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Post by Nathan on Feb 4, 2015 19:20:10 GMT
Hiya guys, does anyone know if these routes will be running tomorrow: 53, 136, 171, 172, 453?
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Feb 4, 2015 20:13:57 GMT
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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 4, 2015 20:49:32 GMT
Hiya guys, does anyone know if these routes will be running tomorrow: 53, 136, 171, 172, 453? Going by the last strike, and of course things may differ this time, with the 53, PD only put a service on this route last strike, but it was minimal, and as PD is a solidly Unite shed, don't rely on it. The 453 didn't run at all last time, and I suspect it'll be the same this time. snoggle : if your hunch is true, that's most worrying for Tower Transit. Sad times
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 4, 2015 21:02:17 GMT
I wonder what services will be operating this time round. Maybe NS will actually bother to run the 86 instead of making me and all its users take the Abellio Worser Anglia. I don't see either side giving up in this fight, as it's not an easy fix by just handing the operators a load of money like it was during 2012. It will be interesting to see the outcome I suspect that the action will just fizzle out, clearly TfL aren't going to specify a standard rate of pay in fact I'm not sure that legally they can. It just seems to me like Unite wanting to pick a fight. I think they can. Knowing the operators and TfL itself. If it were illegal, they would be very quick to have said that long ago, so to out the fire.
There is a political agenda by the unions in this country to try and help labour's cause to win the election in the next few months.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 4, 2015 21:15:03 GMT
Does the lower pay rate apply to all new recruits? I was under the impression (maybe wrongly?) that the lower rate only applied to non PCV licence holders who had to be trained from scratch? The cost of the training and the fact many leave again within a short period of time was given as one of the reasons although it's a bit of a vicious circle, if the pay rate was higher then not so many would leave again within a short period of time Recruitin cheap labour from Eastern Europe is a common tactic nowadays, it's been going on in many other industries for a few years now Yes, with Abellio the starter rate applies to both PCV and no PCV holders. I believe that Metrobus has different pay for PCV and non PCV license holders. I've no idea about the other companies.
Somewhere in the internet, someone has put this up. Didn't know you have to wait upto 8 years to get the top rate if your an driver for Arriva...
That is the problem. Hence why many new drivers do not stay anymore unless they have no choice. For the hours it is just not worth it for them sadly. Years ago it was the traditional 4 year till top rate with most London companies with an increase on each year. At a time in early 2000's they even changed it to 3 years as they could not find enough drivers nor cover duties.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 4, 2015 23:09:50 GMT
I suspect that the action will just fizzle out, clearly TfL aren't going to specify a standard rate of pay in fact I'm not sure that legally they can. It just seems to me like Unite wanting to pick a fight. I think they can. Knowing the operators and TfL itself. If it were illegal, they would be very quick to have said that long ago, so to out the fire.
There is a political agenda by the unions in this country to try and help labour's cause to win the election in the next few months. The operators and TfL have been dropping various hints about the legality or otherwise of an uniform pay rate. I expect TfL will have sought legal advice but won't say too much in case it looks like they are interfering in something they say is not their responsibility. They can't be seen to be taking on some sort of negotiating role. The operators simply don't want an uniform rate because it removes the biggest element of cost differentiation between bids. The unions want the uniform rate because they know that ultimately it would destroy the tendering system. If you make the biggest part of the cost base identical between operators they have no real ability to compete. It also means TfL would find it very hard to demonstrate value for money because there'd be no obvious difference between operators. Unite want to see private operation in London's buses abandoned. The operators want the status quo preserved because that's how they earn a decent slice of profits. These are the long term objectives that sit behind this dispute but, of course, no one will bring them into any great focus. I don't see bus strikes in London being any sort of help to the Labour Party. They simply give the Tories another stick to beat Labour around the head with while joyfully mentioning Len McCluskey at every opportunity. We've seen this before and we'll see it again once dear old Lynton Crosby realises people in London do actually travel by bus and are inconvenienced by strikes.
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Post by 6HP502C on Feb 4, 2015 23:41:24 GMT
One bus operator in London would be bad news for a lot of drivers and Unite. The present system commonly sees drivers dismissed from one operator then driving for another within weeks. Presumably with one operator, once you get your marching orders, that's it.
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Post by paulsw2 on Feb 5, 2015 1:14:44 GMT
One bus operator in London would be bad news for a lot of drivers and Unite. The present system commonly sees drivers dismissed from one operator then driving for another within weeks. Presumably with one operator, once you get your marching orders, that's it. But it would eventually mean a better quality of driver as if said bad driver was dismissed they would be unable to gain employment and unable to further bring bus driving into disrepute
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Post by YY13VKP on Feb 5, 2015 6:58:04 GMT
The only TC routes running today are the 403 and 264, with no first gen DW's. I will pass by TC later on this morning. I might see buses parked on the street if TC is full up. No 466's today!!
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Post by routew15 on Feb 5, 2015 8:37:31 GMT
TfL has released a Full list of bus routes that are: Full Service, Not in Service, Not expected to run and reduced service. Strike Update Thurs 5 Feb 2015 (0730)
So far limited service on the 61 between Locksbottom and Bromley North 21 between Lewisham and New Cross Gate 85 between Putney Station and Putney Bridge 93 between Puteny Station and Putney Bridge 38 between Mildmay Park and Clapton No service between: Hyde Park Corner and Victoria on the 38 Downham and Catford on the 320
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Post by sid on Feb 5, 2015 8:45:14 GMT
The only TC routes running today are the 403 and 264, with no first gen DW's. I will pass by TC later on this morning. I might see buses parked on the street if TC is full up. No 466's today!! There are buses running on the 407 which goes past TC, apparently a police presence was needed on the last strike day. Seems to be quite a few buses running from TH.
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Post by T.R. on Feb 5, 2015 9:02:40 GMT
5 buses on the 38, doing a 30min service between Hyde Park Corner and Mildmay Park. 3-person crew.
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Post by T.R. on Feb 5, 2015 9:02:42 GMT
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Post by sid on Feb 5, 2015 9:07:49 GMT
TfL has released a Full list of bus routes that are: Full Service, Not in Service, Not expected to run and reduced service. Strike Update Thurs 5 Feb 2015 (0730)
So far limited service on the 61 between Locksbottom and Bromley North 21 between Lewisham and New Cross Gate 85 between Putney Station and Putney Bridge 93 between Puteny Station and Putney Bridge 38 between Mildmay Park and Clapton No service between: Hyde Park Corner and Victoria on the 38 Downham and Catford on the 320 According to LVF the 85 and 93 are running Putney Stn to Kingston and North Cheam respectively
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Post by YY13VKP on Feb 5, 2015 9:29:56 GMT
The only TC routes running today are the 403 and 264, with no first gen DW's. I will pass by TC later on this morning. I might see buses parked on the street if TC is full up. No 466's today!! There are buses running on the 407 which goes past TC, apparently a police presence was needed on the last strike day. Seems to be quite a few buses running from TH. There was a police car outside TC today, and lots of drivers were standing outside the garage protesting. no buses were parked on the street so TC wasnt full
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