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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 6, 2023 22:43:58 GMT
To confirm that works at St James Street was to increase stand space from 4 to 5, ready for 34 to stand from Saturday. They probably could have done more and increase to 6. If memory serves me, it had 6 capacity when it first opened. The line repainting was scheduled for last night to be done at Courtney Mews to increase stand space. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2023 21:49:30 GMT
For those interested,
M-F
First and last 316 to leave Brent Cross West at 05:08 and 24:00
First 316 to leave White City remains unchanged although last bus leaves at 24:09
SAT/SUN
First and last 316 to leave Brent Cross West at 05:08 and 23:48
First 316 to leave White City remains unchanged although last bus leaves at 23:57
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Post by gwiwer on Dec 9, 2023 16:20:36 GMT
Or indeed if anything is delayed anywhere. Getting out of Bromley on time isn't a given. Schools are largely out of the equation but there will be some school traffic for the first week. And Christmas shopping traffic at any time. The 464 isn't immune from delays either.
It only takes one bus to meet one vehicle of any sort in the narrows and the timetable can go out of the window. Not every car driver would willingly reverse (even though it is them who should do so) along Ricketts Hill or Ship Hill for example.
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Post by Paul on Dec 9, 2023 21:21:18 GMT
Or indeed if anything is delayed anywhere. Getting out of Bromley on time isn't a given. Schools are largely out of the equation but there will be some school traffic for the first week. And Christmas shopping traffic at any time. The 464 isn't immune from delays either. It only takes one bus to meet one vehicle of any sort in the narrows and the timetable can go out of the window. Not every car driver would willingly reverse (even though it is them who should do so) along Ricketts Hill or Ship Hill for example. Absolutely - I’ve been doing an evening shift this week and the traffic in and around Bromley has been ridiculous. I’ve been getting to Biggin Hill 15-20 minutes late and leaving Westerham at about the same given our dire lack of recovery time. If this is repeated from next Saturday the service is going to fall over completely and the excess amount of traffic on the diversion means meeting in the very narrow sections is almost certain. I’m very thankful I only have to put up with it for five days! |
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Post by evergreenadam on Dec 10, 2023 15:00:37 GMT
Or indeed if anything is delayed anywhere. Getting out of Bromley on time isn't a given. Schools are largely out of the equation but there will be some school traffic for the first week. And Christmas shopping traffic at any time. The 464 isn't immune from delays either. It only takes one bus to meet one vehicle of any sort in the narrows and the timetable can go out of the window. Not every car driver would willingly reverse (even though it is them who should do so) along Ricketts Hill or Ship Hill for example. Absolutely - I’ve been doing an evening shift this week and the traffic in and around Bromley has been ridiculous. I’ve been getting to Biggin Hill 15-20 minutes late and leaving Westerham at about the same given our dire lack of recovery time. If this is repeated from next Saturday the service is going to fall over completely and the excess amount of traffic on the diversion means meeting in the very narrow sections is almost certain. I’m very thankful I only have to put up with it for five days! Delays because of Christmas shopping traffic or just people driving their cars more because of bad weather? |
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Post by Paul on Dec 10, 2023 15:22:10 GMT
Absolutely - I’ve been doing an evening shift this week and the traffic in and around Bromley has been ridiculous. I’ve been getting to Biggin Hill 15-20 minutes late and leaving Westerham at about the same given our dire lack of recovery time. If this is repeated from next Saturday the service is going to fall over completely and the excess amount of traffic on the diversion means meeting in the very narrow sections is almost certain. I’m very thankful I only have to put up with it for five days! Delays because of Christmas shopping traffic or just people driving their cars more because of bad weather? Both have contributed but the schedule doesn’t help either - it just isn’t robust enough to cope with the amount of traffic we’re dealing with or the amount of people we’re carrying. I stopped at every stop yesterday between Biggin Hill Airport and the Aperfield Inn and despite there being no traffic in between and getting lucky with the traffic lights I lost over 4 minutes simply because the schedule doesn’t allow for that. The ideal solution would be another bus but that’s not going to happen so we’re left with the unsatisfying situation we’re having to put up with now |
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Post by Leccy86Hybrid on Dec 10, 2023 18:14:42 GMT
I think it’s say to say N86 will have extra’s this new years…. Extra duties have been put on and they have asked for volunteers.
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Post by evergreenadam on Dec 10, 2023 22:46:00 GMT
Delays because of Christmas shopping traffic or just people driving their cars more because of bad weather? Both have contributed but the schedule doesn’t help either - it just isn’t robust enough to cope with the amount of traffic we’re dealing with or the amount of people we’re carrying. I stopped at every stop yesterday between Biggin Hill Airport and the Aperfield Inn and despite there being no traffic in between and getting lucky with the traffic lights I lost over 4 minutes simply because the schedule doesn’t allow for that. The ideal solution would be another bus but that’s not going to happen so we’re left with the unsatisfying situation we’re having to put up with now I guess there might be some hope of an extra bus if the route is carrying more passengers, or is the increase in loadings just a temporary pre-Christmas thing? |
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Post by Paul on Dec 10, 2023 23:17:48 GMT
Both have contributed but the schedule doesn’t help either - it just isn’t robust enough to cope with the amount of traffic we’re dealing with or the amount of people we’re carrying. I stopped at every stop yesterday between Biggin Hill Airport and the Aperfield Inn and despite there being no traffic in between and getting lucky with the traffic lights I lost over 4 minutes simply because the schedule doesn’t allow for that. The ideal solution would be another bus but that’s not going to happen so we’re left with the unsatisfying situation we’re having to put up with now I guess there might be some hope of an extra bus if the route is carrying more passengers, or is the increase in loadings just a temporary pre-Christmas thing? It could just be a pre-Christmas thing but it feels like we’ve definitely been carrying more people all year |
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Post by Leccy86Hybrid on Dec 11, 2023 6:07:32 GMT
Regarding N86 Extra’s on NYE:
N86 will run every 10mins between Stratford and Romford and every 20mins between Romford and Harold Harold Hill, there’s about 12 duties
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Post by Leccy86Hybrid on Dec 12, 2023 17:44:14 GMT
New Year's Eve night bus services
Routes Amended: 6, 8, 21, 35, 36, 37, 44, 47, 87, 97, 104, 108, 109, 129, 131, 132, 153, 158, 171, 188, 214, 238, 254, 280, 297, 407, N2, N18, N25, N29, N86, N98, N109, N205, N207 and W3
A Sunday night service will be in operation on all night and 24-hour bus routes this New Year's Eve. A large number of road closures will come into force from 1900 until around 0430 with buses curtailed to bus hubs outside of the closure area.
There will also be additional enhancements on the following routes:
Additional journeys will run on route 6 at between Aldwych and Kensal Rise Station in both directions between 0030 and 0200.
Additional journeys will run on route 8 at 0025, 0055 and 0125 from Tottenham Court Road Station to Bow Church
Additional journeys will run on route 21 at 0126 and 0138 from London Bridge to Lewisham
Route 35 will run an enhanced service with a bus every 7-8 minutes all night long between Clapham Junction and Elephant & Castle with services running beyond Elephant & Castle to Shoreditch every 15 minutes.
Additional journeys will run on route 36 at 0357 from New Cross Gate to Marble Arch and at 0414 and 0444 from Marble Arch to New Cross Gate
Route 37 will run an enhanced service with a bus every 15 minutes all night long between Peckham Bus Station and Putney Heath
Additional journeys will run on route 44 at 0021 and 0044 from Victoria Station to Tooting Station.
Additional journeys will run on route 47 from London Bridge to Lewisham at 2113, 2151, 2211, 2231, 2311, 2331, 2351, 0031 and 0051 and from London Bridge to Catford Garage at 0111, 0141 and 0210.
Route 87 will be curtailed to run between Lambeth Bridge and Wandsworth only after 1400 and then between Vauxhall Bus Station and Wandsworth after 1930. Route 87 will run additional journeys from Midnight until 0130 with buses running every 10 minutes in both directions between Vauxhall Bus Station and Wandsworth.
Additional journeys will run on route 97 at 0028, 0043, 0058, 0118, 0138 and 0158 from Chingford Bus Station to Stratford City Bus Station and at 0055, 0110, 0125, 0140 and 0200 from Stratford City Bus Station to Chingford Bus Station.
Additional journeys will run on route 104 at 0140, 0200 and 0220 from Beckton Bus Station to Stratford Bus Station and at 0130, 0150, 0210 and 0230 from Stratford Bus Station to Beckton Bus Station.
Short working journeys will run on route 108 from North Greenwich Bus Station towards Lewisham Town Centre every 8 minutes between 2245 and 0130 using double deck buses. This is alongside the 30 minute service between Stratford International and Lewisham Town Centre. Note the additional service will run every 20 minutes from Lewisham Town Centre back towards North Greenwich Bus Station.
Additional journeys will run on route 109 at 2350, 2400, 0010, 0020 and 0030 towards from Croydon Town Centre to Brixton Station and at 0030, 0040 and 0050 from Brixton Station to Croydon Town Centre.
A revised late evening timetable will be in operation on route 129 with changes to times and additional journeys. Buses will depart North Greenwich Bus Station for Lewisham Town Centre at 2348, 0008, 0030, 0100, 0130 and 0200 and from Lewisham Town Centre for North Greenwich Bus Station at 0037, 0100, 0130 and 0200.
Additional journeys will run on route 131 from Kingston to Tooting Broadway at 0015, 0035, 0055, 0115, 0140 and 0200 and from Tooting Broadway to Kingston at 0100, 0120, 0140 and 0200.
A revised late evening timetable will be in operation on route 132 with changes to times and additional journeys. Buses will depart North Greenwich Bus Station for Bexleyheath at 0100, 0120, 0145, 0215 and 0245 and from Bexleyheath for North Greenwich Bus Station at 0010, 0030, 0100, 0130, 0200 and 0230.
Route 153 will be reduced to run every 15 minutes from 1700 until last bus in both directions.
Route 158 will have a frequency increase to every 26-27 minutes all night long between Chingford Mount and Stratford Bus Station.
Additional journeys will run on route 171 at 0010, 0040 and 0109 from Elephant & Castle to New Cross Bus Garage.
Route 188 will be curtailed to run between Elephant & Castle and North Greenwich Bus Station only after 1800. Extra buses will run on route 188 between 0130 and 0430 providing a 15 minute service between North Greenwich Bus Station and Canada Water Bus Station with every other bus extending to and from Elephant & Castle.
Route 214 will be reduced to run every 15 minutes from 1700 until 0030 in both directions.
Route 238 will run an enhanced service with buses running every 20 minutes between 0015 and 0515 between Barking Station and Stratford Bus Station and 0050 and 0520 between Stratford Bus Station and Barking Station.
Route 254 will run every 30 minutes all night long between Aldgate Bus Station and Holloway, Nags Head providing a combined 15 minute service with route N253 between Aldgate and Holloway.
Additional journeys will run on route 280 from St George's Hospital to Belmont Station at 0040, 0100, 0120, 0140 and 0200 and from Belmont Station to St George's Hospital at 0042, 0102, 0122, 0142 and 0202.
Additional journeys will run on route 297. Buses will depart Ealing Broadway for Willesden Bus Garage at 0028, 0049, 0110, 0130, 0150, 0210, 0230, 0300, 0330, 0400 and 0430. Buses will depart Willesden Bus Garage for Ealing Broadway at 0014, 0034, 0054, 0115, 0135, 0155, 0215, 0245, 0315, 0345, 0415 and 0445.
Additional journeys will run on route 407 from Sutton Town Centre to Caterham Station at 0100, 0130, 0200, 0230, 0300, 0330, 0400 and 0430 with journeys at 0425 and 0455 terminating at Purley, Tesco. Buses depart Caterham Station for Sutton Town Centre at 0100, 0130, 0200, 0230, 0300, 0330, 0400 and 0430 with journeys at 0500 and 0530 terminating at Beddington, Plough.
Additional journeys will run on route W3 at 0050, 0100 and 0140 from Northumberland Park to Finsbury Park.
Short working journeys will run on route N2 from Brixton Station to Crystal Palace Bus Station every 30 minutes. This is alongside the 30 minute service between Marylebone Station and Crystal Palace Bus Station. This will provide a 15 minute service between Brixton and Crystal Palace.
Route N18 will run between Oxford Circus and Sudbury or Harrow Weald only. A revised timetable will be in operation with additional journeys running at 2358, 0010, 0022 and 0046 between Oxford Circus and Harlesden, Jubilee Clock and revised times before 0130 with departures from Oxford Circus to Harrow Weald at 0034 and 0109 and from Oxford Circus to Sudbury, Swan at 0058 and 0121.
Route N25 will run an enhanced service with a bus every 8 minutes between Oxford Circus and Ilford, Hainault Street.
Additional buses will run every 20 minutes on route N29 between Camden Town Station and Wood Green Station alongside the normal 10 minute service between Tottenham Court Road Station and Enfield Town.
Additional journeys will run all night on route N86 between Stratford Bus Station and Romford Station alongside the normal 30 minute service between Stratford Bus Station and Harold Hill.
A revised timetable will be in operation on route N98 with additional buses departing Holborn before 0130 for Stanmore Station at 0015, 0045 and 0115 and for Willesden Bus Garage only at 0025, 0035, 0055, 0105 and 0130. The normal 15 minute service to Willesden Bus Garage with every other bus extended to Stanmore Station resumes after 0130.
A revised timetable will be in operation on route N109 with buses running every 10 minutes between Imperial War Museum and Croydon Town Centre only. There will be no service between Imperial War Museum and Oxford Circus due to road closure for the firework event.
Route N205 will run an enhanced service with a bus every 15 minutes all night long between Paddington Station and Leyton, Downsell Road.
Route N207 will have some additional journeys with buses running every 12 minutes until 0200 between Holborn Station and Hayes By-Pass with every other bus continuing to Uxbridge. After 0200 buses will run every 15 minutes between Holborn Station and Hayes By-Pass with every other bus continuing to Uxbridge.
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Post by mondraker275 on Dec 12, 2023 18:05:41 GMT
Alot to unpack and wonder what influences what gets increased and by how much. The 158 going from 30 mins to 26-27... OK...
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Post by londonbuses on Dec 12, 2023 18:22:23 GMT
Looks like the only additional night service running (not an enhanced frequency or additional journeys) is the 407.
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Post by abellion on Dec 12, 2023 18:33:20 GMT
Alot to unpack and wonder what influences what gets increased and by how much. The 158 going from 30 mins to 26-27... OK... I wonder how they choose these too, also an awful lot of extra drivers |
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 12, 2023 18:35:34 GMT
Looks like the only additional night service running (not an enhanced frequency or additional journeys) is the 407. Yes quite different this year with a handful of later journeys/freq increases as opposed to an all night service on the 154/163/164/358/412 etc. Maybe it's been found people are either out all night (and can get the first bus of the day home) or they done by 1pm and head home. |
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