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Post by DE20106 on Jun 15, 2024 19:14:38 GMT
Yes and no. TfL would be far from the only operator to adopt a system of adding the hours to the previous day when the service / duty involved is a part of that and then breaks for the night. It can also be a feature of some software. I quickly learned (in Australia) that some shifts I was required to work ended as late as 26.30 (02.30) but that booking on after midnight which counted as the next day would be at 00.01 not 24.01. Rates of pay were adjusted accordingly; if you started on a Friday and finished at 26.30 (Saturday morning) you were paid standard rate throughout. If you booked on at 00.01 Saturday you were paid Saturday rate ..... On a Friday night the N199 continues to run until 3025. (0625 Sat) If the N199 lasts until 3025 that will probably put it in contention for one of the longest lasting night routes ever 🤣 |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 16, 2024 8:00:10 GMT
Temporary timetable on the 31 with the freq to every 12 mins (17 mins early mornings). Far cry from the old freq back in the day.
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Post by linus on Jun 16, 2024 11:37:18 GMT
This is sheer lunacy, all too typical of TfL's couldn't-give-a-toss attitude to bus users (key bus stop closures, nonsensical inadequate iBus, disinformation and ever fewer iBus screens at stops, no proper maps...). There are plenty of spare buses and I suspect drivers around, so instead of reducing services, add a couple of buses for the duration of HS2, gas, water, sewer, electricity, fibre or whatever-works.
It's not as if these are sporadic occasional events, they're commonplace, so in a customer-centric world, which alas TfL manifestly isn't, additional resources would be specified to cover these regular and predictable occurrences.
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 16, 2024 12:48:22 GMT
This is sheer lunacy, all too typical of TfL's couldn't-give-a-toss attitude to bus users (key bus stop closures, nonsensical inadequate iBus, disinformation and ever fewer iBus screens at stops, no proper maps...). There are plenty of spare buses and I suspect drivers around, so instead of reducing services, add a couple of buses for the duration of HS2, gas, water, sewer, electricity, fibre or whatever-works. It's not as if these are sporadic occasional events, they're commonplace, so in a customer-centric world, which alas TfL manifestly isn't, additional resources would be specified to cover these regular and predictable occurrences. The question is - who pays? In the past it was TfL itself who paid operators for additional buses and drivers to maintain frequencies, but now its operating budget has been tightened. We could get the utilities to pay compensation for the disruption their works cause, and use this money to fund the extra buses and drivers. But then our bills would go up. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 16, 2024 12:57:40 GMT
This is sheer lunacy, all too typical of TfL's couldn't-give-a-toss attitude to bus users (key bus stop closures, nonsensical inadequate iBus, disinformation and ever fewer iBus screens at stops, no proper maps...). There are plenty of spare buses and I suspect drivers around, so instead of reducing services, add a couple of buses for the duration of HS2, gas, water, sewer, electricity, fibre or whatever-works. It's not as if these are sporadic occasional events, they're commonplace, so in a customer-centric world, which alas TfL manifestly isn't, additional resources would be specified to cover these regular and predictable occurrences. The question is - who pays? In the past it was TfL itself who paid operators for additional buses and drivers to maintain frequencies, but now its operating budget has been tightened. We could get the utilities to pay compensation for the disruption their works cause, and use this money to fund the extra buses and drivers. But then our bills would go up. The problem isn’t entirely the utility companies, if they have to dig up a road then fine. The problem is when the councils don’t have clear communication between each other and TfL to limit roadworks on key routes to one at a time or on key bus routes. Then you have the Health and Safety executive who insist on having temporary lights or lane closures even when the utility companies are only working on pavements. Then there is the lack of 24 hour working on night works on key routes. The point I’m making is that these are all part of an overall issue but the utility companies themselves are only, in my opinion, 30% to blame. |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jun 16, 2024 14:06:04 GMT
The question is - who pays? In the past it was TfL itself who paid operators for additional buses and drivers to maintain frequencies, but now its operating budget has been tightened. We could get the utilities to pay compensation for the disruption their works cause, and use this money to fund the extra buses and drivers. But then our bills would go up. The problem isn’t entirely the utility companies, if they have to dig up a road then fine. The problem is when the councils don’t have clear communication between each other and TfL to limit roadworks on key routes to one at a time or on key bus routes. Then you have the Health and Safety executive who insist on having temporary lights or lane closures even when the utility companies are only working on pavements. Then there is the lack of 24 hour working on night works on key routes. The point I’m making is that these are all part of an overall issue but the utility companies themselves are only, in my opinion, 30% to blame. Another point I made to Council officials at a meeting not long ago was that temporary traffic lights should be synced to the regular traffic lights via SCOOT. Apparently there's no will for that sadly nor do they seem to be able to mandate it. Very odd as TfL is very concerned with traffic light phases and cycles and junction capacity on their regular lights, but they don't even sign off on temporary traffic light phases... which often leads them to be suboptimally timed, especially in relation with the normal traffic lights. |
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Post by lonmark on Jun 16, 2024 17:33:00 GMT
From Saturday 29 June, Route 211 will be changed to run from Hammersmith Upper Bus Station to Battersea Power Station via Charing Cross Hospital, Fulham Broadway, King's Road, Sloane Square and Chelsea Bridge. Route 77 will now start and finish on the Upper Taxi Road at Waterloo Station. Route 211 will now run from Hammersmith Upper Bus Station via its current route to Sloane Square where it will be rerouted via Lower Sloane Street, Chelsea Bridge Road, Chelsea Bridge, Queenstown Road, Queen's Circus, Prince Of Wales Drive and Battersea Park Road to terminate at Battersea Power Station. The current section of route between Sloane Square and Waterloo will no longer be served by route 211 however passengers can still use route 11 which will cover the withdrawn section of route 211. Passengers can interchange between the 11 and 211 in both directions at the Sloane Square bus stops located on Lower Sloane Street. Route 211 will continue to run every 8-9 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Fridays, every 10 minutes during the daytime on Saturdays and every 15 minutes during the evening and all day on Sundays. First buses on route 211 will continue to depart Hammersmith Bus Station at 0505 and from Battersea Power Station at 0525 on all days of the week. Last buses will depart Hammersmith Upper Bus Station at 2400 and from Battersea Power Station at 0010 on all days of the week. Route 77 will have its routeing and stops amended at Waterloo Station. Towards Waterloo route 77 will no longer serve bus stop F at County Hall or the current last stop on Concert Hall Approach. Instead, buses will be rerouted via Station Approach Road to Cab Road setting down by entrance / exit number 3 at Waterloo mainline station. On departure to Tooting route 77 buses will pick up from bus stop B on Cab Road before re-joining the current routeing on York Road. Route 77 buses will no longer pick up from bus stop T on Concert Hall Approach. There will be a minor timetable change on route 77 to reflect the new routeing however no change to the departure times of first and last buses on any day of the week. The route will continue to run every 10 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and every 12 minutes during the evening and all day on Sundays. for route 77 change. postimg.cc/rKsTzLwb for route 211 change. |
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jun 17, 2024 16:06:34 GMT
New stops on rerouted route 211 have been confirmed by TFL Journey Planner
towards Battersea Power Station
Royal Hospital Chelsea
Ebury Bridge Road / Chelsea Bridge Road
Lister Hospital
Battersea Park / Chelsea Gate
Sopwith Way
Battersea Dogs And Cats Home
Battersea Power Station
towards Hammersmith
Battersea Power Station
Battersea Park Station
Sopwith Way
Battersea Park / Chelsea Gate
Lister Hospital
Royal Hospital Chelsea
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 17, 2024 17:37:46 GMT
New stops on rerouted route 211 have been confirmed by TFL Journey Planner towards Battersea Power Station Royal Hospital Chelsea Ebury Bridge Road / Chelsea Bridge Road Lister Hospital Battersea Park / Chelsea Gate Sopwith Way Battersea Dogs And Cats Home Battersea Power Station towards Hammersmith Battersea Power Station Battersea Park Station Sopwith Way Battersea Park / Chelsea Gate Lister Hospital Royal Hospital Chelsea All the stops served by the 137 except a few. I’m surprised it’s not serving Battersea Park Station towards the Power Station. |
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Post by abellion on Jun 17, 2024 18:16:13 GMT
New stops on rerouted route 211 have been confirmed by TFL Journey Planner towards Battersea Power Station Royal Hospital Chelsea Ebury Bridge Road / Chelsea Bridge Road Lister Hospital Battersea Park / Chelsea Gate Sopwith Way Battersea Dogs And Cats Home Battersea Power Station towards Hammersmith Battersea Power Station Battersea Park Station Sopwith Way Battersea Park / Chelsea Gate Lister Hospital Royal Hospital Chelsea All the stops served by the 137 except a few. I’m surprised it’s not serving Battersea Park Station towards the Power Station. Now it will get stuck in the annoying traffic buildup that 156/344 do towards Clapham. There are two/three direct (depending on direction) buses from Park Station to Power Station, it would be nice for it to just use Prince of Wales Drive both ways to prioritise making it a faster connection to and from BPS. |
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 17, 2024 18:31:17 GMT
All the stops served by the 137 except a few. I’m surprised it’s not serving Battersea Park Station towards the Power Station. Now it will get stuck in the annoying traffic buildup that 156/344 do towards Clapham. There are two/three direct (depending on direction) buses from Park Station to Power Station, it would be nice for it to just use Prince of Wales Drive both ways to prioritise making it a faster connection to and from BPS. The traffic there is not that bad to be honest… |
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jun 17, 2024 19:06:41 GMT
All the stops served by the 137 except a few. I’m surprised it’s not serving Battersea Park Station towards the Power Station. Now it will get stuck in the annoying traffic buildup that 156/344 do towards Clapham. There are two/three direct (depending on direction) buses from Park Station to Power Station, it would be nice for it to just use Prince of Wales Drive both ways to prioritise making it a faster connection to and from BPS. Route 211 will be going via Prince of Wales Drive in both directions according to the map that TFL released in the Journey Planner |
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 17, 2024 19:13:40 GMT
Now it will get stuck in the annoying traffic buildup that 156/344 do towards Clapham. There are two/three direct (depending on direction) buses from Park Station to Power Station, it would be nice for it to just use Prince of Wales Drive both ways to prioritise making it a faster connection to and from BPS. Route 211 will be going via Prince of Wales Drive in both directions according to the map that TFL released in the Journey Planner Thanks for confirming that. Actually makes sense and a much faster route. |
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 17, 2024 19:19:31 GMT
Now it will get stuck in the annoying traffic buildup that 156/344 do towards Clapham. There are two/three direct (depending on direction) buses from Park Station to Power Station, it would be nice for it to just use Prince of Wales Drive both ways to prioritise making it a faster connection to and from BPS. Route 211 will be going via Prince of Wales Drive in both directions according to the map that TFL released in the Journey Planner Presumably a new stop is going to be placed on Prince of Wales Drive for Battersea Park Station? Currently a bus stand for the 436. Or is is going to serve Battersea Dogs & Cats Home towards Hammersmith as well then turn right onto Prince of Wales Drive? |
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jun 17, 2024 23:08:11 GMT
Route 211 will be going via Prince of Wales Drive in both directions according to the map that TFL released in the Journey Planner Presumably a new stop is going to be placed on Prince of Wales Drive for Battersea Park Station? Currently a bus stand for the 436. Or is is going to serve Battersea Dogs & Cats Home towards Hammersmith as well then turn right onto Prince of Wales Drive? Route 211 will serve Battersea Park Station (bus stop P) on Prince of Wales Drive in the direction towards Hammersmith according to the TFL Journey Planner. This stop is currently the final stop on route 436 towards Battersea Park Station so I think it will be a new stop as well as a stand (for route 436). On Google Maps, it shows that there's a bus stop marking on the road with no bus stop flag as of yet (although images from there are from October 2022) with route 436's stand just ahead of that bus stop marking. I imagine TFL will install a bus stop there in due course however I imagine that for the time being they will put one of those temporary yellow bus stop there. |
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