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Post by redbus on Jun 17, 2024 23:28:32 GMT
This is sheer lunacy, all too typical of TfL's couldn't-give-a-toss attitude to bus users (key bus stop closures, nonsensical inadequate iBus, disinformation and ever fewer iBus screens at stops, no proper maps...). There are plenty of spare buses and I suspect drivers around, so instead of reducing services, add a couple of buses for the duration of HS2, gas, water, sewer, electricity, fibre or whatever-works. It's not as if these are sporadic occasional events, they're commonplace, so in a customer-centric world, which alas TfL manifestly isn't, additional resources would be specified to cover these regular and predictable occurrences. The question is - who pays? In the past it was TfL itself who paid operators for additional buses and drivers to maintain frequencies, but now its operating budget has been tightened. We could get the utilities to pay compensation for the disruption their works cause, and use this money to fund the extra buses and drivers. But then our bills would go up. If the utility companies had to pay, you might find they did it more efficiently and faster. |
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 18, 2024 8:00:43 GMT
Presumably a new stop is going to be placed on Prince of Wales Drive for Battersea Park Station? Currently a bus stand for the 436. Or is is going to serve Battersea Dogs & Cats Home towards Hammersmith as well then turn right onto Prince of Wales Drive? Route 211 will serve Battersea Park Station (bus stop P) on Prince of Wales Drive in the direction towards Hammersmith according to the TFL Journey Planner. This stop is currently the final stop on route 436 towards Battersea Park Station so I think it will be a new stop as well as a stand (for route 436). On Google Maps, it shows that there's a bus stop marking on the road with no bus stop flag as of yet (although images from there are from October 2022) with route 436's stand just ahead of that bus stop marking. I imagine TFL will install a bus stop there in due course however I imagine that for the time being they will put one of those temporary yellow bus stop there. Thank you for the information. Do you have any idea where the stand is and where it will turn around? |
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Post by M1104 on Jun 18, 2024 10:27:31 GMT
Route 211 will serve Battersea Park Station (bus stop P) on Prince of Wales Drive in the direction towards Hammersmith according to the TFL Journey Planner. This stop is currently the final stop on route 436 towards Battersea Park Station so I think it will be a new stop as well as a stand (for route 436). On Google Maps, it shows that there's a bus stop marking on the road with no bus stop flag as of yet (although images from there are from October 2022) with route 436's stand just ahead of that bus stop marking. I imagine TFL will install a bus stop there in due course however I imagine that for the time being they will put one of those temporary yellow bus stop there. Thank you for the information. Do you have any idea where the stand is and where it will turn around? Presumably Cringle Street as the bus stop flag is said to still be there and the relevant streets are still used for turning around with the occasional 156 and 344 curtailments |
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 18, 2024 10:38:58 GMT
Thank you for the information. Do you have any idea where the stand is and where it will turn around? Presumably Cringle Street as the bus stop flag is said to still be there and the relevant streets are still used for turning around with the occasional 156 and 344 curtailments Pump House Lane, Kirtling Street & Cringle Street is the roads? |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 18, 2024 10:44:38 GMT
Presumably Cringle Street as the bus stop flag is said to still be there and the relevant streets are still used for turning around with the occasional 156 and 344 curtailments Pump House Lane, Kirtling Street & Cringle Street is the roads? Should be as that’s where buses would go when doing Nine Elms turns in the past |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 18, 2024 10:47:12 GMT
Thank you for the information. Do you have any idea where the stand is and where it will turn around? Presumably Cringle Street as the bus stop flag is said to still be there and the relevant streets are still used for turning around with the occasional 156 and 344 curtailments If it’s still in the same location as show on Google Maps it’ll need to be moved. Then again Cringle Street has been closed on and off for years so it could look very different. |
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Post by M1104 on Jun 18, 2024 11:28:24 GMT
Presumably Cringle Street as the bus stop flag is said to still be there and the relevant streets are still used for turning around with the occasional 156 and 344 curtailments Pump House Lane, Kirtling Street & Cringle Street is the roads? They are indeed |
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Post by M1104 on Jun 18, 2024 11:30:54 GMT
Presumably Cringle Street as the bus stop flag is said to still be there and the relevant streets are still used for turning around with the occasional 156 and 344 curtailments If it’s still in the same location as show on Google Maps it’ll need to be moved. Then again Cringle Street has been closed on and off for years so it could look very different. Not precisely sure where it is now but I would imagine it's already set up for the 211 change |
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Post by abc on Jun 19, 2024 22:46:25 GMT
If it’s still in the same location as show on Google Maps it’ll need to be moved. Then again Cringle Street has been closed on and off for years so it could look very different. Not precisely sure where it is now but I would imagine it's already set up for the 211 change Hadn't been set up 2 days ago, but there are markings for one bus to stand. Unsure whether this is sufficient for 211. As for the 436 stand, the markings are after the stop. The stand is under the bridge, while the stop right before it. When 156 used to go through Prince of Wales Drive, there used to be a stop in the direction of the Power Station, but that has been removed many years ago. |
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jun 21, 2024 15:29:17 GMT
Yellow notices have finally been put up along the 211 route informing passengers about the reroute to Battersea Power Station from Saturday June 29th. It features a map which I thought is very informative. New timetables for route 211 have been put up as well. Apparently, it should take 33 mins to get from Hammersmith Bus Station to Battersea Power Station, yeah lol good luck with that happening with the amount of traffic hotspots this route goes through even with the reroute.
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Post by abellion on Jun 21, 2024 17:26:50 GMT
Yellow notices have finally been put up along the 211 route informing passengers about the reroute to Battersea Power Station from Saturday June 29th. It features a map which I thought is very informative. New timetables for route 211 have been put up as well. Apparently, it should take 33 mins to get from Hammersmith Bus Station to Battersea Power Station, yeah lol good luck with that happening with the amount of traffic hotspots this route goes through even with the reroute. The new timetable displays are so unbelievably inaccurate, as if they’re using the timings from extreme hours to convince people that buses are actually that quick of an option throughout the day |
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Post by greenboy on Jun 21, 2024 17:37:19 GMT
Yellow notices have finally been put up along the 211 route informing passengers about the reroute to Battersea Power Station from Saturday June 29th. It features a map which I thought is very informative. New timetables for route 211 have been put up as well. Apparently, it should take 33 mins to get from Hammersmith Bus Station to Battersea Power Station, yeah lol good luck with that happening with the amount of traffic hotspots this route goes through even with the reroute. The new timetable displays are so unbelievably inaccurate, as if they’re using the timings from extreme hours to convince people that buses are actually that quick of an option throughout the day Exactly, 33 minutes might be possible early morning and late evening but it currently takes longer than that to get from Hammersmith to Sloane Square in the daytime. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 21, 2024 18:07:23 GMT
Yellow notices have finally been put up along the 211 route informing passengers about the reroute to Battersea Power Station from Saturday June 29th. It features a map which I thought is very informative. New timetables for route 211 have been put up as well. Apparently, it should take 33 mins to get from Hammersmith Bus Station to Battersea Power Station, yeah lol good luck with that happening with the amount of traffic hotspots this route goes through even with the reroute. The new timetable displays are so unbelievably inaccurate, as if they’re using the timings from extreme hours to convince people that buses are actually that quick of an option throughout the day Yes the 53 now takes 52 mins from Lambeth North to PD whereas the last one gave the time from LN to Blackheath as 61 mins alone. |
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Post by busman on Jun 21, 2024 18:12:59 GMT
The new timetable displays are so unbelievably inaccurate, as if they’re using the timings from extreme hours to convince people that buses are actually that quick of an option throughout the day Yes the 53 now takes 52 mins from Lambeth North to PD whereas the last one gave the time from LN to Blackheath as 62 mins alone. 52 minutes LOL!! Certainly not during the day. I remember taking a 53 from Lambeth North to Woolwich on a Saturday afternoon back in 2009. Took around 90 minutes. Never again after that. |
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Post by gwiwer on Jun 21, 2024 22:06:29 GMT
TfL has control of the answers to extended journey times (which are putting passengers off using buses) and padded schedules.
Traffic light phasing can be improved and co-ordinated in some cases to prioritise bus routes. Transponders fitted to vehicles co-acting with the lights is hardly a new idea and allowing "more green" to get buses through likewise. Control of parking also falls within TfL's remit in some cases; removing the assumed all-surpassing right of "White Van Man" to stop anywhere and unload will free up essential road space and remove blockages. Deliveries can usually be managed by stopping nearby as an alternative to "right outside".
Some co-ordination of planned roadworks can take place to ensure (so far as possible) that multiple works in close proximity do not occur at the same time. I remember one classic case where there was a set of temporary lights causing mayhem on East India Dock Road for re-surfacing. 100 metres beyond those works was another set of lights where one of the utilities was digging up the brand new road surface to lay some cables. Limehouse to Chrisp Street, not half a mile, took almost an hour!
20mph speed limits are a major disincentive to travel what ever the (questionable) safety considerations. It has been suggested they are responsible for as many minor accidents as they prevent; they are certainly responsible for more not less emissions as motorists use lower gears and are on the road for longer times. Returning key roads to 30mph will allow buses to travel faster once more. Bus speeds are of necessity reduced by the need to stop frequently; this has the effect of bringing average speeds in 20mph areas down to around 8mph or less. It was faster 100 years ago with a horse and cart.
Reading these posts it is apparent that some schedules have excessive padding to ensure punctual and (hopefully) reliable operation but which result in buses standing to wait time at frequent intervals. Again this offers a significant disincentive to travel because this is perceived as wasted time by passengers and is frustrating to all concerned.
TfL is unique in having more control of the road network in London and of road traffic overall than any other authority in the UK. They continue to let us down badly.
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