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Post by YY13VKP on Sept 7, 2019 11:09:40 GMT
So it looks like re-tendering of Southeastern has been postponed indefinitely then? I heard from a friend that it was largely to do with the timetable proposed to start in 2022 was impractical, and that there were few benefits to passengers, which is true, because it proposed a service from Maidstone West to Cannon Street via Woolwich and either Lewisham or Greenwich but would all stops in the London end, I don’t understand this obsession with making outer London regional services all stops at the moment but it’s unreasonable. Also let’s hope GoVia finally refurbished the networkers then! And put barriers up in stations, you can literally travel from Shortlands to Brixton for free since all the stations on that stretch have not barriers, just oyster pads. Both my local stations; Blackheath and Greenwich are major stations and destinations yet they have no barriers, Greenwich is also a TfL interchange, it’s an absolute joke! Also something must be done about Brixton, even if it means permanent closure, because the station quite frankly is a joke. Rant over! Sorry but it’s frustrating how poor SE has been ran over the years! Especially since there is no hope of TfL ever gaining control of it. The Networkers were refurbished a few years ago, although not extensively |
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Post by route53 on Sept 7, 2019 16:19:06 GMT
So it looks like re-tendering of Southeastern has been postponed indefinitely then? I heard from a friend that it was largely to do with the timetable proposed to start in 2022 was impractical, and that there were few benefits to passengers, which is true, because it proposed a service from Maidstone West to Cannon Street via Woolwich and either Lewisham or Greenwich but would all stops in the London end, I don’t understand this obsession with making outer London regional services all stops at the moment but it’s unreasonable. Also let’s hope GoVia finally refurbished the networkers then! And put barriers up in stations, you can literally travel from Shortlands to Brixton for free since all the stations on that stretch have not barriers, just oyster pads. Both my local stations; Blackheath and Greenwich are major stations and destinations yet they have no barriers, Greenwich is also a TfL interchange, it’s an absolute joke! Also something must be done about Brixton, even if it means permanent closure, because the station quite frankly is a joke. Rant over! Sorry but it’s frustrating how poor SE has been ran over the years! Especially since there is no hope of TfL ever gaining control of it. The Networkers were refurbished a few years ago, although not extensively Compared to the refurbished Networkers on Great Northern & Chiltern, South Eastern’s refurb of them was a joke. They often smell, the seats are completely worn down, the flooring is bubbling too |
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Post by route53 on Sept 7, 2019 16:24:24 GMT
Controversially I think Brixton Station should close, it’s a poor interchange to the Victoria Line, no chance of it ever being connected to the SLL to create and interchange, disabled access would be a nightmare for disabled people to navigate from the high street to the station itself.
I’m certain most Brixton residents use the Victoria line rather than use the Penge Metro, even though it’s non stop from Brixton to Victoria, the Station is never that busy during the day, so maybe it could become a peak hours only Station.
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Post by busaholic on Sept 7, 2019 17:16:33 GMT
Controversially I think Brixton Station should close, it’s a poor interchange to the Victoria Line, no chance of it ever being connected to the SLL to create and interchange, disabled access would be a nightmare for disabled people to navigate from the high street to the station itself. I’m certain most Brixton residents use the Victoria line rather than use the Penge Metro, even though it’s non stop from Brixton to Victoria, the Station is never that busy during the day, so maybe it could become a peak hours only Station. I used Brixton Station many times when I lived near Bromley South, again when I lived near Beckenham Junction and, for a short while, when I ran a record shop yards from Shortlands Station: its main purpose since the Victoria Line opened has always been for traffic to/from the Orpington direction, for which it's very useful both for shops/market and bus interchange. It has a lot of faults that can't realistically be fixed, and can be a rather threatening place in the evenings, but I'd still hate to see it close. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 7, 2019 18:06:43 GMT
Controversially I think Brixton Station should close, it’s a poor interchange to the Victoria Line, no chance of it ever being connected to the SLL to create and interchange, disabled access would be a nightmare for disabled people to navigate from the high street to the station itself. I’m certain most Brixton residents use the Victoria line rather than use the Penge Metro, even though it’s non stop from Brixton to Victoria, the Station is never that busy during the day, so maybe it could become a peak hours only Station. Brixton Station doesn’t need closing, it needs a rebuild with direct access to the Overground & Victoria. It sees decent usage in & out of the peaks with links to Penge & Bromley but because of where & how it’s built, it won’t match the Victoria Line station unless rebuilt. |
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Post by danorak on Sept 7, 2019 20:57:09 GMT
So it looks like re-tendering of Southeastern has been postponed indefinitely then? I heard from a friend that it was largely to do with the timetable proposed to start in 2022 was impractical, and that there were few benefits to passengers, which is true, because it proposed a service from Maidstone West to Cannon Street via Woolwich and either Lewisham or Greenwich but would all stops in the London end, I don’t understand this obsession with making outer London regional services all stops at the moment but it’s unreasonable. Also let’s hope GoVia finally refurbished the networkers then! And put barriers up in stations, you can literally travel from Shortlands to Brixton for free since all the stations on that stretch have not barriers, just oyster pads. Both my local stations; Blackheath and Greenwich are major stations and destinations yet they have no barriers, Greenwich is also a TfL interchange, it’s an absolute joke! Also something must be done about Brixton, even if it means permanent closure, because the station quite frankly is a joke. Rant over! Sorry but it’s frustrating how poor SE has been ran over the years! Especially since there is no hope of TfL ever gaining control of it. With the Williams review and a change of Secretary of State at the DfT, I wouldn't be surprised if transfer of Metro services to TfL was looked at again. Shapps was keen to see services on his line transferred to TfL when he was affected by the Thameslink fiasco. I did read somewhere else though that there were issues in separating out the Southeastern metro services that TfL had conveniently ignored last time around. |
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Post by route53 on Sept 7, 2019 22:00:19 GMT
So it looks like re-tendering of Southeastern has been postponed indefinitely then? I heard from a friend that it was largely to do with the timetable proposed to start in 2022 was impractical, and that there were few benefits to passengers, which is true, because it proposed a service from Maidstone West to Cannon Street via Woolwich and either Lewisham or Greenwich but would all stops in the London end, I don’t understand this obsession with making outer London regional services all stops at the moment but it’s unreasonable. Also let’s hope GoVia finally refurbished the networkers then! And put barriers up in stations, you can literally travel from Shortlands to Brixton for free since all the stations on that stretch have not barriers, just oyster pads. Both my local stations; Blackheath and Greenwich are major stations and destinations yet they have no barriers, Greenwich is also a TfL interchange, it’s an absolute joke! Also something must be done about Brixton, even if it means permanent closure, because the station quite frankly is a joke. Rant over! Sorry but it’s frustrating how poor SE has been ran over the years! Especially since there is no hope of TfL ever gaining control of it. With the Williams review and a change of Secretary of State at the DfT, I wouldn't be surprised if transfer of Metro services to TfL was looked at again. Shapps was keen to see services on his line transferred to TfL when he was affected by the Thameslink fiasco. I did read somewhere else though that there were issues in separating out the Southeastern metro services that TfL had conveniently ignored last time around. Beyond the Moorgate metro lines, if the Overground ever takes over that route that is, TfL isn’t exactly rolling in cash, I doubt SE Metro routes will ever be taken over by TfL any time soon. |
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Post by MrMaguire on Sept 10, 2019 7:19:09 GMT
So it looks like re-tendering of Southeastern has been postponed indefinitely then? I heard from a friend that it was largely to do with the timetable proposed to start in 2022 was impractical, and that there were few benefits to passengers, which is true, because it proposed a service from Maidstone West to Cannon Street via Woolwich and either Lewisham or Greenwich but would all stops in the London end, I don’t understand this obsession with making outer London regional services all stops at the moment but it’s unreasonable. Also let’s hope GoVia finally refurbished the networkers then! And put barriers up in stations, you can literally travel from Shortlands to Brixton for free since all the stations on that stretch have not barriers, just oyster pads. Both my local stations; Blackheath and Greenwich are major stations and destinations yet they have no barriers, Greenwich is also a TfL interchange, it’s an absolute joke! Also something must be done about Brixton, even if it means permanent closure, because the station quite frankly is a joke. Rant over! Sorry but it’s frustrating how poor SE has been ran over the years! Especially since there is no hope of TfL ever gaining control of it. The Networkers were refurbished a few years ago, although not extensively The 465s and 466s had a thorough refurb between about 2005 and 2007. They went through everything: repainting the interior panellng and seat backs, they redid the light shades and advert frames in blue, replaced all of the lights themselves with brighter ones, fitted sloping buffer covers to stop people from riding on them (!) repainted the yellow ends, and re-livered them. (In about 2010 they got new seat moquette - which yeah, hasn't aged as well as the NSE moquette - and also new advert frames again.) All of that was done because they were so badly vandalised (and continue to be to a lesser extent), and it probably counted as their mid-life refurbishment. Why they haven't replaced the original floor in the BREL units I don't know, though there are some coaches that have new floor throughout, like the lavatory coach on 465184. I think the Metro Cammell units are in better cosmetic condition than the BRELs. I know the work on each is done by two separate companies. Maybe one is just better than the other. This morning I saw one of the old blue advert frames in place of the newer silver ones on the lavatory coach of 465176. It even had something on it, looked like a network map. I like little things like that. |
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Post by route53 on Sept 10, 2019 11:51:02 GMT
In a way I’m glad the franchise process has collapsed, because the proposed timetable they had planned was dire for the metro routes
They wanted to reduce the conflict moves at Lewisham by not having CX trains, but then decide that the Bexleyheath line needs 4tph to CX while the Woolwich line would lose all CX and be served by Cannon Street trains only? Thereby the conflict moves would remain, so they may as well keep CX at 2tph to the Woolwich line, an: 2tph CX trains to the Bexleyheath line.
Charing Cross trains are probably the busiest trains on the Woolwich line, even busier than Thameslink which isn’t nearly as full when I use it considering it goes right across London, where as the CX trains have far more people on its service.
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Post by MrMaguire on Sept 13, 2019 8:18:30 GMT
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Post by route53 on Sept 13, 2019 11:52:55 GMT
Oh my! That is old, that’s from the early to mid noughties at least. I remember the old NSE 1990s era route diagram maps for the “Kent Link” lines that was displayed above the doors the last time I saw one was in 2008! Years after both the Kent Link and Connex brands had long since disappeared |
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Post by rng on Nov 28, 2019 18:25:06 GMT
Every day brings new problems on this network. For the umpteenth time in several days I’m stuck on a train behind a defective one.
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Post by kenmet on Nov 28, 2019 18:40:36 GMT
Every day brings new problems on this network. For the umpteenth time in several days I’m stuck on a train behind a defective one. Where abouts? |
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Post by rng on Nov 28, 2019 18:55:37 GMT
Every day brings new problems on this network. For the umpteenth time in several days I’m stuck on a train behind a defective one. Where abouts? It was at Blackheath but we’re on the move again now. Last week first train of the day went defective. Doors wouldn’t open. Over running engineering work at Ashford. Trespassers ( granted not SE trains fault ) . Tiring !! |
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Post by Nathan on Nov 28, 2019 19:02:09 GMT
Every day brings new problems on this network. For the umpteenth time in several days I’m stuck on a train behind a defective one. Yup. Almost everyday there's signalling problems or some other kind of fresh hell around the Lewisham-New Cross area. I'm glad I decided not to take the trains this week. |
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