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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 19:33:16 GMT
Warning beeps are enough to annoy any driver so he must have heard the beeps unless he had a headphone and was listening to something, as a bus driver if I go to an area that I don,t know well and their is a bridge even if it is high enough for D/D I will still be very cautious approaching it so its common sense, the driver must have been driving fast that's why the whole roof was ripped, no excuses absolutely, he will definitely get sacked and may even lose his PCV license, back in 2004 at Leyton new driver on his first in service on route 69 take the bus from the garage running out of service to canning town so he decided to use his local short cut route (west ham lane) ripping the top of brand new bus despite a police car on opposite direction flashing at him and signalling for him to slow down he ignored them, the outcome lost his job and traffic commissioner take his license away so their is no excuses if your mind is on the job 100% then you will be fine and if not then don,t do the job that simple because peoples life depend on how you do your job, if you can't do it safely don't do it that is the First slogan
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Post by greeny253 on Jul 20, 2015 20:02:46 GMT
Anyone have a recording of such an iBus recording? Low bridge warning? It's one of those noises that you'll know when you hear it! |
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Post by moz on Jul 21, 2015 1:58:59 GMT
I don't know if it is still the case but there used to be a combined 197/312 rota at TC with some mixed duties. It could be that the driver had done a 312 first half and subconciously thought he was still on there for their second 197 half - E200 and E400 cabs are basically the same.
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Post by Steve80 on Jul 22, 2015 1:43:59 GMT
I don't know if it is still the case but there used to be a combined 197/312 rota at TC with some mixed duties. It could be that the driver had done a 312 first half and subconciously thought he was still on there for their second 197 half - E200 and E400 cabs are basically the same. Moz I see many of the drivers regularly do the 197 and 312 daily so I guess the rota is still mixed. Its strange that this has happened as the driver would have had to make the left turn out of Clifford Road (After serving Norwood Junction Bus stop), then immediately check to see if the zebra crossing is clear and then make the immediate right turn onto Manor Road. It looks like the driver went quite far underneath the bridge. Also explains my little trouble on Saturday evening around 9.30pm. Was waiting for a 312 on Cherry Orchard Road (towards Croydon) and the bus approached but stopped short so the 312 driver could speak to the driver of the 197 which was parked at the bus stop on the other side. They were speaking there for over a minute which I thought was extreme. I mean, if I had to stop and talk to another driver I wouldn't stop and block the whole road to the point that vehicles were doing 3 point turns as they got fed up of waiting  |
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Post by sid on Jul 22, 2015 9:15:17 GMT
I don't know if it is still the case but there used to be a combined 197/312 rota at TC with some mixed duties. It could be that the driver had done a 312 first half and subconciously thought he was still on there for their second 197 half - E200 and E400 cabs are basically the same. Moz I see many of the drivers regularly do the 197 and 312 daily so I guess the rota is still mixed. Its strange that this has happened as the driver would have had to make the left turn out of Clifford Road (After serving Norwood Junction Bus stop), then immediately check to see if the zebra crossing is clear and then make the immediate right turn onto Manor Road. It looks like the driver went quite far underneath the bridge. Also explains my little trouble on Saturday evening around 9.30pm. Was waiting for a 312 on Cherry Orchard Road (towards Croydon) and the bus approached but stopped short so the 312 driver could speak to the driver of the 197 which was parked at the bus stop on the other side. They were speaking there for over a minute which I thought was extreme. I mean, if I had to stop and talk to another driver I wouldn't stop and block the whole road to the point that vehicles were doing 3 point turns as they got fed up of waiting Just as an aside to this I wonder why the 197 towards Peckham goes via Doyle Road and Clifford Road? I believe this arrangement was originally put in place to provide a common stop for the 12 and 12A but with the 12 having long since been removed from the area what is the point of it now. Of course the 312 doesn't go under the low bridge anyway and is often double deck operated anyway so it shouldn't matter as far as drivers are concerned. It does seem that the driver of this bus picked up some considerable speed in a short distance. Bus drivers blocking roads to have a chat is totally unacceptable. |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 22, 2015 12:10:42 GMT
I see many of the drivers regularly do the 197 and 312 daily so I guess the rota is still mixed. Its strange that this has happened as the driver would have had to make the left turn out of Clifford Road (After serving Norwood Junction Bus stop), then immediately check to see if the zebra crossing is clear and then make the immediate right turn onto Manor Road. It looks like the driver went quite far underneath the bridge. Also explains my little trouble on Saturday evening around 9.30pm. Was waiting for a 312 on Cherry Orchard Road (towards Croydon) and the bus approached but stopped short so the 312 driver could speak to the driver of the 197 which was parked at the bus stop on the other side. They were speaking there for over a minute which I thought was extreme. I mean, if I had to stop and talk to another driver I wouldn't stop and block the whole road to the point that vehicles were doing 3 point turns as they got fed up of waiting Just as an aside to this I wonder why the 197 towards Peckham goes via Doyle Road and Clifford Road? I believe this arrangement was originally put in place to provide a common stop for the 12 and 12A but with the 12 having long since been removed from the area what is the point of it now. Of course the 312 doesn't go under the low bridge anyway and is often double deck operated anyway so it shouldn't matter as far as drivers are concerned. It does seem that the driver of this bus picked up some considerable speed in a short distance. Bus drivers blocking roads to have a chat is totally unacceptable. It serves Doyle Road & Clifford Road so it can serve Norwood Junction Station & the residential area next to it. |
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Post by sid on Jul 22, 2015 12:15:46 GMT
Just as an aside to this I wonder why the 197 towards Peckham goes via Doyle Road and Clifford Road? I believe this arrangement was originally put in place to provide a common stop for the 12 and 12A but with the 12 having long since been removed from the area what is the point of it now. Of course the 312 doesn't go under the low bridge anyway and is often double deck operated anyway so it shouldn't matter as far as drivers are concerned. It does seem that the driver of this bus picked up some considerable speed in a short distance. Bus drivers blocking roads to have a chat is totally unacceptable. It serves Doyle Road & Clifford Road so it can serve Norwood Junction Station & the residential area next to it. But only in one direction. There used to be a stop in Portland Road between Doyle/Clifford Road and the difference in distance really is insignificant |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 22, 2015 14:19:38 GMT
It serves Doyle Road & Clifford Road so it can serve Norwood Junction Station & the residential area next to it. But only in one direction. There used to be a stop in Portland Road between Doyle/Clifford Road and the difference in distance really is insignificant The difference is more significant as the current arrangement means are dropped outside the station rather than chucked out on the main road away from the station. Besides, the main road is slightly narrow there with all the parked cars there meaning erecting a bus stop which bring problems. |
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Post by sid on Jul 22, 2015 14:29:10 GMT
But only in one direction. There used to be a stop in Portland Road between Doyle/Clifford Road and the difference in distance really is insignificant The difference is more significant as the current arrangement means are dropped outside the station rather than chucked out on the main road away from the station. Besides, the main road is slightly narrow there with all the parked cars there meaning erecting a bus stop which bring problems. But the 197 still doesn't drop them outside the station, the 312 stops nearer. |
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Post by paulsw2 on Jul 22, 2015 15:27:53 GMT
Just as an aside to this I wonder why the 197 towards Peckham goes via Doyle Road and Clifford Road? I believe this arrangement was originally put in place to provide a common stop for the 12 and 12A but with the 12 having long since been removed from the area what is the point of it now. Of course the 312 doesn't go under the low bridge anyway and is often double deck operated anyway so it shouldn't matter as far as drivers are concerned. It does seem that the driver of this bus picked up some considerable speed in a short distance. Bus drivers blocking roads to have a chat is totally unacceptable. It serves Doyle Road & Clifford Road so it can serve Norwood Junction Station & the residential area next to it. Chances are the driver was telling the 197 driver about the incident at Norwood Junction |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 22, 2015 17:28:39 GMT
The difference is more significant as the current arrangement means are dropped outside the station rather than chucked out on the main road away from the station. Besides, the main road is slightly narrow there with all the parked cars there meaning erecting a bus stop which bring problems. But the 197 still doesn't drop them outside the station, the 312 stops nearer. It's still much nearer than if it was on Portland Road. |
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Post by sid on Jul 23, 2015 12:30:50 GMT
But the 197 still doesn't drop them outside the station, the 312 stops nearer. It's still much nearer than if it was on Portland Road. Quite honestly I don't see much point in keeping this deviation, which can be quite time consuming when it's busy, just so buses can stop a few yards nearer the station. Years ago there was a stop between Clifford Road and the low bridge but that was deemed unsuitable for OPO buses and moved further back. This meant no common stop for the 12 and 12A which is probably why the current arrangement was introduced but as there is now only the one route to Peckham it isn't needed. Funnily enough on the other side of the railway it seems equally pointless for the 130 to continue serving Grosvenor Road since it was extended to Thornton Heath. |
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Post by Steve80 on Jul 23, 2015 21:08:33 GMT
It's still much nearer than if it was on Portland Road. Funnily enough on the other side of the railway it seems equally pointless for the 130 to continue serving Grosvenor Road since it was extended to Thornton Heath. My opinion is different in that it would be beneficial to have all buses serving the stop on Grosvenor Road. When you consider the amount of passengers at the stops on the other side in South Norwood Clock Tower and Portland Road (heading northbound) then it does make you wonder why the 75/157/410 are not able to serve that stop on Grosvenor Road or at least serve anywhere opposite the Portland Road bus stop. Obviously, getting out of Grosvenor Road is difficult. I regularly see the 130 going on the kerb to get out of there as they need the whole road to make that turning. The constant traffic there makes things very problematic also so with the current arrangements it wouldn't be a good idea to have all buses serving the stop. |
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