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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 8:15:13 GMT
Through all this change I am happy that the 359 now runs a bit more frequently, and is going to Purley. Puts less strain on the 466 really.
Was the section on Purley Downs Road previously unserved?
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Post by snoggle on Oct 25, 2015 9:14:20 GMT
Through all this change I am happy that the 359 now runs a bit more frequently, and is going to Purley. Puts less strain on the 466 really. Was the section on Purley Downs Road previously unserved? Yes (in recent years). Don't know if it ever had a service in the dim and distant past. Somehow I doubt it given all the moans about two buses an hour venturing down the road. You'd think the world was going to end. |
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Post by YY13VKP on Oct 25, 2015 10:49:30 GMT
Through all this change I am happy that the 359 now runs a bit more frequently, and is going to Purley. Puts less strain on the 466 really. Was the section on Purley Downs Road previously unserved? Speaking of which, whats the new PVR for the 359? Because currently, there are only 2 buses on the route right now, thats less than the 434. I would expect it to have a PVR of at least 4 |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 25, 2015 11:15:23 GMT
Through all this change I am happy that the 359 now runs a bit more frequently, and is going to Purley. Puts less strain on the 466 really. Was the section on Purley Downs Road previously unserved? Speaking of which, whats the new PVR for the 359? Because currently, there are only 2 buses on the route right now, thats less than the 434. I would expect it to have a PVR of at least 4 It's only scheduled to take about 24-25 mins each way so a thirty minute headway can be achieved with 2 buses albeit with low stand time. The PVR is shown as 3 on londonbusroutes.net and the timetable shows buses having 30 mins stand time at Purley. There were 4 different buses in service over Saturday but only 3 at any one time. The third bus didn't come into service until later in the morning when run times are a bit longer than early in the day. I assume the 30 min stand time at Purley is "insurance" against there being bad traffic in and around Purley although the 359's route has been designed to try to avoid the perils of Purley Cross as much as possible. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 12:40:07 GMT
Through all this change I am happy that the 359 now runs a bit more frequently, and is going to Purley. Puts less strain on the 466 really. Was the section on Purley Downs Road previously unserved? Speaking of which, whats the new PVR for the 359? Because currently, there are only 2 buses on the route right now, thats less than the 434. I would expect it to have a PVR of at least 4 Very easy to estimate what the PVR "should" be by looking at the round trip time divided by the headway, and then factoring stand time |
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Post by Danny on Oct 25, 2015 12:56:45 GMT
Speaking of which, whats the new PVR for the 359? Because currently, there are only 2 buses on the route right now, thats less than the 434. I would expect it to have a PVR of at least 4 It's only scheduled to take about 24-25 mins each way so a thirty minute headway can be achieved with 2 buses albeit with low stand time. The PVR is shown as 3 on londonbusroutes.net and the timetable shows buses having 30 mins stand time at Purley. There were 4 different buses in service over Saturday but only 3 at any one time. The third bus didn't come into service until later in the morning when run times are a bit longer than early in the day. I assume the 30 min stand time at Purley is "insurance" against there being bad traffic in and around Purley although the 359's route has been designed to try to avoid the perils of Purley Cross as much as possible. I think the routing in Purley is rather unimpressive. Passengers travelling towards Purley are likely to want to go to Tesco, which is quite a way from the stand where the passengers are "dumped"', especially for elderly people. I think it would be better if the route used the 289/127 stand outside the station, but I guess there is not enough space for it there  |
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Post by sid on Oct 26, 2015 15:26:33 GMT
It's only scheduled to take about 24-25 mins each way so a thirty minute headway can be achieved with 2 buses albeit with low stand time. The PVR is shown as 3 on londonbusroutes.net and the timetable shows buses having 30 mins stand time at Purley. There were 4 different buses in service over Saturday but only 3 at any one time. The third bus didn't come into service until later in the morning when run times are a bit longer than early in the day. I assume the 30 min stand time at Purley is "insurance" against there being bad traffic in and around Purley although the 359's route has been designed to try to avoid the perils of Purley Cross as much as possible. I think the routing in Purley is rather unimpressive. Passengers travelling towards Purley are likely to want to go to Tesco, which is quite a way from the stand where the passengers are "dumped"', especially for elderly people. I think it would be better if the route used the 289/127 stand outside the station, but I guess there is not enough space for it there 30 min stand time at Purley is just ridiculous, on a 90 min cycle the bus is scheduled to be on stand for 41 minutes. I'm sure its very nice for drivers but a pretty poor use of resources, in normal traffic conditions it could be done on an hourly cycle with 11 minutes stand time and a x20 minute headway. |
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Post by sid on Oct 26, 2015 15:41:06 GMT
Through all this change I am happy that the 359 now runs a bit more frequently, and is going to Purley. Puts less strain on the 466 really. Was the section on Purley Downs Road previously unserved? I don't think the 466 needs any less strain at the Addington end  A useful direct link between Addington and Purley but I think it needs to be a bit more frequent with an evening and Sunday service as well. Monks Hill residents have been campaigning for decades to have the 64 routed through there, the 359 is better than nothing  Purley Downs Road has never had a regular bus service as far as I'm aware. |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 26, 2015 16:39:06 GMT
Through all this change I am happy that the 359 now runs a bit more frequently, and is going to Purley. Puts less strain on the 466 really. Was the section on Purley Downs Road previously unserved? I don't think the 466 needs any less strain at the Addington end A useful direct link between Addington and Purley but I think it needs to be a bit more frequent with an evening and Sunday service as well. Monks Hill residents have been campaigning for decades to have the 64 routed through there, the 359 is better than nothing Purley Downs Road has never had a regular bus service as far as I'm aware. The 359 is now a daily service with buses up to 1945. No late evening or extreme early morning journeys. www.londonbusroutes.net/times/359.pdf |
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Post by sid on Oct 26, 2015 16:48:39 GMT
I don't think the 466 needs any less strain at the Addington end A useful direct link between Addington and Purley but I think it needs to be a bit more frequent with an evening and Sunday service as well. Monks Hill residents have been campaigning for decades to have the 64 routed through there, the 359 is better than nothing Purley Downs Road has never had a regular bus service as far as I'm aware. The 359 is now a daily service with buses up to 1945. No late evening or extreme early morning journeys. www.londonbusroutes.net/times/359.pdfOh yes, my mistake about the Sunday service |
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Post by Danny on Oct 28, 2015 22:58:09 GMT
There was an elderly man sticking something to one of the bus stops along Purley Downs Road today, I didn't get a chance to have a look but it was presumably something along the lines of "We hate the bus"  Permanent stops have only been fitted towards Sanderstead so far, with dolly stops in the other direction. I also retract my previous comment about the routing  , it makes sense to have both of the routes that go to Selsdon serving the same stops. I'm surprised how quickly the route is getting popular, there were about 10 people on my bus from Purley to Selsdon! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2015 12:04:42 GMT
There was an elderly man sticking something to one of the bus stops along Purley Downs Road today, I didn't get a chance to have a look but it was presumably something along the lines of "We hate the bus" Permanent stops have only been fitted towards Sanderstead so far, with dolly stops in the other direction. I also retract my previous comment about the routing , it makes sense to have both of the routes that go to Selsdon serving the same stops. I'm surprised how quickly the route is getting popular, there were about 10 people on my bus from Purley to Selsdon! Interesting because I had a similar experience as well there was only around 5 people on the bus from start to finish and when at Addington Village, the bus driver shouted out to the bus drivers that this is the best route ever because of the stand time of 30 minutes. Went past Purley Downss Road and a person did give me a dirty look on the bus  still it's a nice little route with potential. The 64 seems to have good loading on it as well seen a lot of people on that and waiting at Addington Village I did see a lot of people get confused with the 353 as they both stop next to each other and a lot of people were running for the wrong bus and what not but overall it seems good and loadings of the 64 and 130,314 seems to be coping well. Timetabling between bus and tram seems to still be bad, saw a lot of people running for the tram towards to Croydon but the other way to New Addington seems good though. |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 29, 2015 13:36:31 GMT
I see the Purley Spider Map remains not updated so no sign of the 359 on it. I note also that the Selsdon Spider Map, although updated, is very confused as to when the 359 runs as it mentions "Monday to or Saturday off peak"  when the service runs Daily and also covers the peaks. Looks like someone wasn't paying attention when they updated the map. |
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Post by sid on Oct 29, 2015 14:39:51 GMT
There was an elderly man sticking something to one of the bus stops along Purley Downs Road today, I didn't get a chance to have a look but it was presumably something along the lines of "We hate the bus" Permanent stops have only been fitted towards Sanderstead so far, with dolly stops in the other direction. I also retract my previous comment about the routing , it makes sense to have both of the routes that go to Selsdon serving the same stops. I'm surprised how quickly the route is getting popular, there were about 10 people on my bus from Purley to Selsdon! Interesting because I had a similar experience as well there was only around 5 people on the bus from start to finish and when at Addington Village, the bus driver shouted out to the bus drivers that this is the best route ever because of the stand time of 30 minutes. Went past Purley Downss Road and a person did give me look on the bus still it's a nice little route with potential. The 64 seems to have good loading on it as well seen a lot of people on that and waiting at Addington Village I did see a lot of people get confused with the 353 as they both stop next to each other and a lot of people were running for the wrong bus and what not but overall it seems good and loadings of the 64 and 130,314 seems to be coping well. Timetabling between bus and tram seems to still be bad, saw a lot of people running for the tram towards to Croydon but the other way to New Addington seems good though. I had a ride this morning from Purley to Addington Village, just one other person on at the start although we were going against the flow, the bus I saw coming into Purley was busier. Picked up some people who all got off at Selsdon. Nobody else boarded until Monks Hill, picked up some old dears and they got off at the main road to get the 64 and nobody else to AV. I don't think I have ever known such a short route with 30 minutes stand time at one end, I'm sure drivers aren't complaining but obviously a poor use of resources. The 64's I saw towards Croydon were well loaded. I agree that the 359 has potential and could be a bit longer, I've scribbled a few ideas on a beer mat which I'll post on the new ideas section in due course. |
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 29, 2015 19:28:26 GMT
Interesting because I had a similar experience as well there was only around 5 people on the bus from start to finish and when at Addington Village, the bus driver shouted out to the bus drivers that this is the best route ever because of the stand time of 30 minutes. Went past Purley Downss Road and a person did give me look on the bus still it's a nice little route with potential. The 64 seems to have good loading on it as well seen a lot of people on that and waiting at Addington Village I did see a lot of people get confused with the 353 as they both stop next to each other and a lot of people were running for the wrong bus and what not but overall it seems good and loadings of the 64 and 130,314 seems to be coping well. Timetabling between bus and tram seems to still be bad, saw a lot of people running for the tram towards to Croydon but the other way to New Addington seems good though. I had a ride this morning from Purley to Addington Village, just one other person on at the start although we were going against the flow, the bus I saw coming into Purley was busier. Picked up some people who all got off at Selsdon. Nobody else boarded until Monks Hill, picked up some old dears and they got off at the main road to get the 64 and nobody else to AV. I don't think I have ever known such a short route with 30 minutes stand time at one end, I'm sure drivers aren't complaining but obviously a poor use of resources. The 64's I saw towards Croydon were well loaded. I agree that the 359 has potential and could be a bit longer, I've scribbled a few ideas on a beer mat which I'll post on the new ideas section in due course. I did the 359 today as I could not fit it in the other day. From Addington Village and back There are a number of things which need to be mentioned here. The route is quite a handy fast link to Purley from Addington Village and far quicker than the 466. In addition there were quite a number of people using the bus. Sooner or later the 359 may become very popular. Purley Downs Road residents who do not want the bus down there can bugger off and move house. The route has been timetabled such a way that only one bus will serve Monks Hill at a time, the roads are two tight to have two buses serving it at once, there is a few roads which are double served in the same journey. The route does not need to be extended further otherwise the Monks Hill section should be removed. The 30 Minute stand time is nessassary. Only 2 buses are in service at once while the 3rd Bus Stands at Purley. I did the route to Addington Village too, on apprach from Sanderstead to Selsdon traffic builds up and by the time the bus reaches Addington Village it does not even stand there it goes back to Purley. |
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Permanent stops have only been fitted towards Sanderstead so far, with dolly stops in the other direction. I also retract my previous comment about the routing 
, it makes sense to have both of the routes that go to Selsdon serving the same stops. I'm surprised how quickly the route is getting popular, there were about 10 people on my bus from Purley to Selsdon!
still it's a nice little route with potential. The 64 seems to have good loading on it as well seen a lot of people on that and waiting at Addington Village I did see a lot of people get confused with the 353 as they both stop next to each other and a lot of people were running for the wrong bus and what not but overall it seems good and loadings of the 64 and 130,314 seems to be coping well. Timetabling between bus and tram seems to still be bad, saw a lot of people running for the tram towards to Croydon but the other way to New Addington seems good though.
when the service runs Daily and also covers the peaks. Looks like someone wasn't paying attention when they updated the map. 