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Post by overgroundcommuter on Jan 28, 2015 16:29:55 GMT
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Post by Madstuntman on Jan 28, 2015 18:07:41 GMT
I'm loving how that since this all started I've got more information from ITV news than I have from unite!!!!!
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Post by John tuthill on Jan 28, 2015 18:10:55 GMT
I'm loving how that since this all started I've got more information from ITV news than I have from unite!!!!! Info from a union? Your dues and your vote is all they want
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Post by londonbuses67 on Jan 28, 2015 18:18:32 GMT
Hopefully at least two of these strikes gets called off as I'm tired of these strikes despite that fact I do have sympathy towards the bus drivers striking over poor pay. Hope these strikes aren't as disruptive as the most recent one.
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 28, 2015 21:13:09 GMT
Oh dear, it's gone the way I thought it would : it's getting more and more bitter.
If I were to guess, I think all three of these strikes will go ahead, because I really cannot see either side backing down. For what it's worth, I'm firmly on the side of the bus companies : paying everyone the same will mean higher fares and possibly reduced services to pay for all these higher wages.
It is an utterly crazy and selfish dispute that, sadly, I think will deepen and drag on for ages, and all that will do is drive people away from the buses (into cars, don't think they will go to trains - they really won't), which will choke the roads further, and those left on the buses will have a poorer service, and will resent all the bus staff.
Oh, and also bear in mind that there is the possible spectre of Tube strikes in the not too distant future. And you can bet they will be co-ordinated with bus strikes if at all possible.
Marvellous. Not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 21:16:27 GMT
Oh dear, it's gone the way I thought it would : it's getting more and more bitter. If I were to guess, I think all three of these strikes will go ahead, because I really cannot see either side backing down. For what it's worth, I'm firmly on the side of the bus companies : paying everyone the same will mean higher fares and possibly reduced services to pay for all these higher wages. It is an utterly crazy and selfish dispute that, sadly, I think will deepen and drag on for ages, and all that will do is drive people away from the buses (into cars, don't think they will go to trains - they really won't), which will choke the roads further, and those left on the buses will have a poorer service, and will resent all the bus staff. Oh, and also bear in mind that there is the possible spectre of Tube strikes in the not too distant future. And you can bet they will be co-ordinated with bus strikes if at all possible. Marvellous. Not. Sod that so if you strike on all 3 days + the other you have lost out on at least £400.00 if it carries on the amount drivers are asking for will be wiped out in loss of earnings.
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 28, 2015 21:19:45 GMT
Oh dear, it's gone the way I thought it would : it's getting more and more bitter. If I were to guess, I think all three of these strikes will go ahead, because I really cannot see either side backing down. For what it's worth, I'm firmly on the side of the bus companies : paying everyone the same will mean higher fares and possibly reduced services to pay for all these higher wages. It is an utterly crazy and selfish dispute that, sadly, I think will deepen and drag on for ages, and all that will do is drive people away from the buses (into cars, don't think they will go to trains - they really won't), which will choke the roads further, and those left on the buses will have a poorer service, and will resent all the bus staff. Oh, and also bear in mind that there is the possible spectre of Tube strikes in the not too distant future. And you can bet they will be co-ordinated with bus strikes if at all possible. Marvellous. Not. Sod that so if you strike on all 3 days + the other you have lost out on at least £400.00 if it carries on the amount drivers are asking for will be wiped out in loss of earnings. Ah, you're asking for reason now in this dispute, and there isn't a whole lot of reason there.
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Post by Steve80 on Jan 29, 2015 2:39:05 GMT
Seems that Unite are cranking up the pressure. I would be surprised if we did all three strikes. There is some notice at our garage updating us drivers on what's going on but I didn't get the time to read it properly. It said something like bus operators have had exploratory talks since the last strike.
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Post by driveumad on Jan 29, 2015 6:40:59 GMT
Are the higher paid bus drivers that are in the unite union being forced to strike for lower wages?
Unite have not been very forthcoming with exactly what they want apart from equal pay.
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Post by Madstuntman on Jan 29, 2015 7:05:24 GMT
Sorry but I can't afford 3 weeks with only 4 days money.
I'll be working. Paying my mortgage is more important.
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Post by snowman on Jan 29, 2015 7:08:03 GMT
Oh dear, it's gone the way I thought it would : it's getting more and more bitter. If I were to guess, I think all three of these strikes will go ahead, because I really cannot see either side backing down. For what it's worth, I'm firmly on the side of the bus companies : paying everyone the same will mean higher fares and possibly reduced services to pay for all these higher wages. It is an utterly crazy and selfish dispute that, sadly, I think will deepen and drag on for ages, and all that will do is drive people away from the buses (into cars, don't think they will go to trains - they really won't), which will choke the roads further, and those left on the buses will have a poorer service, and will resent all the bus staff. Oh, and also bear in mind that there is the possible spectre of Tube strikes in the not too distant future. And you can bet they will be co-ordinated with bus strikes if at all possible. Marvellous. Not. Sod that so if you strike on all 3 days + the other you have lost out on at least £400.00 if it carries on the amount drivers are asking for will be wiped out in loss of earnings. For a strike to be successful, the workers need to be convinced that the gains will exceed the short term loss of pay. Probably going to need 15+ days of action before bus companies even consider talking. So needs to be a hefty percentage increase at end to make it worthwhile. For the bus companies whilst a percentage turn up to work anyway, why bother talking. If they get a third of staff they can concentrate them on the profitable routes. (Remember most garages have couple of moneyspinners, some routes which are high profile but only slightly profitable and other routes that barely break even or even lose a bit), bet you however many strike days there are, the management know where to put the drivers that do come in, so each strike will see the same routes operated, the ones TfL pay them most for.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 29, 2015 9:05:04 GMT
Sod that so if you strike on all 3 days + the other you have lost out on at least £400.00 if it carries on the amount drivers are asking for will be wiped out in loss of earnings. For a strike to be successful, the workers need to be convinced that the gains will exceed the short term loss of pay. Probably going to need 15+ days of action before bus companies even consider talking. So needs to be a hefty percentage increase at end to make it worthwhile. For the bus companies whilst a percentage turn up to work anyway, why bother talking. If they get a third of staff they can concentrate them on the profitable routes. (Remember most garages have couple of moneyspinners, some routes which are high profile but only slightly profitable and other routes that barely break even or even lose a bit), bet you however many strike days there are, the management know where to put the drivers that do come in, so each strike will see the same routes operated, the ones TfL pay them most for. And that's the other important side of the equation. Drivers will not want to lose a lot of wages and that's something the employers will be aware of and will hope that the drivers' resolve weakens in time. However the other key factor is the operators losing contract payments from TfL. If services are severely reduced then the operators will be losing tens and possibly hundreds of thousands of pounds. The non payment of wages to striking drivers is very unlikely to be higher than the contract fees lost so the operators are losing out too. That's where the union's leverage is.
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Post by YY13VKP on Jan 29, 2015 9:11:56 GMT
Oh dear, not another strike..... That means no 466 on those days Good thing there's one on Friday 13th because i dont use the 466 on Fridays anyway, i use the 409, which will not be affected, however, it'll cause trains to be packed
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 29, 2015 9:51:37 GMT
Sorry but I can't afford 3 weeks with only 4 days money. I'll be working. Paying my mortgage is more important. Good for you Hope more people think like that.
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Post by driveumad on Jan 29, 2015 10:51:27 GMT
Sorry but I can't afford 3 weeks with only 4 days money. I'll be working. Paying my mortgage is more important. Chances are you'll be resting on one of those days anyway, out of interest are you in unite union? If your not then I fully understand but if you are then you should either strike or better still change unions. No point being in a union if your not willing to stand up and strike when needed.
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