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Post by greenboy on Jan 22, 2022 8:21:36 GMT
Well this 94 business is now confusing and frustrating. This is a pretty impactful change, so it would help if we weren’t just throwing around speculation or vague declarations. At this rate I’m only believing it if the TFL website or Robert Munster confirm it, neither have at this stage. I've not seen anything elsewhere about the 94 so I think we can assume it won't be happening next weekend, and yes Robert Munsters excellent site is the best place for accurate news.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Jan 22, 2022 8:35:33 GMT
That's nonsensical, no route would ever be withdrawn based on that logic. You called it useless, I pointed out that it's very clearly not useless. At no point did I say only useless routes get withdrawn. Was the 387 useless?
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Post by wirewiper on Jan 22, 2022 9:09:10 GMT
You called it useless, I pointed out that it's very clearly not useless. At no point did I say only useless routes get withdrawn. Was the 387 useless? Strictly speaking the 387 wasn't withdrawn, it was renumbered EL3 when it converted to LT.
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Post by WH241 on Jan 22, 2022 9:43:41 GMT
You called it useless, I pointed out that it's very clearly not useless. At no point did I say only useless routes get withdrawn. Was the 387 useless? You might want to check this site
387 still very much exists as the EL3.
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Post by WH241 on Jan 22, 2022 9:54:11 GMT
This is dubious cost saving. Sure you save the cost of the extra bus, but surely if that bus is well loaded then it will make more fare revenue than the cost of providing the bus. Leaving people at stops, full buses etc is a recipe to turn away passengers leading to lower revenue, potentially leaving you in a worse situation than having the extra bus. Unfortunately when cuts are made the cost savings are baked in and taken, without necessarily thinking fully about the consequences which could lead to a greater revenue loss than the savings. The target is to save money from the cuts, not be too concerned about losing passengers as a result, after all services can always be cut again if that happens! Furthermore, if disgruntled bus passengers decide to drive instead, there is more traffic, so slower bus journeys, increased costs per journey and the savings largely negated. I am surprised more people are not being priced off the road with the cost of petrol! For short local journeys my 1.6 petrol is costing me a fortune now petrol is £1.50 or so a liter. I know local trips are always uneconomical but its getting silly now.
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Post by busman on Jan 23, 2022 11:53:29 GMT
Furthermore, if disgruntled bus passengers decide to drive instead, there is more traffic, so slower bus journeys, increased costs per journey and the savings largely negated. I am surprised more people are not being priced off the road with the cost of petrol! For short local journeys my 1.6 petrol is costing me a fortune now petrol is £1.50 or so a liter. I know local trips are always uneconomical but its getting silly now. Depends how many people are travelling, how far and how much stuff is being transported. For individuals making very local journeys carrying a light load, car isn’t the most economical choice. When looking at delivery costs or multi-modal trips with a whole family, car wins every time. Nothing wrong with that - we don’t live in a small town or village.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jan 23, 2022 13:16:27 GMT
That's nonsensical, no route would ever be withdrawn based on that logic. I'd agree that the route on its current routing is probably seen as useless although I liked the idea suggested a few months back in conjunction with a 270 change whereby the 414 was cutback to South Ken providing capacity along the Fulham Road still, extended down to Tooting The Mitre via the 270 and the 270 cutback to Wandsworth but then extended down to Thornton Heath. That idea certainly sounded cool and brought in some new links. Quite a big overlap along Garratt Lane with other routes though. However I would like to see a direct Fulham to Tooting route as that is easy to do by car but slow by public transport. How would the 270 be routed to get to Thornton Heath?
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 23, 2022 13:26:34 GMT
I'd agree that the route on its current routing is probably seen as useless although I liked the idea suggested a few months back in conjunction with a 270 change whereby the 414 was cutback to South Ken providing capacity along the Fulham Road still, extended down to Tooting The Mitre via the 270 and the 270 cutback to Wandsworth but then extended down to Thornton Heath. That idea certainly sounded cool and brought in some new links. Quite a big overlap along Garratt Lane with other routes though. However I would like to see a direct Fulham to Tooting route as that is easy to do by car but slow by public transport. How would the 270 be routed to get to Thornton Heath? Well from what I've heard from locals on here the 44/270 seem to struggle between Wandsworth and Tooting Broadway so perhaps adding a third route would be an effective way of solving
overcrowding problems with small frequency decreases on the 270/414 to ensure it isn't fully overbussed.
The OP suggested routing it via the 152 to Pollards Hill, 60 to Thornton Heath Pond and 250 to Thornton Heath Station?
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Post by M1104 on Jan 23, 2022 13:35:22 GMT
Quite a big overlap along Garratt Lane with other routes though. However I would like to see a direct Fulham to Tooting route as that is easy to do by car but slow by public transport. How would the 270 be routed to get to Thornton Heath? Well from what I've heard from locals on here the 44/270 seem to struggle between Wandsworth and Tooting Broadway so perhaps adding a third route would be an effective way of solving
overcrowding problems with small frequency decreases on the 270/414 to ensure it isn't fully overbussed.
The OP suggested routing it via the 152 to Pollards Hill, 60 to Thornton Heath Pond and 250 to Thornton Heath Station?
Another 270 suggestion was via the 118 along Commonside East and Manor Way prior to Pollards Hill onwards. This way the route would still be serving the main part of Mitcham from Earlsfield and Wandsworth.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 23, 2022 13:39:30 GMT
Quite a big overlap along Garratt Lane with other routes though. However I would like to see a direct Fulham to Tooting route as that is easy to do by car but slow by public transport. How would the 270 be routed to get to Thornton Heath? Well from what I've heard from locals on here the 44/270 seem to struggle between Wandsworth and Tooting Broadway so perhaps adding a third route would be an effective way of solving
overcrowding problems with small frequency decreases on the 270/414 to ensure it isn't fully overbussed. The OP suggested routing it via the 152 to Pollards Hill, 60 to Thornton Heath Pond and 250 to Thornton Heath Station?
A route like that would probably be too lengthy as it will hit some sizeable traffic hotspots. Thornton Heath & Brigstock Road, London Road and the big one being at Eastfields with the level crossing. Going any further than Wandsworth is probably not applicable with such a route
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 23, 2022 13:54:01 GMT
Well from what I've heard from locals on here the 44/270 seem to struggle between Wandsworth and Tooting Broadway so perhaps adding a third route would be an effective way of solving
overcrowding problems with small frequency decreases on the 270/414 to ensure it isn't fully overbussed. The OP suggested routing it via the 152 to Pollards Hill, 60 to Thornton Heath Pond and 250 to Thornton Heath Station?
A route like that would probably be too lengthy as it will hit some sizeable traffic hotspots. Thornton Heath & Brigstock Road, London Road and the big one being at Eastfields with the level crossing. Going any further than Wandsworth is probably not applicable with such a route That was the suggestion made by M1104 which also included a cutback to Wandsworth co-incidentally.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 23, 2022 15:00:48 GMT
A route like that would probably be too lengthy as it will hit some sizeable traffic hotspots. Thornton Heath & Brigstock Road, London Road and the big one being at Eastfields with the level crossing. Going any further than Wandsworth is probably not applicable with such a route That was the suggestion made by M1104 which also included a cutback to Wandsworth co-incidentally. I was talking about a brand new route, I don’t think the 270 should be messed about with
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Post by COBO on Jan 24, 2022 0:35:54 GMT
I was wondering couldn’t upcoming changes go to the front page and changed when necessary?
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Jan 24, 2022 9:11:55 GMT
I was wondering couldn’t upcoming changes go to the front page and changed when necessary? Unfortunately not possible as the creator of the thread can't edit his post. But a new thread could be started, I might do that unless someone else wants to?
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Post by WH241 on Jan 24, 2022 9:20:13 GMT
I was wondering couldn’t upcoming changes go to the front page and changed when necessary? Unfortunately not possible as the creator of the thread can't edit his post. But a new thread could be started, I might do that unless someone else wants to? As this was Snoogles thread I would like to see this one stay personally.
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