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Post by rmz19 on Oct 17, 2014 9:20:49 GMT
Regarding the R routes in the Orpington area, does 'Roundabout' mean they have a loop section within the route?, because the only ones that do are R2 (tiny loop), R8 (small loop), and R5/R10 (massive loop). 'Roundabout' stands for 'Roundabout Buses' which many, if not, all of the R's routes were originally operated by. Oh right, so they were an operator. Nothing to do with having an actual roundabout section within their routes as such lol. Thanks.
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 17, 2014 10:19:07 GMT
A - Airport B - Bexleyheath C - Camden, Central, Chelsea D - Docklands E - Ealing EL - East London Transit G - George's Hospital H - Harrow, Hounslow, Heathrow, Hendon K - Kingston P - Peckham R - Richmond, Roundabout RV - Riverside S - Sutton T - Tramlink U - Uxbridge W - Waltham Forest X - Express Regarding the R routes in the Orpington area, does 'Roundabout' mean they have a loop section within the route?, because the only ones that do are R2 (tiny loop), R8 (small loop), and R5/R10 (massive loop). All 11 R Routes go in circles or around the houses somewhere along the route, the R5, R9, R10 are the only ones which are completely circular. The R2 serves some back streets before arriving at Carlton Parade then the journey to Biggin Hill Valley is very direct.
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Post by riverside on Oct 17, 2014 10:29:29 GMT
A - Airport B - Bexleyheath C - Camden, Central, Chelsea D - Docklands E - Ealing EL - East London Transit G - George's Hospital H - Harrow, Hounslow, Heathrow, Hendon K - Kingston P - Peckham R - Richmond, Roundabout RV - Riverside S - Sutton T - Tramlink U - Uxbridge W - Waltham Forest X - Express Err "W" has to be treated with care. Originally it was Wood Green given the original W routes from 1968 but we did have the W21 in Walthamstow. Even with the later minibus schemes you still have "W" routes in and around Haringey (W4, W5 and W6) while Walthamstow and Woodford got W11-W17. Goodness knows what the "W" for the W10 to Crews Hill refers to!! "S" was originally Stratford with the S1 and S2 which are only fairly recent casualties of renumberings / route changes. Roundabout was simply a local identity to raise the profile of local services in and around Orpington so as to try to encourage patronage on what was an area with a very mixed history of operators, services and frequencies. Other far more knowledgeable group members could give chapter and verse. While "D" is for Docklands the extent of the "D" network has changed vastly over the years and it reached to Ilford and Barking plus we had the private "D" Docklands Minibus routes. "C" applied to a network of Croydon area services to the Addington area. "H" originally referred to Hampstead for the H1/H2/H3 serving Hampstead Garden Suburb. "M" referred to the M1 route in the Morden area. It is really worth looking at the historical London Bus routes site run by Ian ArmstrongThe H prefix was originally for Harrow when RLHs on the 230 were replaced by MBSs on the H1 in June 1969.
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Post by danorak on Oct 17, 2014 12:12:46 GMT
'Roundabout' stands for 'Roundabout Buses' which many, if not, all of the R's routes were originally operated by. Oh right, so they were an operator. Nothing to do with having an actual roundabout section within their routes as such lol. Thanks. Tom Gurney's book Roundabout - Orpington's Little Buses gives the full history of this operator and is worth picking up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 13:18:15 GMT
PR - Park Royal
A - Airbus
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 13:21:50 GMT
L - Lewisham
L1 Brockley - Lewisham L2 New Cross Gate circular via Deptford L3 Catford Bridge - Bromley North ( now 336 )
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Post by moz on Oct 17, 2014 13:30:09 GMT
Agreed, the Appendix in the back showing one of the possible post-Reshaping plans is quite an eye opener! Moz
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Post by rmz19 on Oct 17, 2014 15:26:04 GMT
PR - Park Royal A - Airbus The unforgettable PR1 and PR2
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Post by Nathan on Oct 17, 2014 19:14:01 GMT
PR - Park Royal A - Airbus The unforgettable PR1 and PR2 I've never even heard of this routes until now!
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Post by rmz19 on Oct 17, 2014 23:07:19 GMT
The unforgettable PR1 and PR2 I've never even heard of this routes until now! The PR1 ran from Willesden Junction - Ealing Broadway, it was withdrawn in 2007 and replaced by an extension of the 226 to Ealing Broadway. The PR2 ran from Willesden Junction - Wembley Park (The Paddocks), it was withdrawn in 2011 and replaced by an extension of the 206 to Wembley Park (The Paddocks) and 224 to St. Raphael's I believe.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 18, 2014 2:41:26 GMT
I've never even heard of this routes until now! The PR1 ran from Willesden Junction - Ealing Broadway, it was withdrawn in 2007 and replaced by an extension of the 226 to Ealing Broadway. The PR2 ran from Willesden Junction - Wembley Park (The Paddocks), it was withdrawn in 2011 and replaced by an extension of the 206 to Wembley Park (The Paddocks) and 224 to St. Raphael's I believe. I managed to ride the PR1 on a Marshall once before it was withdrawn from Central Middlesex Hospital to Ealing Broadway.
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Post by M1199 on Oct 18, 2014 3:19:34 GMT
The PR1 ran from Willesden Junction - Ealing Broadway, it was withdrawn in 2007 and replaced by an extension of the 226 to Ealing Broadway. The PR2 ran from Willesden Junction - Wembley Park (The Paddocks), it was withdrawn in 2011 and replaced by an extension of the 206 to Wembley Park (The Paddocks) and 224 to St. Raphael's I believe. I managed to ride the PR1 on a Marshall once before it was withdrawn from Central Middlesex Hospital to Ealing Broadway. The last PR1 I rode had the driver get pulled over by the Police for running a red light on the Hanger Lane Gyatory! I think they were being jobsworths with nothing to do because it was actually Amber as we flew though it!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 22:32:03 GMT
I know it's completely unnecessary and would waste money and will never happen but I think all routes that serve the Isle of Dogs should be D-prefixed. So the 135 and 277 should be renumbered D1 and D2 perhaps.
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Post by COBO on Oct 18, 2014 22:38:53 GMT
I know it's completely unnecessary and would waste money and will never happen but I think all routes that serve the Isle of Dogs should be D-prefixed. So the 135 and 277 should be renumbered D1 and D2 perhaps. It would be unnecessary and would be a waste of money so what's the point of the renumbering?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 22:50:33 GMT
I know it's completely unnecessary and would waste money and will never happen but I think all routes that serve the Isle of Dogs should be D-prefixed. So the 135 and 277 should be renumbered D1 and D2 perhaps. It would be unnecessary and would be a waste of money so what's the point of the renumbering? I did say right at the beginning that it would be unnecessary and a waste of money...
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