline examples - all mindless speculation of course
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Post by YX10FFN on Jul 9, 2021 14:20:44 GMT
And with loss of X140 following weekend, looks like 30+ buses spare. Would have thought some of the older TEs are going to be cascaded out So in essence, the 11 VWH's from the X140, 5 VMH's from the 30 (drop from 23 to 19 requires one less spare) & 5 VMH's from the 113 effectively could knock away 21 older vehicles. I'm not sure the LT's will make an impact whilst I see the BDE's & WHD's made spare from the 43 & 7 remaining at their current garages as extra spares with the BDE's potentially moving to the 204 next year - the WHD's still seem to be in a bedding in process and whilst allocating the spare ones to the 245, some of the 245's VW's made spare may stick around at PV as the 7's VWH's are already earmarked for transfer in any event. The oldest double deckers are TE's with 26 Euro IV examples new to Metroline and 19 Euro IV examples inherited with the takeover of First London garages and I'd imagine they want to prioritise the removal of the ex First examples more so - I could see a scenario where the U4 ends up with a chunk of these given it uses some of the ex First examples with the U3 returning to single decker use (sadly) removing more. Then any left over may be moved up to PB or EW to begin releasing the new to Metroline examples - all mindless speculation of course Of course my prediction (and everyone's prediction) of what they are going to do with the freed up VWHs from the X140 changes all the time, my thinking was that they could fully convert the 186 but they could almost as easily send them to UX to fully convert the U4. Once the U3 reverts to single deck operation that means they can clear out all ex-first TEs at UX.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 9, 2021 14:37:33 GMT
Metroline reductions from August 28th 7 -6 16 -4 30 -4 43 -6 113 -5 I will take that 113 PVR cut as an unofficial warning, if you like E400 Tridents, next month could be the last at EW or at best TEH VOR cover. With these plus the reductions so far planned on the 49, 55, 56, 148 and 344 we are up to a PVR reduction of 50. 250 still to go to reach the planned 300 so potentially plenty of spare vehicles to re allocate/withdraw. Go Ahead seem to have escaped so far but I can easily see the 12, 40, 42, 88, 171, 172, 176, 188, 343, 453 all seeing drops plus maybe the 1, 11, 14, 36, 87 aswell.
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Post by busoccultation on Jul 9, 2021 15:03:56 GMT
And with loss of X140 following weekend, looks like 30+ buses spare. Would have thought some of the older TEs are going to be cascaded out So in essence, the 11 VWH's from the X140, 5 VMH's from the 30 (drop from 23 to 19 requires one less spare) & 5 VMH's from the 113 effectively could knock away 21 older vehicles. I'm not sure the LT's will make an impact whilst I see the BDE's & WHD's made spare from the 43 & 7 remaining at their current garages as extra spares with the BDE's potentially moving to the 204 next year - the WHD's still seem to be in a bedding in process and whilst allocating the spare ones to the 245, some of the 245's VW's made spare may stick around at PV as the 7's VWH's are already earmarked for transfer in any event. The oldest double deckers are TE's with 26 Euro IV examples new to Metroline and 19 Euro IV examples inherited with the takeover of First London garages and I'd imagine they want to prioritise the removal of the ex First examples more so - I could see a scenario where the U4 ends up with a chunk of these given it uses some of the ex First examples with the U3 returning to single decker use (sadly) removing more. Then any left over may be moved up to PB or EW to begin releasing the new to Metroline examples - all mindless speculation of course For the ex First stuff, the ex 427 VW's could also be replaced by those surplus buses from the upcoming frequency/contract changes of which 21 of them are still in service across few garages, (22 if you include VW1838 which is been used as meal relief bus since January or 23 if VW1841 is included which is a unrefurbished 10reg VW at ON) as well.
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 9, 2021 15:49:41 GMT
I will take that 113 PVR cut as an unofficial warning, if you like E400 Tridents, next month could be the last at EW or at best TEH VOR cover. With these plus the reductions so far planned on the 49, 55, 56, 148 and 344 we are up to a PVR reduction of 50. 250 still to go to reach the planned 300 so potentially plenty of spare vehicles to re allocate/withdraw. Go Ahead seem to have escaped so far but I can easily see the 12, 40, 42, 88, 171, 172, 176, 188, 343, 453 all seeing drops plus maybe the 1, 11, 14, 36, 87 aswell. And don't forget the hefty PVR reductions already planned for the 507 and 521 .....
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 9, 2021 16:00:24 GMT
With these plus the reductions so far planned on the 49, 55, 56, 148 and 344 we are up to a PVR reduction of 50. 250 still to go to reach the planned 300 so potentially plenty of spare vehicles to re allocate/withdraw. Go Ahead seem to have escaped so far but I can easily see the 12, 40, 42, 88, 171, 172, 176, 188, 343, 453 all seeing drops plus maybe the 1, 11, 14, 36, 87 aswell. And don't forget the hefty PVR reductions already planned for the 507 and 521 ..... Yes ofcourse. That looks to be in the region of around 25 based on what is going to other routes to free up buses for the W15. So 75 so far planned for the PVR reduction in central London.
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Post by someone on Jul 9, 2021 16:55:23 GMT
Definately need to hit Bexleyheath and it's environs with the camera ....... all those SD's and the 132 oddments etc ............ 👍👍 Yeah... planning to do a Sam Yang-style full journey video of the B16 (double-deck) as well as the start of a new series (I don't have a YT channel though) based on PengeArrow's London Bus Vlogs, named London Bus Observations, with Ep1 focussing on the B11 between Lodge Hill and Yarnton Way and Ep2 focusing on either the 469 between Grovebury Road and Plumstead Corner or the 244 between Woolwich New Road and Shooters Hill.
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Post by TB123 on Jul 9, 2021 17:00:43 GMT
And don't forget the hefty PVR reductions already planned for the 507 and 521 ..... Yes ofcourse. That looks to be in the region of around 25 based on what is going to other routes to free up buses for the W15. So 75 so far planned for the PVR reduction in central London. I'm told the PVR of the 507 drops to 10 - and for the 521, down to 20. May need to be something to make up the balance for the W15. 14/22/74/430 also in the offing for cuts I hear -potentially freeing up as many 15 buses.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 9, 2021 17:06:21 GMT
I forgot about the Putney routes. With the 30 MHVs and the 80 already DD there could potentially be enough for Sutton to be all hybrid as this rate along with the 118.
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