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Post by enviroPB on Aug 11, 2023 13:45:04 GMT
The 114 was even less used than the 145 was. Would be interesting to see if routes less busy than the 145 stay, considering low usage was the reason cited for the 145s withdrawal. Also regarding the N145 it didn't really connect to that many night tube stations. Dagenham to Redbridge is long enough only to get the central line to or from Central London is quite a journey! Taking it to Wood Lane and changing onto a N15 would probably be quicker I'd imagine. Making the 287 24h would be beneficial for those in Dagenham and Rainham, giving them a 24h link to Barking (and interchange to the N15). I wouldn't run it to Abbey Wood Lane though since that's very residential but at least run it to Rainham station. In an idealistic world the District line would be part of the night tube too.
With the 114 it's a pretty similar situation with no night routes travelling west of South Harrow. It's a shame the Met line Uxbridge branch isn't served by the night tube either TfL said at the start of Night Tube that the subsurface lines (Circle, District, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan) would see a overnight service at weekends in 2023 after signalling works were complete. We're 2/3 into the year with nothing being said, but there was a global pandemic so perhaps plans have been delayed somewhat. TfL also mentioned early on that the DLR would see a night service in 2021, something which clearly hasn't happened yet. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 11, 2023 14:13:22 GMT
Also regarding the N145 it didn't really connect to that many night tube stations. Dagenham to Redbridge is long enough only to get the central line to or from Central London is quite a journey! Taking it to Wood Lane and changing onto a N15 would probably be quicker I'd imagine. Making the 287 24h would be beneficial for those in Dagenham and Rainham, giving them a 24h link to Barking (and interchange to the N15). I wouldn't run it to Abbey Wood Lane though since that's very residential but at least run it to Rainham station. In an idealistic world the District line would be part of the night tube too.
With the 114 it's a pretty similar situation with no night routes travelling west of South Harrow. It's a shame the Met line Uxbridge branch isn't served by the night tube either TfL said at the start of Night Tube that the subsurface lines (Circle, District, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan) would see a overnight service at weekends in 2023 after signalling works were complete. We're 2/3 into the year with nothing being said, but there was a global pandemic so perhaps plans have been delayed somewhat. TfL also mentioned early on that the DLR would see a night service in 2021, something which clearly hasn't happened yet. Don't think the H&C was in the plans. Off the top of my head and a slightly hazy memory it would be Baker Street to Uxbridge on the Met. The full Circle Line and the District Line between Barking and Wimbledon. |
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Post by gwiwer on Aug 11, 2023 14:19:31 GMT
TfL said at the start of Night Tube that the subsurface lines (Circle, District, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan) would see a overnight service at weekends in 2023 after signalling works were complete. We're 2/3 into the year with nothing being said, but there was a global pandemic so perhaps plans have been delayed somewhat. TfL also mentioned early on that the DLR would see a night service in 2021, something which clearly hasn't happened yet. Don't think the H&C was in the plans. Off the top of my head and a slightly hazy memory it would be Baker Street to Uxbridge on the Met. The full Circle Line and the District Line between Barking and Wimbledon. Running the full Circle Line implies covering the H&C leg between Edgware Road and Hammersmith these days. If it doesn't do that then (a) it's missing some fairly busy areas with good night traffic and (b) how is the Circle Line to be resourced overnight? From Barking? |
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 11, 2023 14:42:11 GMT
Don't think the H&C was in the plans. Off the top of my head and a slightly hazy memory it would be Baker Street to Uxbridge on the Met. The full Circle Line and the District Line between Barking and Wimbledon. Running the full Circle Line implies covering the H&C leg between Edgware Road and Hammersmith these days. If it doesn't do that then (a) it's missing some fairly busy areas with good night traffic and (b) how is the Circle Line to be resourced overnight? From Barking? The line to Barking would definitely be a help to the N15. |
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Post by mondraker275 on Aug 11, 2023 15:36:05 GMT
I had been calling for the 158 to be 24 hours and was pretty confident it would when the 486 went 24 hours (486, that's south London I think). There were gaps not served by a night bus which during the day are served every 6 minutes, which is quite rare. Probably had a better case than the 123 but good that it is going 24 hours too.
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Post by mondraker275 on Aug 11, 2023 15:37:45 GMT
Let's also have some ibus announcements to let people know about routes going 24 hours.
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 11, 2023 15:45:45 GMT
I had been calling for the 158 to be 24 hours and was pretty confident it would when the 486 went 24 hours (486, that's south London I think). There were gaps not served by a night bus which during the day are served every 6 minutes, which is quite rare. Probably had a better case than the 123 but good that it is going 24 hours too. I wouldn't really call North Greenwich/Woolwich/Bexleyheath south London, even Lewisham and Bromley I'd count as SE London. I'd say South London is Brixton, Streatham, Peckham, Crystal Palace, Croydon etc |
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Post by londonboy71 on Aug 11, 2023 18:25:22 GMT
E1 night service should be reinstated.and maybe 120 night service would be useful
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Aug 11, 2023 18:32:45 GMT
E1 night service should be reinstated.and maybe 120 night service would be useful I don't really think an E1 night service is needed and I don't think one is needed for the 120 either. |
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Post by routew15 on Aug 11, 2023 18:38:12 GMT
Let's also have some ibus announcements to let people know about routes going 24 hours. I agree but it only seems to be route structure changes that seems to promote the need for announcements. The 485 announcements did include the amended operational hours as well as the route changes |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 11, 2023 18:46:06 GMT
Let's also have some ibus announcements to let people know about routes going 24 hours. I agree but it only seems to be route structure changes that seems to promote the need for announcements. The 485 announcements did include the amended operational hours as well as the route changes I do think that ibus announcements would be useful if the route is being converted to 24h service. That being said I question the usefulness of some announcements, they were still going on about the 607/SL8 changes on the SL8 last week! |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 11, 2023 19:07:23 GMT
E1 night service should be reinstated.and maybe 120 night service would be useful TfL haven't suddenly found a magic money tree. A service might be useful but if its not well used its just a waste of money. What I find interesting is the weekend night bus services never started back up when the night tube started up again yet suddenly services like the 123,158 and 486 are going / have gone 24/7. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 11, 2023 19:14:45 GMT
E1 night service should be reinstated.and maybe 120 night service would be useful TfL haven't suddenly found a magic money tree. A service might be useful but if its not well used its just a waste of money. What I find interesting is the weekend night bus services never started back up when the night tube started up again yet suddenly services like the 123,158 and 486 are going / have gone 24/7. There is an election next year. Yet again it's a vote grabbing tactic from Khan. Not saying he's the only one, but politicians will do anything to get you to vote for them. Watch how towards the end of next year and the year after we'll start seeing frequency cuts, possibly route withdrawals too |
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Post by bustavane on Aug 11, 2023 20:36:07 GMT
TfL haven't suddenly found a magic money tree. A service might be useful but if its not well used its just a waste of money. What I find interesting is the weekend night bus services never started back up when the night tube started up again yet suddenly services like the 123,158 and 486 are going / have gone 24/7. There is an election next year. Yet again it's a vote grabbing tactic from Khan. Not saying he's the only one, but politicians will do anything to get you to vote for them. Watch how towards the end of next year and the year after we'll start seeing frequency cuts, possibly route withdrawals too At one point, one might have hoped that Sadiq Khan back for another term with a Labour government, additional funding might be found. However, Khan's 3rd term looks less likely with the ULEZ farrago (even though Grant Shapps was the instigator of it), whilst a Labour government is far from certain. And even then, Khan and Starmer are not the best of bedfellows. With a Tory mayor and a hung parliament bus services could get a lot worse. Time to move to Manchester? |
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 11, 2023 20:51:21 GMT
There is an election next year. Yet again it's a vote grabbing tactic from Khan. Not saying he's the only one, but politicians will do anything to get you to vote for them. Watch how towards the end of next year and the year after we'll start seeing frequency cuts, possibly route withdrawals too At one point, one might have hoped that Sadiq Khan back for another term with a Labour government, additional funding might be found. However, Khan's 3rd term looks less likely with the ULEZ farrago (even though Grant Shapps was the instigator of it), whilst a Labour government is far from certain. And even then, Khan and Starmer are not the best of bedfellows. With a Tory mayor and a hung parliament bus services could get a lot worse. Time to move to Manchester? But Grant Shapps didn’t instigate the ULEZ expansion, that’s an entirely false narrative with zero evidence to suggest otherwise. First nowhere in the funding agreements did it mention expanding the ULEZ only to reintroduce it, second it was always and has been openly admitted by Kahn to be his policy and third it was specifically mentioned in the final funding letter that the bailout money couldn’t be used to expand ULEZ and anything related to it had to come from within TfL/City Hall budgets. Any potential Labour government will likely have to make reality decisions which will likely involve further budget cuts across the country. Whatever money is left would likely be distributed to areas outside London. |
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