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Post by SILENCED on Aug 16, 2023 14:09:06 GMT
Surprised uakari has not mentioned this, but Central Connect are starting route 84B from Potters Bar to Barnet from 4th September. Roughly hourly M-S without an evening service. Timetable linked below. bustimes.org/services/84b-barnet-hospital-potters-barIt is commercial, so the need for it needs to be proved, or it will undoubtedly disappear. |
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Post by bustavane on Aug 16, 2023 14:36:40 GMT
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 16, 2023 15:12:47 GMT
Cheers, had a busy day Monday, so did not read all the threads. Probably saw the title and thought, of no interest to me! At least the mentioned poster had not replied. And would seem still be be subject to funding being finalised on 23 August. |
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Post by uakari on Aug 16, 2023 17:00:54 GMT
Surprised uakari has not mentioned this, but Central Connect are starting route 84B from Potters Bar to Barnet from 4th September. Roughly hourly M-S without an evening service. Timetable linked below. bustimes.org/services/84b-barnet-hospital-potters-barIt is commercial, so the need for it needs to be proved, or it will undoubtedly disappear. Because I don't know much more about it than anyone else, until 23 August anyway, and so many people are negative about anything people try to set up when TfL won't, so what's the point in commenting? I do know that it's not fully commercial: Hertsmere Borough Council is making a sizeable subsidy in the absence of any funding from TfL or Hertfordshire County Council. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 16, 2023 17:08:37 GMT
Surprised uakari has not mentioned this, but Central Connect are starting route 84B from Potters Bar to Barnet from 4th September. Roughly hourly M-S without an evening service. Timetable linked below. bustimes.org/services/84b-barnet-hospital-potters-barIt is commercial, so the need for it needs to be proved, or it will undoubtedly disappear. Because I don't know much more about it than anyone else, until 23 August anyway, and so many people are negative about anything people try to set up when TfL won't, so what's the point in commenting? I do know that it's not fully commercial: Hertsmere Borough Council is making a sizeable subsidy in the absence of any funding from TfL or Hertfordshire County Council. Journey time looks 25 mins for most runs so could probably provide an hourly service with just 1 bus. |
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Post by uakari on Aug 16, 2023 17:13:14 GMT
Because I don't know much more about it than anyone else, until 23 August anyway, and so many people are negative about anything people try to set up when TfL won't, so what's the point in commenting? I do know that it's not fully commercial: Hertsmere Borough Council is making a sizeable subsidy in the absence of any funding from TfL or Hertfordshire County Council. Journey time looks 25 mins for most runs so could probably provide an hourly service with just 1 bus. Yes I think that's the idea. I've commented what I suspect it will do on the other thread now. They said they want to make a later evening and Sunday service at some point but no one is interested in running it yet. |
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Post by gwiwer on Aug 17, 2023 13:25:04 GMT
The 84B is a welcome return to common sense.
Buses which operate across political borders have too often become victom to one or other side (sometimes both) refusing to support a service which they might see as belonging the other side of the fence. Such was the case, I believe, when the 84 ceased south of Potters Bar; it ran into TfL's operating area but neither Herts nor TfL was willing to support the service each in effect blaming the other.
It's a single-vehicle operation which might be risky given that even a slight delay can affect the rest of the day's service but let's see how it goes.
Next stop Orpington - Sevenoaks? We can only hope.
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 17, 2023 15:51:16 GMT
The 84B is a welcome return to common sense. Buses which operate across political borders have too often become victom to one or other side (sometimes both) refusing to support a service which they might see as belonging the other side of the fence. Such was the case, I believe, when the 84 ceased south of Potters Bar; it ran into TfL's operating area but neither Herts nor TfL was willing to support the service each in effect blaming the other. It's a single-vehicle operation which might be risky given that even a slight delay can affect the rest of the day's service but let's see how it goes. Next stop Orpington - Sevenoaks? We can only hope. What's changed is that Hertsmere Borough Council has made an offer of funding. I believe it was in the Labour Party manifesto for the May 2023 local elections but I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong. The Council went from Conservative to No Overall Control in the election and it looks like Labour, although not the largest party, are governing in coalition with the Lib Dems (and possibly the two Green councillors as well) as both the Mayor and the Leader are now Labour councillors. Hertfordshire County Council, as the Local Transport Authority (LTA), has commissioned and contracted the new service so it is all ready to go, but it still needs Hertsmere councillors to agree to the funding which is scheduled for discussion at a meeting on 23rd August. |
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Post by TB123 on Aug 17, 2023 17:08:16 GMT
The 84B is a welcome return to common sense. Buses which operate across political borders have too often become victom to one or other side (sometimes both) refusing to support a service which they might see as belonging the other side of the fence. Such was the case, I believe, when the 84 ceased south of Potters Bar; it ran into TfL's operating area but neither Herts nor TfL was willing to support the service each in effect blaming the other. It's a single-vehicle operation which might be risky given that even a slight delay can affect the rest of the day's service but let's see how it goes. Next stop Orpington - Sevenoaks? We can only hope. What's changed is that Hertsmere Borough Council has made an offer of funding. I believe it was in the Labour Party manifesto for the May 2023 local elections but I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong. The Council went from Conservative to No Overall Control in the election and it looks like Labour, although not the largest party, are governing in coalition with the Lib Dems (and possibly the two Green councillors as well) as both the Mayor and the Leader are now Labour councillors. Hertfordshire County Council, as the Local Transport Authority (LTA), has commissioned and contracted the new service so it is all ready to go, but it still needs Hertsmere councillors to agree to the funding which is scheduled for discussion at a meeting on 23rd August. Oooh you're pointing out a Labour council doing good stuff, careful you'll have them all criticising you soon! Fair play to them - it was a big local election issue in Potters Bar, and they won extra votes & seats in the area - quite possibly off the back of it (amongst other things), and already they are actually making a start on turning words into deeds. I hope it's at least part of the £2 fare in the absence of it being a TfL route with a low, flat £1.75 fare. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 17, 2023 19:28:51 GMT
The 84B is a welcome return to common sense. Buses which operate across political borders have too often become victom to one or other side (sometimes both) refusing to support a service which they might see as belonging the other side of the fence. Such was the case, I believe, when the 84 ceased south of Potters Bar; it ran into TfL's operating area but neither Herts nor TfL was willing to support the service each in effect blaming the other. It's a single-vehicle operation which might be risky given that even a slight delay can affect the rest of the day's service but let's see how it goes. Next stop Orpington - Sevenoaks? We can only hope. Just wondering did the 477 ever run to Bluewater? If it did, I think that would be a welcome return. |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 17, 2023 19:56:13 GMT
The 84B is a welcome return to common sense. Buses which operate across political borders have too often become victom to one or other side (sometimes both) refusing to support a service which they might see as belonging the other side of the fence. Such was the case, I believe, when the 84 ceased south of Potters Bar; it ran into TfL's operating area but neither Herts nor TfL was willing to support the service each in effect blaming the other. It's a single-vehicle operation which might be risky given that even a slight delay can affect the rest of the day's service but let's see how it goes. Next stop Orpington - Sevenoaks? We can only hope. Just wondering did the 477 ever run to Bluewater? If it did, I think that would be a welcome return. Maybe suggest that to Arriva? They withdrew the Bluewater section last year. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 17, 2023 20:08:44 GMT
Just wondering did the 477 ever run to Bluewater? If it did, I think that would be a welcome return. Maybe suggest that to Arriva? They withdrew the Bluewater section last year. Tbh I'm not that fussed because I know I'd never use the service because I don't live there, however it would be beneficial for those living in the area. |
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Post by greenboy on Aug 17, 2023 20:10:35 GMT
Maybe suggest that to Arriva? They withdrew the Bluewater section last year. Tbh I'm not that fussed because I know I'd never use the service because I don't live there, however it would be beneficial for those living in the area. I don't think there is any likelihood of it being reinstated to Bluewater. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 17, 2023 20:13:45 GMT
Tbh I'm not that fussed because I know I'd never use the service because I don't live there, however it would be beneficial for those living in the area. I don't think there is any likelihood of it being reinstated to Bluewater. Shame but there are alternatives like catching a 51 then a 492, so connections to Bluewater aren't that bad |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 17, 2023 22:15:30 GMT
I don't think there is any likelihood of it being reinstated to Bluewater. Shame but there are alternatives like catching a 51 then a 492, so connections to Bluewater aren't that bad Hardly a good alternative, if you just miss a 492, you have a half an hour wait - that sort of thing drives people into cars |
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