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Post by mondraker275 on Aug 20, 2023 11:08:11 GMT
All 158 tiles updated to 24 hours since last week. No timetable updates, no news poster, no ibus announcement. Although emails sent out.
I assumed the same person updated tiles and timetable at same time.
No updates on 123 at all (except email).
Separatetly, I hope they do not make any amendments to the day timetable for 158.
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Post by gwiwer on Aug 21, 2023 15:40:37 GMT
Tbh I'm not that fussed because I know I'd never use the service because I don't live there, however it would be beneficial for those living in the area. I don't think there is any likelihood of it being reinstated to Bluewater. In order to maintain any service at all on the 477 it has been cut to a two-bus operation. It was very close to complete withdrawal as Arriva stated it was not commercially viable. I'm not sure what if any external factors were in play but as a London fringe service (operating outside the TfL network but partially within their area on a permit) it was asking commercial fares significantly higher than the TfL rate. Currently it would be on the £2 incentive therefore little different to TfL's current £1.75 which might have brought back a little business. There are good onward connections in Dartford to and from Bluewater although at the cost of an additional fare because that does not fall within the TfL Hopper Fare scheme. What would be beneficial, although I suspect unlikely for as long as Arriva are in charge, is to improve the base headway to every 20 minutes making it closer to a London-style service where you can more or less turn up and go. |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 21, 2023 16:52:00 GMT
I don't think there is any likelihood of it being reinstated to Bluewater. In order to maintain any service at all on the 477 it has been cut to a two-bus operation. It was very close to complete withdrawal as Arriva stated it was not commercially viable. I'm not sure what if any external factors were in play but as a London fringe service (operating outside the TfL network but partially within their area on a permit) it was asking commercial fares significantly higher than the TfL rate. Currently it would be on the £2 incentive therefore little different to TfL's current £1.75 which might have brought back a little business. There are good onward connections in Dartford to and from Bluewater although at the cost of an additional fare because that does not fall within the TfL Hopper Fare scheme. What would be beneficial, although I suspect unlikely for as long as Arriva are in charge, is to improve the base headway to every 20 minutes making it closer to a London-style service where you can more or less turn up and go. Yes I know the service was proposed for complete withdrawal and hopefully the service should be a bit more reliable now. I would have advocated a frequency increase a few years ago but post covid loadings have dropped considerably. |
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Post by londonbuses on Aug 27, 2023 13:32:34 GMT
Any idea about any changes taking place in September?
Hopefully there are a lot of upcoming improvements given the ULEZ expansion comes into place this Tuesday.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 27, 2023 14:44:39 GMT
Any idea about any changes taking place in September? Hopefully there are a lot of upcoming improvements given the ULEZ expansion comes into place this Tuesday. Would definitely seem that the 164 is not being extended in August now. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 27, 2023 15:32:32 GMT
Any idea about any changes taking place in September? Hopefully there are a lot of upcoming improvements given the ULEZ expansion comes into place this Tuesday. Why are you expecting more improvements than the ones already set out? To be clear, not saying there shouldn’t be any but more interested in where this expectation is coming from. I mean they could of made improvements to Inner London routes when the zone was extended to the North and South Circulars and yet nothing of any important note happened. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 27, 2023 16:08:05 GMT
Any idea about any changes taking place in September? Hopefully there are a lot of upcoming improvements given the ULEZ expansion comes into place this Tuesday. Why are you expecting more improvements than the ones already set out? To be clear, not saying there shouldn’t be any but more interested in where this expectation is coming from. I mean they could of made improvements to Inner London routes when the zone was extended to the North and South Circulars and yet nothing of any important note happened. I think one reason is that inner London routes didn't need improvements, and it's also why the ULEZ managed to expand to the Circulars with relatively little issue. Outer London routes need to have improvements in order for this scheme to be fair. Its a complete farce where cases like the SL1 and SL2 only straddle the North Circular which is around the existing border when really these improvements need to be further into outer London towards those who are affected by the changes. |
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Post by Busboy105 on Aug 27, 2023 16:22:58 GMT
Any idea about any changes taking place in September? Hopefully there are a lot of upcoming improvements given the ULEZ expansion comes into place this Tuesday. Would definitely seem that the 164 is not being extended in August now. Probably going to be extended in March with the Sutton/Croydon changes |
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 27, 2023 18:33:39 GMT
Would definitely seem that the 164 is not being extended in August now. Probably going to be extended in March with the Sutton/Croydon changes I’m still not convinced it is needed yet. The new hospital is still a long way off so it just adds unnecessary capacity to Brighton Road. |
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Post by gwiwer on Aug 27, 2023 20:28:15 GMT
For ULEZ to be seen by those in outer London boroughs as fair there needs to be a step-change in cross-border service provision and a complete re-think of the attitude which prevails in many cases of "not my problem" when a link happens to straddle the TfL boundary.
Hertfordshire is a bit of an exception but has long been a supporter of bus service provision. Kent is rather the opposite. Buckinghamshire has never really spoke to London either and London seems intent on taking the head-in-the-sand approach to anything which lies beyond their line on the map.
Buses across the London - Kent border have withered and died. No lnoger can one get a 402 between Bromley or Orpington and Sevenoaks. There is no bus at all making that link and precious few buses in Sevenoaks of any kind. The old 403 / 483 between Croydon and Tonbridge had a lengthy dead section beyond Chelsham Garage without a house to be seen in miles until Westerham so it is no surprise that nothing goes that way any more. There is a token service remaining between Tatsfield and Oxted / Westerham. The last time I used that the driver was so startled to see a passenger that he almost drove right past me. Croydon - Redhill and Kingston - Dorking operate under specific arrangements.
What of other once-frequent links? Uxbridge - Slough / Windsor once boasted up to six buses an hour between the 457, 457A and 458. Now it has one with large sections of those former routes unserved and no evening link at all. You can get into Slough more easily from Iver than Uxbridge which is closer. Waltham Cross - Potters Bar is still the 242 from LT days but offers just a few school-time trips rather than a bus every 20 - 30 minutes leaving Cuffley and Northaw almost without road transport. We have only just got a limited servic back between Barnet and Potters Bar after months of wrangling over who should pay for it. TfL shed the 84 as it was "mostly" in Hertfordshire and the nwe oprerator cut it back before finally cutting out out south of Potters Bar claiming it was uneconomic.
It is people who might want to make those trips who would benefit from the £2 (will be £2.50) fare initiative if only there were buses to suit their needs. The commercial fares rose to some quitre ridiculous levels making it no surprise that services were cut; who would pay £7 each way between Orpingtin and Sevenoaks for example? The incentive fare is a worthwhile initiative and the concept of ULEZ is arguably well-founded (even if the abrup imposition of it London-wide is not) but if there is no bus there is no alternative for many people some of whom are now to be forced into paying what amounts to a fine for driving to their nearest shopping / employment / medical centre which happens to be just inside a political boundary while they live just outside.
Some joined-up thinking is needed. And some heads need knocking together.
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Post by cardinal on Aug 28, 2023 1:59:57 GMT
For ULEZ to be seen by those in outer London boroughs as fair there needs to be a step-change in cross-border service provision and a complete re-think of the attitude which prevails in many cases of "not my problem" when a link happens to straddle the TfL boundary. Hertfordshire is a bit of an exception but has long been a supporter of bus service provision. Kent is rather the opposite. Buckinghamshire has never really spoke to London either and London seems intent on taking the head-in-the-sand approach to anything which lies beyond their line on the map. Buses across the London - Kent border have withered and died. No lnoger can one get a 402 between Bromley or Orpington and Sevenoaks. There is no bus at all making that link and precious few buses in Sevenoaks of any kind. The old 403 / 483 between Croydon and Tonbridge had a lengthy dead section beyond Chelsham Garage without a house to be seen in miles until Westerham so it is no surprise that nothing goes that way any more. There is a token service remaining between Tatsfield and Oxted / Westerham. The last time I used that the driver was so startled to see a passenger that he almost drove right past me. Croydon - Redhill and Kingston - Dorking operate under specific arrangements. What of other once-frequent links? Uxbridge - Slough / Windsor once boasted up to six buses an hour between the 457, 457A and 458. Now it has one with large sections of those former routes unserved and no evening link at all. You can get into Slough more easily from Iver than Uxbridge which is closer. Waltham Cross - Potters Bar is still the 242 from LT days but offers just a few school-time trips rather than a bus every 20 - 30 minutes leaving Cuffley and Northaw almost without road transport. We have only just got a limited servic back between Barnet and Potters Bar after months of wrangling over who should pay for it. TfL shed the 84 as it was "mostly" in Hertfordshire and the nwe oprerator cut it back before finally cutting out out south of Potters Bar claiming it was uneconomic. It is people who might want to make those trips who would benefit from the £2 (will be £2.50) fare initiative if only there were buses to suit their needs. The commercial fares rose to some quitre ridiculous levels making it no surprise that services were cut; who would pay £7 each way between Orpingtin and Sevenoaks for example? The incentive fare is a worthwhile initiative and the concept of ULEZ is arguably well-founded (even if the abrup imposition of it London-wide is not) but if there is no bus there is no alternative for many people some of whom are now to be forced into paying what amounts to a fine for driving to their nearest shopping / employment / medical centre which happens to be just inside a political boundary while they live just outside. Some joined-up thinking is needed. And some heads need knocking together. Couldn’t agree more. It is bureaucratic nonsense that prevents useful services. If Bluewater didn’t exist I doubt we would even have the 428 & 492. Kent is particularly poor at cross boundary provision also Essex. When you look at old timetables and see how places like Dartford was linked with Belvedere & Thamesmead , Sevenoaks with Bromley, Feltham with Walton on Thames / Shepperton / Chertsey & consider how demand as actually grown in some of areas . All of which will be effected by ULEZ , and no known Improvements at all planned. I’ve long said these invisible boundaries cause real problems. People get priced out of London boroughs and more and more are living further afield but still working inside a London. Borough , yet are not catered for in terms of adequate links , frequency or reliability. As you said , heads need banging together. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Aug 31, 2023 6:43:14 GMT
Londonbusroutes.net reporting that route 203 will be converted to double deck operation on 2nd September.
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Post by kmkcheng on Aug 31, 2023 10:16:45 GMT
Londonbusroutes.net reporting that route 203 will be converted to double deck operation on 2nd September. It’s part of the new contract from October 2022 tender announcement |
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Post by george on Aug 31, 2023 11:33:15 GMT
Have seen a post and will delete if not true of course.
Tfl bus updates starting from 9th September R68 will no longer be going to kew Retail Park, and the route bus journey will be from Hampton to Twickenham only.
The R70 bus will be replacing the R68 and will not be finishing at its usual last bus stop at Manor Circus as building works will be starting for the new flats.
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Post by TB123 on Aug 31, 2023 11:35:10 GMT
Have seen a post and will delete if not true of course. Tfl bus updates starting from 9th September R68 will no longer be going to kew Retail Park, and the route bus journey will be from Hampton to Twickenham only. The R70 bus will be replacing the R68 and will not be finishing at its usual last bus stop at Manor Circus as building works will be starting for the new flats. TfL are moving quickly without consultation these days!🤔🧐 |
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