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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 25, 2022 9:21:14 GMT
The 14 was very busy back then. Obviously not as much now but it was then. Just had a look at stats from 1999 to 2021 in terms of bus usage and by the looks of things the service got to 9.637 million in 2008/2009, the highest recorded in that spreadsheet. That is really busy I'd agree. I also had a look at a few other routes & 2 of them that shocked me were the 43 and 94 particularly the latter. It honestly still strikes me how in 05/06 that managed to rack up 12.156 million journeys a year and that's without Westfield having been built (hadn't been built until late 2008) and with the 148. That's honestly crazy. The 43 even as late as 2013 had reached the 12.150 million mark.
The 94 has dropped to 7,325000 by 2019 and that was now without the 390 between providing support between Oxo and NHG. But certainly 2006-2011 seems to have been the peak for bus usage on alot of routes.
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Post by WH241 on Jan 25, 2022 17:50:50 GMT
The quality news site My London caught wind of the 14 cut
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 25, 2022 18:05:40 GMT
The quality news site My London caught wind of the 14 cut
Says it's going to be every 10 mins with a 90 min journey time.
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Post by rj131 on Jan 25, 2022 18:37:32 GMT
The quality news site My London caught wind of the 14 cut
Well at least as has some factual information in it that the 14 is London’s slowest bus route backed up by TfL’s own bus speed figures. That’s one thing I guess 🤣 And we called the 14’s cut here!!
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Post by TB123 on Jan 25, 2022 18:58:30 GMT
The quality news site My London caught wind of the 14 cut
Unless they are expecting a massive increase in dwell times, how will the 14 running every 10 minutes instead of every 8 make the running times slower? Have they got wind of a revised schedule with lots of extra time thrown in? And they call this "journalism"
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Post by TB123 on Jan 25, 2022 18:58:46 GMT
The quality news site My London caught wind of the 14 cut
Unless they are expecting a massive increase in dwell times, how will the 14 running every 10 minutes instead of every 8 make the running times slower? Have they got wind of a revised schedule with lots of extra time thrown in? And they call this "journalism"
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Post by rj131 on Jan 25, 2022 23:06:56 GMT
The quality news site My London caught wind of the 14 cut
Unless they are expecting a massive increase in dwell times, how will the 14 running every 10 minutes instead of every 8 make the running times slower? Have they got wind of a revised schedule with lots of extra time thrown in? And they call this "journalism" Most end to end journeys in the day have 90 minutes scheduled in them now! 92/93 even.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 25, 2022 23:12:10 GMT
Unless they are expecting a massive increase in dwell times, how will the 14 running every 10 minutes instead of every 8 make the running times slower? Have they got wind of a revised schedule with lots of extra time thrown in? And they call this "journalism" Most end to end journeys in the day have 90 minutes scheduled in them now! 92/93 even. 25 and 53 aswell. Oh and they wonder why people don't use buses. The 53 was 74 mins in my 2001 Out and About guide from Plumstead Common to Oxo. Now 90 mins to Lambeth North. Hardly a realistic way to travel into town for most.
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Post by TB123 on Jan 26, 2022 0:03:34 GMT
Unless they are expecting a massive increase in dwell times, how will the 14 running every 10 minutes instead of every 8 make the running times slower? Have they got wind of a revised schedule with lots of extra time thrown in? And they call this "journalism" Most end to end journeys in the day have 90 minutes scheduled in them now! 92/93 even. Yep, so doesn't appear to be any difference once cut. So using their metric of operating speed, misleading article. If Greg Hands MP has such concerns about bus speeds and their effect on patronage why hasn't he advocated for bus priorities in his constituency?
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Post by vjaska on Jan 26, 2022 3:22:58 GMT
322 - New Monday to Friday and Saturday timetables to improve reliability following changes to road layouts along the route, with Monday to Friday peak hour and Saturday shopping hours service reduced to every 12-13 minutes.
Above change happens 12th February
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2022 6:15:51 GMT
I’m back on the bus forum. I had to delete the manlikechin1886 account as I needed a break from here. I’ve now made a new account LondonBuses184. Also I’m thinking that the buses for new route 304 have already arrived (the YX13 EHs) but are working on school route until Crossrail is open.
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Post by COBO on Jan 26, 2022 7:00:52 GMT
I’m back on the bus forum. I had to delete the manlikechin1886 account as I needed a break from here. I’ve now made a new account LondonBuses184. Also I’m thinking that the buses for new route 304 have already arrived (the YX13 EHs) but are working on school route until Crossrail is open. You deleted your account to take a break from the forum instead of just not logging to take a break. Why take a drastic move and delete your account to take a break? Why didn’t you just not log in to take a break? I thought that the 304 was awarded to Go Ahead with existing diesel buses so why would it use EHs?
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 26, 2022 7:37:16 GMT
Most end to end journeys in the day have 90 minutes scheduled in them now! 92/93 even. 25 and 53 aswell. Oh and they wonder why people don't use buses. The 53 was 74 mins in my 2001 Out and About guide from Plumstead Common to Oxo. Now 90 mins to Lambeth North. Hardly a realistic way to travel into town for most. I liked Ken’s idea of using Routemasters on congested Central London routes with low floor alternatives being introduced alongside them (14/414), (12/94/148/390), (137/417), (would the 59/159 count in this instance?), (36/436), (73/390), (73/476), (8/388). This was a very smart way of doing it because you had a Routemaster catering for journeys along traffic havens like Oxford Street on routes like the 8 & 73 where you can hop on and hop off without needing to wait until a bus stop but later on down the route at say Euston/Liverpool Street there is then a low floor alternative for those who are disabled/those who might not like routemasters/those with buggies. That seemed very sensible and a good way of increasing capacity whilst keeping Londons heritage.
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Post by greenboy on Jan 26, 2022 8:22:36 GMT
25 and 53 aswell. Oh and they wonder why people don't use buses. The 53 was 74 mins in my 2001 Out and About guide from Plumstead Common to Oxo. Now 90 mins to Lambeth North. Hardly a realistic way to travel into town for most. I liked Ken’s idea of using Routemasters on congested Central London routes with low floor alternatives being introduced alongside them (14/414), (12/94/148/390), (137/417), (would the 59/159 count in this instance?), (36/436), (73/390), (73/476), (8/388). This was a very smart way of doing it because you had a Routemaster catering for journeys along traffic havens like Oxford Street on routes like the 8 & 73 where you can hop on and hop off without needing to wait until a bus stop but later on down the route at say Euston/Liverpool Street there is then a low floor alternative for those who are disabled/those who might not like routemasters/those with buggies. That seemed very sensible and a good way of increasing capacity whilst keeping Londons heritage. Yes Routemasters were ideal for Oxford Street and when they went it began the decline in bus usage with people walking rather than be trapped on an OPO bus when the traffic ground to a halt.
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Post by greenboy on Jan 26, 2022 8:36:29 GMT
Most end to end journeys in the day have 90 minutes scheduled in them now! 92/93 even. 25 and 53 aswell. Oh and they wonder why people don't use buses. The 53 was 74 mins in my 2001 Out and About guide from Plumstead Common to Oxo. Now 90 mins to Lambeth North. Hardly a realistic way to travel into town for most. I don't think many people would be doing end to end journeys on the 53, Plumstead to Waterloo is about half an hour on the train.
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