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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 11, 2023 20:51:55 GMT
TfL haven't suddenly found a magic money tree. A service might be useful but if its not well used its just a waste of money. What I find interesting is the weekend night bus services never started back up when the night tube started up again yet suddenly services like the 123,158 and 486 are going / have gone 24/7. There is an election next year. Yet again it's a vote grabbing tactic from Khan. Not saying he's the only one, but politicians will do anything to get you to vote for them. Watch how towards the end of next year and the year after we'll start seeing frequency cuts, possibly route withdrawals too The 158, 486 and 123 all go through predominantly Labour areas. While Khan might use techniques to grab votes, this probably isn't one of them. |
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Post by routew15 on Aug 11, 2023 20:57:53 GMT
I agree but it only seems to be route structure changes that seems to promote the need for announcements. The 485 announcements did include the amended operational hours as well as the route changes I do think that ibus announcements would be useful if the route is being converted to 24h service. That being said I question the usefulness of some announcements, they were still going on about the 607/SL8 changes on the SL8 last week! I’d stay away from the 485 then as it changed in March and is still announcing it’s modified routing and extended hours. I don’t think the changes iBus announcement for the Superloop routes should be removed yet considering these changes are occurring during the Summer holidays where not as many regular passengers may be travelling. |
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Post by londonbuses on Aug 11, 2023 21:10:49 GMT
E1 night service should be reinstated.and maybe 120 night service would be useful I agree about the 120, it would be very useful and in my opinion would be much better than a night service on the H32 which used to have a weekend night service. |
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Post by rift on Aug 11, 2023 21:16:20 GMT
There is an election next year. Yet again it's a vote grabbing tactic from Khan. Not saying he's the only one, but politicians will do anything to get you to vote for them. Watch how towards the end of next year and the year after we'll start seeing frequency cuts, possibly route withdrawals too The 158, 486 and 123 all go through predominantly Labour areas. While Khan might use techniques to grab votes, this probably isn't one of them. 486 is more half and half in terms of political areas, and the 24 hour service seems to have gone down well with residents of the blue areas, although I don’t think it’ll be effective enough to buy any votes. |
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Post by joefrombow on Aug 11, 2023 21:29:44 GMT
I haven't seen it posted on here but from Saturday 26th August Route 158 is regaining it's 24 hour service on all days of the week
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Aug 11, 2023 21:30:57 GMT
I haven't seen it posted on here but from Saturday 26th August Route 158 is regaining it's 24 hour service on all days of the week Its already been posted on this thread. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 11, 2023 21:31:57 GMT
I do think that ibus announcements would be useful if the route is being converted to 24h service. That being said I question the usefulness of some announcements, they were still going on about the 607/SL8 changes on the SL8 last week! I’d stay away from the 485 then as it changed in March and is still announcing it’s modified routing and extended hours. I don’t think the changes iBus announcement for the Superloop routes should be removed yet considering these changes are occurring during the Summer holidays where not as many regular passengers may be travelling. True but was there really a need to rush into the scheme. There was plenty of information about the 607 route number change at the bus stops |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 11, 2023 21:34:09 GMT
There is an election next year. Yet again it's a vote grabbing tactic from Khan. Not saying he's the only one, but politicians will do anything to get you to vote for them. Watch how towards the end of next year and the year after we'll start seeing frequency cuts, possibly route withdrawals too The 158, 486 and 123 all go through predominantly Labour areas. While Khan might use techniques to grab votes, this probably isn't one of them. I think that this is just the start of the reintroduction of night routes (hopefully). You're right but others in Tory areas could come back. Although I said it's a vote grabbing tactic it is something that is support since it's bringing better transport links for people |
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Post by routew15 on Aug 11, 2023 21:47:01 GMT
I’d stay away from the 485 then as it changed in March and is still announcing it’s modified routing and extended hours. I don’t think the changes iBus announcement for the Superloop routes should be removed yet considering these changes are occurring during the Summer holidays where not as many regular passengers may be travelling. True but was there really a need to rush into the scheme. There was plenty of information about the 607 route number change at the bus stops Personally I do not think introduction of SL8/6/7/9 was was needed this early, considering most of the remainder of the network is expected to become available in 2024. But we are where are right now. Yes it has been nice to see updated information or yellow notices for the SL routes well in advance at bus stops. Travelling through East Croydon today and the SL7 timetable is already up! |
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Post by COBO on Aug 11, 2023 21:54:22 GMT
E1 night service should be reinstated.and maybe 120 night service would be useful I don't really think an E1 night service is needed and I don't think one is needed for the 120 either. Why not? |
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Post by busoccultation on Aug 11, 2023 22:29:56 GMT
TfL haven't suddenly found a magic money tree. A service might be useful but if its not well used its just a waste of money. What I find interesting is the weekend night bus services never started back up when the night tube started up again yet suddenly services like the 123,158 and 486 are going / have gone 24/7. There is an election next year. Yet again it's a vote grabbing tactic from Khan. Not saying he's the only one, but politicians will do anything to get you to vote for them. Watch how towards the end of next year and the year after we'll start seeing frequency cuts, possibly route withdrawals too I really don't see anything of those improvements just as a political gain, in reality a lot of those new changes are pretty much long overdue like the 24-hour daily service on the 123, late evening/sunday morning service on the 607/SL8, X26/SL7 running at a higher frequency just to name a few, which all of them should have already been in place many years ago. |
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Post by enviroPB on Aug 11, 2023 23:39:11 GMT
There is an election next year. Yet again it's a vote grabbing tactic from Khan. Not saying he's the only one, but politicians will do anything to get you to vote for them. Watch how towards the end of next year and the year after we'll start seeing frequency cuts, possibly route withdrawals too I really don't see anything of those improvements just as a political gain, in reality a lot of those new changes are pretty much long overdue like the 24-hour daily service on the 123, late evening/sunday morning service on the 607/SL8, X26/SL7 running at a higher frequency just to name a few, which all of them should have already been in place many years ago. It isn't just a political stunt, everyone is almost unanimous when agreeing these changes should have happened a long time ago. You'd be rather gullible though to believe the Mayor won't use this to his political advantage. Two questions need to be asked as to why this feels fishy: 1. Where did the money come from to fund this? TfL are supposedly still Super broke, yet they suddenly have the resources to fund ex-weekend 24 hour routes into nightly services. 2. Why isn't there any press for this? It's a good news story involving investment that TfL have been shy on since the pandemic. The Son of a Bus Driver cannot miss a good transport PR opportunity. I'm 100% certain he's going to use these recent 24 hour routes with his Superloop spin come August 29th. |
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Post by Green Kitten on Aug 12, 2023 0:06:27 GMT
TfL said at the start of Night Tube that the subsurface lines (Circle, District, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan) would see a overnight service at weekends in 2023 after signalling works were complete. We're 2/3 into the year with nothing being said, but there was a global pandemic so perhaps plans have been delayed somewhat. TfL also mentioned early on that the DLR would see a night service in 2021, something which clearly hasn't happened yet. Don't think the H&C was in the plans. Off the top of my head and a slightly hazy memory it would be Baker Street to Uxbridge on the Met. The full Circle Line and the District Line between Barking and Wimbledon. It is more beneficial operationally to run the District service to Upminster (for easy access to Upminster Depot). I think the initial plan for the Met was Baker Street to Harrow only. Anyway these plans are years away. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 12, 2023 3:02:31 GMT
Don't think the H&C was in the plans. Off the top of my head and a slightly hazy memory it would be Baker Street to Uxbridge on the Met. The full Circle Line and the District Line between Barking and Wimbledon. It is more beneficial operationally to run the District service to Upminster (for easy access to Upminster Depot). I think the initial plan for the Met was Baker Street to Harrow only. Anyway these plans are years away. Baker Street to Harrow is useless if you don't have any useful onward connections, ie no night bus links Uxbridge to Harrow. Might as well not bother at that point, would be too much of a hassle going home via Harrow and catching a bus if there was one. |
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Post by borneobus on Aug 12, 2023 7:23:44 GMT
At one point, one might have hoped that Sadiq Khan back for another term with a Labour government, additional funding might be found. However, Khan's 3rd term looks less likely with the ULEZ farrago (even though Grant Shapps was the instigator of it), whilst a Labour government is far from certain. And even then, Khan and Starmer are not the best of bedfellows. With a Tory mayor and a hung parliament bus services could get a lot worse. Time to move to Manchester? But Grant Shapps didn’t instigate the ULEZ expansion, that’s an entirely false narrative with zero evidence to suggest otherwise. First nowhere in the funding agreements did it mention expanding the ULEZ only to reintroduce it, second it was always and has been openly admitted by Kahn to be his policy and third it was specifically mentioned in the final funding letter that the bailout money couldn’t be used to expand ULEZ and anything related to it had to come from within TfL/City Hall budgets. Any potential Labour government will likely have to make reality decisions which will likely involve further budget cuts across the country. Whatever money is left would likely be distributed to areas outside London. Hello - in this letter dated 14 May 2020 from Secretary of State for Transport to Mayor of London para 'H' states [TfL agrees to] "The immediate reintroduction of the London Congestion Charge, LEZ and ULEZ and urgently bring forward proposals to widen the scope and levels of these charges, in accordance with the relevant legal powers and decision-making processes."Have I misinterpreted this? i.e. "Widen the scope and levels of these charges" |
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