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Post by moz on Nov 24, 2014 22:03:05 GMT
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Post by John tuthill on Nov 25, 2014 10:54:52 GMT
I couldn't agree more! That pinch point of a single lane heading north on the A3, that will tail back to Union Road, and start a rat run with more traffic on the Wandsworth Road.  (I'm an ex Stockwell boy) |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 25, 2014 11:11:19 GMT
I couldn't agree more! That pinch point of a single lane heading north on the A3, that will tail back to Union Road, and start a rat run with more traffic on the Wandsworth Road. (I'm an ex Stockwell boy) Like the other gyratory plans, no common sense has been implemented here and I really dread what they will do to the Tulse Hill gyratory as traffic could really be tailing back right up Tulse Hill Back to Stockwell, the same amount of traffic will continue to use the Clapham Road section of the gyratory but with 2 lanes in both directions rather than the present 3 lanes southbound and one bus lane which could spell disaster without even mentioning the short phasing of the current Stockwell Road traffic lights. |
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Post by sid on Nov 25, 2014 14:16:43 GMT
Well I for one am very much in favour of this and similar schemes, one way systems are a relic from the 1960's and they create an awful environment for pedestrians. If they delay the traffic then drivers will have to find another route or better still leave their car at home and use public transport.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 25, 2014 18:23:01 GMT
Well I for one am very much in favour of this and similar schemes, one way systems are a relic from the 1960's and they create an awful environment for pedestrians. If they delay the traffic then drivers will have to find another route or better still leave their car at home and use public transport. One way systems aren't relics from the 1960's - they help traffic flow well. They don't create awful environments for pedestrians either - in fact they are much easier to cross at than two way junctions like the dreaded St. Leonard's Church junction - these are the junctions that need improving. The Stockwell Gyratory is fine as it is. TfL are wasting the money on this nonsense and these plans will only cause further gridlock which will have knock on effects to other nearby areas. |
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Post by sid on Nov 25, 2014 19:16:51 GMT
Well I for one am very much in favour of this and similar schemes, one way systems are a relic from the 1960's and they create an awful environment for pedestrians. If they delay the traffic then drivers will have to find another route or better still leave their car at home and use public transport. One way systems aren't relics from the 1960's - they help traffic flow well. They don't create awful environments for pedestrians either - in fact they are much easier to cross at than two way junctions like the dreaded St. Leonard's Church junction - these are the junctions that need improving. The Stockwell Gyratory is fine as it is. TfL are wasting the money on this nonsense and these plans will only cause further gridlock which will have knock on effects to other nearby areas. That's your opinion but I totally disagree, one way streets often encourage speeding and dangerous driving. The Stockwell gyratory isn't fine as it is and the changes will result in a far more pleasant environment, that is the priority nowadays not helping traffic flows. |
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Post by snoggle on Nov 25, 2014 20:09:50 GMT
Well I for one am very much in favour of this and similar schemes, one way systems are a relic from the 1960's and they create an awful environment for pedestrians. If they delay the traffic then drivers will have to find another route or better still leave their car at home and use public transport. The problem, though, is that these schemes do affect public transport and its effectiveness. TfL cannot be bothered to publish the *full* impact of these schemes (positive or negative) on public transport users. We have several massive schemes proposed which have the potential, if constructed at the same time, to cause massive disruption to traffic and buses over a wide area. There are proposals for the E-W and N-S Superhighways plus reworks at Vauxhall, Oval, Elephant and Castle, Stockwell plus Vauxhall Bridge up to Victoria (which is already disrupted and will remain so until 2018). Even if you accept that there is a plus side to improving pedestrian and cycling facilities you simply CANNOT ignore the impact of the works and the cumulative effect of all of the schemes post completion. Now I've no doubt at all that TfL have modelled all of these schemes both individually and in combination. Instead of just being given a few titbits of info on one of two bus routes the public - you know the daft people who are ultimately paying for all this - MUST be told what the end state is. TfL would be failing in its duty as a publicly accountable body in not telling people the full impact. You never know it might all be wonderful and if that's true then we should be told. |
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Post by John tuthill on Nov 25, 2014 23:32:19 GMT
One way systems aren't relics from the 1960's - they help traffic flow well. They don't create awful environments for pedestrians either - in fact they are much easier to cross at than two way junctions like the dreaded St. Leonard's Church junction - these are the junctions that need improving. The Stockwell Gyratory is fine as it is. TfL are wasting the money on this nonsense and these plans will only cause further gridlock which will have knock on effects to other nearby areas. That's your opinion but I totally disagree, one way streets often encourage speeding and dangerous driving. The Stockwell gyratory isn't fine as it is and the changes will result in a far more pleasant environment, that is the priority nowadays not helping traffic flows. So once again TFL are wasting OUR money! The memorial clock tower was on an island since being built in the 1920's, and then the gyratory system arrives in the 60's. Now some ********** has decided it needs 'updating' Oh yes let's re-instate a right turn for the 45 that's been there since the days of the 34 tram, and install an unnecessary left turn to access Sth Lambeth Rd from the A3. A 'pleasant environment?'  |
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Post by Steve80 on Nov 26, 2014 3:25:01 GMT
Well I for one am very much in favour of this and similar schemes, one way systems are a relic from the 1960's and they create an awful environment for pedestrians. If they delay the traffic then drivers will have to find another route or better still leave their car at home and use public transport. Well, I'm in agreement with you and to be fair I didn't see the point of the one way system in Stockwell. I personally think its for the best if the cyclists and other road users are separated from each other. Anything that creates more space for pedestrians is a good thing. Obviously, the traffic will be worse especially as the northbound carriageway will only be one lane which is a shame. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 26, 2014 3:39:20 GMT
One way systems aren't relics from the 1960's - they help traffic flow well. They don't create awful environments for pedestrians either - in fact they are much easier to cross at than two way junctions like the dreaded St. Leonard's Church junction - these are the junctions that need improving. The Stockwell Gyratory is fine as it is. TfL are wasting the money on this nonsense and these plans will only cause further gridlock which will have knock on effects to other nearby areas. That's your opinion but I totally disagree, one way streets often encourage speeding and dangerous driving. The Stockwell gyratory isn't fine as it is and the changes will result in a far more pleasant environment, that is the priority nowadays not helping traffic flows. It's a myth that one way streets encourage dangerous driving given that there are plenty of dangerous driving incidents on two way roads as well. There is nothing wrong with the surroundings around the gyratory system and priority should be traffic flow otherwise our lovely public transport system will grind to a halt. |
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Post by sid on Nov 26, 2014 7:16:21 GMT
Well I for one am very much in favour of this and similar schemes, one way systems are a relic from the 1960's and they create an awful environment for pedestrians. If they delay the traffic then drivers will have to find another route or better still leave their car at home and use public transport. Well, I'm in agreement with you and to be fair I didn't see the point of the one way system in Stockwell. I personally think its for the best if the cyclists and other road users are separated from each other. Anything that creates more space for pedestrians is a good thing. Obviously, the traffic will be worse especially as the northbound carriageway will only be one lane which is a shame. The traffic will probably sort itself out, there might well be more congestion initially but once some drivers start finding alternative routes things will probably return to the current levels. I don't see the point of most one way systems, they were introduced decades ago when traffic was much lighter, I'm sure they were a good idea at the time but they don't suit todays requirements and it is only right that far more consideration is now given to cyclists and pedestrians. |
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Post by sid on Nov 26, 2014 7:26:38 GMT
That's your opinion but I totally disagree, one way streets often encourage speeding and dangerous driving. The Stockwell gyratory isn't fine as it is and the changes will result in a far more pleasant environment, that is the priority nowadays not helping traffic flows. It's a myth that one way streets encourage dangerous driving given that there are plenty of dangerous driving incidents on two way roads as well. There is nothing wrong with the surroundings around the gyratory system and priority should be traffic flow otherwise our lovely public transport system will grind to a halt. It's a myth that they dont! I'd say that Tottenham and Shoreditch are far more pleasant now, the traffic lights often resembled the starting grid at a grand prix with 2 or 3 lanes of traffic waiting for the green light. Buses are often sent away from their objectives, Park Lane and Tottenham Court Road for example. |
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Post by John tuthill on Nov 26, 2014 9:28:57 GMT
Well, I'm in agreement with you and to be fair I didn't see the point of the one way system in Stockwell. I personally think its for the best if the cyclists and other road users are separated from each other. Anything that creates more space for pedestrians is a good thing. Obviously, the traffic will be worse especially as the northbound carriageway will only be one lane which is a shame. The traffic will probably sort itself out, there might well be more congestion initially but once some drivers start finding alternative routes things will probably return to the current levels.
I don't see the point of most one way systems, they were introduced decades ago when traffic was much lighter, I'm sure they were a good idea at the time but they don't suit todays requirements and it is only right that far more consideration is now given to cyclists and pedestrians. In other words turn Larkhall Lane, Union Road and other side streets into rat runs? >:(Is there a TFL lacky who lives overlooking the clock tower? It will be interesting to see the outcome of the "consultation" unless it's covered by the Data Protection Act |
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Post by sid on Nov 26, 2014 9:36:12 GMT
The traffic will probably sort itself out, there might well be more congestion initially but once some drivers start finding alternative routes things will probably return to the current levels.
I don't see the point of most one way systems, they were introduced decades ago when traffic was much lighter, I'm sure they were a good idea at the time but they don't suit todays requirements and it is only right that far more consideration is now given to cyclists and pedestrians. In other words turn Larkhall Lane, Union Road and other side streets into rat runs? >:(Is there a TFL lacky who lives overlooking the clock tower? It will be interesting to see the outcome of the "consultation" unless it's covered by the Data Protection Act It's also worth bearing in mind that many one way systems outside of London have been removed or are going to be, Redhill, Chatham and Ashford in Kent to name a few so clearly it isn't only TfL who thinks they are no longer fit for purpose. Likewise pedestrian subways are being removed all over the country, another relic from the 1960's. |
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Post by snoggle on Nov 26, 2014 10:36:26 GMT
It's a myth that one way streets encourage dangerous driving given that there are plenty of dangerous driving incidents on two way roads as well. There is nothing wrong with the surroundings around the gyratory system and priority should be traffic flow otherwise our lovely public transport system will grind to a halt. I'd say that Tottenham and Shoreditch are far more pleasant now, the traffic lights often resembled the starting grid at a grand prix with 2 or 3 lanes of traffic waiting for the green light. Buses are often sent away from their objectives, Park Lane and Tottenham Court Road for example. I'm not sure I agree about Tottenham. The promised cycle lanes have yet to appear meaning cyclists are left to fend for themselves on a 4 lane High Road. Broad Lane jams in both directions on a regular basis as traffic still goes via that route instead of the revised route via Monument Way. The junction near the Bus Garage is now horrendous with regular jams back down past the Police Station. If you're unfortunate enough to need to cross from the High Road to Monument Way then you face having to use five separate crossings or, as most people do, use the old crossing route and take you life in your hands battling the traffic as TfL opted not to put a pedestrian phase on the busiest and most obvious crossing route. TfL have also removed road capacity near Tottenham Hale station causing massive jams back up Watermead Way all day long and have created a bus station that is too small from day one. You have to wonder quite what the point was. As for Shoreditch well I'm not sure it's much better. Great Eastern Street jams solid heading east and Shoreditch High St is still full of traffic - it just runs two way now. Ditto for Old Street. All that's happened is that one or two roads have lost traffic having been on the old gyratory but others have gained traffic to allow certain manoeuvres such as the right turn from Great Eastern St to Bishopsgate which is done by traffic going down Holywell Lane. The simple point here is that there's no real reduction in traffic volume - the traffic is just routed over different roads after tens of millions of pounds have been spent. |
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(I'm an ex Stockwell boy)
