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Post by ServerKing on Nov 5, 2014 18:11:15 GMT
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Post by YY13VKP on Nov 5, 2014 19:06:13 GMT
The bang gave me a shock!! So now i know the tyre burst after the bus had stopped. The Tyre was the explosion. |
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Post by Steve80 on Nov 6, 2014 5:10:06 GMT
Considering that the epicenter of the damage appears to be around the wheel I wonder if the brakes were overheating. That what I heard in that the brakes had something to do with it causing the tyres to burn. Something to do with the drum? I never been good with the mechanical side of things regarding any motor vehicles  Anyway, the bus is badly burnt on both sides so I'm guessing that the bus will be scrapped |
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Post by M1104 on Nov 6, 2014 9:40:30 GMT
Considering that the epicenter of the damage appears to be around the wheel I wonder if the brakes were overheating. That what I heard in that the brakes had something to do with it causing the tyres to burn. Something to do with the drum? I never been good with the mechanical side of things regarding any motor vehicles Anyway, the bus is badly burnt on both sides so I'm guessing that the bus will be scrapped Not to mention the undercarriage where I imagine there may be some permanent damage to the chassis. |
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Post by Danny on Nov 6, 2014 21:39:39 GMT
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Post by DT 11 on Nov 6, 2014 21:51:29 GMT
I think eventually these may all get withdrawn from BC if this continues, didn't have these issues when the 157 was run with Tridents. Now means another trident stays on.
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Post by rmz19 on Nov 6, 2014 22:19:41 GMT
Wow  ....that's proper scary. So that's what caused the 154 I was on to be diverted, I caught a glimpse of that 157 from a distance before the 154 turned into Plough Lane, it was surrounded by blue sirens but never knew something of this scale happened. |
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Post by snoggle on Nov 6, 2014 23:39:40 GMT
I think eventually these may all get withdrawn from BC if this continues, didn't have these issues when the 157 was run with Tridents. Now means another trident stays on. I wonder what it is that Abellio do or don't do that makes these buses such heaps? Other operators manage to keep Volvo / Wright vehicles in reasonable shape and not bursting into flames. Given past comments on here about the quality of those buses it's perhaps no great wonder they're going "pop" at quite a rate. |
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Post by Nathan on Nov 7, 2014 0:06:43 GMT
I think eventually these may all get withdrawn from BC if this continues, didn't have these issues when the 157 was run with Tridents. Now means another trident stays on. I wonder what it is that Abellio do or don't do that makes these buses such heaps? Other operators manage to keep Volvo / Wright vehicles in reasonable shape and not bursting into flames. Given past comments on here about the quality of those buses it's perhaps no great wonder they're going "pop" at quite a rate. Its strange how WL are bad with Tridents but good with Volvos, and BC are good with Tridents and bad with Volvos. Its too bad they can't just switch allocations around. Its quite evident that there is something the engineers could be missing. Or maybe they're just unlucky and there are problems with those specific batch of buses that they can't fix. |
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Post by snoggle on Nov 7, 2014 0:25:50 GMT
Its strange how WL are bad with Tridents but good with Volvos, and BC are good with Tridents and bad with Volvos. Its too bad they can't just switch allocations around. Its quite evident that there is something the engineers could be missing. Or maybe they're just unlucky and there are problems with those specific batch of buses that they can't fix. I'm no mechanic or vehicle engineer but I find almost unbelieveable that relatively modern, albeit well used, buses can't be fixed. There is a wealth of knowledge and operational / engineering experience of these vehicle types so there is no logical reason as to why spare parts can't be found, diagnostic tools used and fine tuned nor engineers be properly trained / kept aware of issues with chassis, engines, bodywork and auxiliary systems. After all operators are required to comply with the law and to keep things safe. Failure to do so risks contract loss. As an aside, and I don't believe it's Abellio specific, there have been some very interesting Mayoral questions about bus vehicle safety, manufacturer / VOSA alerts and how TfL keep control of what goes on. I'm not sure what it is that has prompted the questions but it's not standard fare for Mayor's Questions. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 7, 2014 0:33:05 GMT
I wonder what it is that Abellio do or don't do that makes these buses such heaps? Other operators manage to keep Volvo / Wright vehicles in reasonable shape and not bursting into flames. Given past comments on here about the quality of those buses it's perhaps no great wonder they're going "pop" at quite a rate. Its strange how WL are bad with Tridents but good with Volvos, and BC are good with Tridents and bad with Volvos. Its too bad they can't just switch allocations around. Its quite evident that there is something the engineers could be missing. Or maybe they're just unlucky and there are problems with those specific batch of buses that they can't fix. A lot of the Volvos from WL are horrid as well - many of the ones that pop onto the 35 sound as clapped out as the 35's own Enviro 400's. |
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Post by Nathan on Nov 7, 2014 0:56:44 GMT
Its strange how WL are bad with Tridents but good with Volvos, and BC are good with Tridents and bad with Volvos. Its too bad they can't just switch allocations around. Its quite evident that there is something the engineers could be missing. Or maybe they're just unlucky and there are problems with those specific batch of buses that they can't fix. I'm no mechanic or vehicle engineer but I find almost unbelieveable that relatively modern, albeit well used, buses can't be fixed. There is a wealth of knowledge and operational / engineering experience of these vehicle types so there is no logical reason as to why spare parts can't be found, diagnostic tools used and fine tuned nor engineers be properly trained / kept aware of issues with chassis, engines, bodywork and auxiliary systems. After all operators are required to comply with the law and to keep things safe. Failure to do so risks contract loss. As an aside, and I don't believe it's Abellio specific, there have been some very interesting Mayoral questions about bus vehicle safety, manufacturer / VOSA alerts and how TfL keep control of what goes on. I'm not sure what it is that has prompted the questions but it's not standard fare for Mayor's Questions. Didn't someone on here a few months ago say that Abellio staff were receiving some sort of training to help maintain the buses better? I think it might have been Steve80. Any idea what has happened with that? Its strange how WL are bad with Tridents but good with Volvos, and BC are good with Tridents and bad with Volvos. Its too bad they can't just switch allocations around. Its quite evident that there is something the engineers could be missing. Or maybe they're just unlucky and there are problems with those specific batch of buses that they can't fix. A lot of the Volvos from WL are horrid as well - many of the ones that pop onto the 35 sound as clapped out as the 35's own Enviro 400's. I know that people on here complain about how slow 9001-20 are. Personally they're actually one of my favourite batch of B7TLs around, mainly because of the loud cooling fans. Makes a nice change from the generic normal sounding bus. Maybe it's my own bias, but I think that all the other Volvos at WL (55/06 reg) are actually pretty decent. There's a few anomalies, but other than that they all generally sound healthy and well maintained. |
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Post by 6HP502C on Nov 7, 2014 1:07:33 GMT
Its strange how WL are bad with Tridents but good with Volvos, and BC are good with Tridents and bad with Volvos. Its too bad they can't just switch allocations around. Its quite evident that there is something the engineers could be missing. Or maybe they're just unlucky and there are problems with those specific batch of buses that they can't fix. Erm...! I've failed more WL Volvos on safety grounds than those I've kept! WL are quite good with the ex Connex Tridents, but then they were at QB until quite recently, where they were under a superb maintenance regime. Some of the DTs however....! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 1:14:05 GMT
Abellio are risking having the traffic examiners in at this rate. One fire you can excuse , but three just says there is a maintainance problem to me.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 7, 2014 2:17:59 GMT
I'm no mechanic or vehicle engineer but I find almost unbelieveable that relatively modern, albeit well used, buses can't be fixed. There is a wealth of knowledge and operational / engineering experience of these vehicle types so there is no logical reason as to why spare parts can't be found, diagnostic tools used and fine tuned nor engineers be properly trained / kept aware of issues with chassis, engines, bodywork and auxiliary systems. After all operators are required to comply with the law and to keep things safe. Failure to do so risks contract loss. As an aside, and I don't believe it's Abellio specific, there have been some very interesting Mayoral questions about bus vehicle safety, manufacturer / VOSA alerts and how TfL keep control of what goes on. I'm not sure what it is that has prompted the questions but it's not standard fare for Mayor's Questions. Didn't someone on here a few months ago say that Abellio staff were receiving some sort of training to help maintain the buses better? I think it might have been Steve80. Any idea what has happened with that? A lot of the Volvos from WL are horrid as well - many of the ones that pop onto the 35 sound as clapped out as the 35's own Enviro 400's. I know that people on here complain about how slow 9001-20 are. Personally they're actually one of my favourite batch of B7TLs around, mainly because of the loud cooling fans. Makes a nice change from the generic normal sounding bus. Maybe it's my own bias, but I think that all the other Volvos at WL (55/06 reg) are actually pretty decent. There's a few anomalies, but other than that they all generally sound healthy and well maintained. When new, 9001-20 (or V1-20 as they were then) were my favourites and were maintained really well under Travel London but under Abellio, they've got really awful. I've never liked the rest of their Volvo's TBH despite being on Voith - the ones BC got were either quiet or slow or both. However, I had 9071 recently and it was very quick so that one must be an anomaly lol. |
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Anyway, the bus is badly burnt on both sides so I'm guessing that the bus will be scrapped
