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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 21, 2016 16:50:08 GMT
The ELT today was slightly interesting. The EL1 had a triple bunching in it followed by a huge gap, heard a lot of people complaining about the withdrawal of the EL2 from the area. Meanwhile the EL2 seemed to be running quite well, however there was a random 15min gap in the route. People seemed to have discovered that there is an alternative to the 5 now. However I can't say that it stopped the 5s getting crowded in any way.
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Post by lonmark on Mar 21, 2016 17:22:12 GMT
The ELT today was slightly interesting. The EL1 had a triple bunching in it followed by a huge gap, heard a lot of people complaining about the withdrawal of the EL2 from the area. Meanwhile the EL2 seemed to be running quite well, however there was a random 15min gap in the route. People seemed to have discovered that there is an alternative to the 5 now. However I can't say that it stopped the 5s getting crowded in any way. Give a week before more people will switch over to EL2 if 5 is full or not turn up! Same as when 320 was extended to Catford and lots of people let it go and wait for route 208 because they not sure where 320 go along the route on the roads!
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 21, 2016 18:26:29 GMT
The ELT today was slightly interesting. The EL1 had a triple bunching in it followed by a huge gap, heard a lot of people complaining about the withdrawal of the EL2 from the area. Meanwhile the EL2 seemed to be running quite well, however there was a random 15min gap in the route. People seemed to have discovered that there is an alternative to the 5 now. However I can't say that it stopped the 5s getting crowded in any way. Typical Joe & Jenny Public complaining without the facts. If they bothered to look at the information displays at bus stops, they'd know that the same amount of buses go along Ilford Lane with an enhanced service southbound from Barking. A 10 min headway turned to 8 mins from Dagenham Dock to Thames View & a 10 min headway turned into 6 mins from Barking Riverside to Thames View; with about 18 buses along the main Transit corridor. But yet Joe and Jenny Public will talk till they're blue in the face about non existent problems when as aforementioned services have actually improved and new links created. And I thought I was a pessimist...
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Post by snoggle on Mar 21, 2016 20:53:18 GMT
The ELT today was slightly interesting. The EL1 had a triple bunching in it followed by a huge gap, heard a lot of people complaining about the withdrawal of the EL2 from the area. Meanwhile the EL2 seemed to be running quite well, however there was a random 15min gap in the route. People seemed to have discovered that there is an alternative to the 5 now. However I can't say that it stopped the 5s getting crowded in any way. Typical Joe & Jenny Public complaining without the facts. If they bothered to look at the information displays at bus stops, they'd know that the same amount of buses go along Ilford Lane with an enhanced service southbound from Barking. A 10 min headway turned to 8 mins from Dagenham Dock to Thames View & a 10 min headway turned into 6 mins from Barking Riverside to Thames View; with about 18 buses along the main Transit corridor. But yet Joe and Jenny Public will talk till they're blue in the face about non existent problems when as aforementioned services have actually improved and new links created. And I thought I was a pessimist... Well yes but you know what has happened! I note TfL haven't updated the Spider Maps so if there are maps at the stops then they won't be up to date and how many punters ever bother to check timetable panels (assuming they *have* been updated)? The other issue is that you're quoting the theory but if it's not been delivered "on the ground" (seems not based on eastlondoner's remarks) then it's no shock people will be grumbling. It's worth bearing in mind that the EL1 service (Barking - Ilford) has actually seen a 1 bph reduction for the peaks and shopping hours which strikes me as counter intuitive unless the objective is to get more people on 169s (assuming they're running properly).
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 28, 2016 16:41:36 GMT
Was having a good bank holiday until I realised West Ham hadn't moved to the Olympic Stadium yet! In addition to the engineering works on the District Line that made Barking Station unbearable. But the home game also clammed bus route 5 so when I exited the station, I was met by a lovely scene...people eagerly boarding the EL2 (filling it as there were loads of souls at the bus stop). Guess Joe and Jenny Public have finally come to their senses!!
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Post by routew15 on Jun 17, 2016 11:59:37 GMT
TfL has launched a consultation today to make changes to routes EL1 & 387 serving the Creekmouth & Barking Riverside area EL1 & 387 consultation page -source: TfL consultation page The changes will results in the formation of the EL3 and discontinuation of the 387. Also minor route changes to the EL1 Consultation closes Sunday 14 August 2016
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Post by enviroPB on Jul 31, 2016 18:02:57 GMT
Dunno about anybody else, but I found the Feb. 2017 finishing date for bus stops along the new EL2 route (Longbridge Road & Wood Lane) to be a bit fishy when the refurbishment can most certainly be conducted sooner. Now that the EL3 was awarded with its contract exchanging hands in February, I now understand why.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 31, 2016 19:06:31 GMT
Dunno about anybody else, but I found the Feb. 2017 finishing date for bus stops along the new EL2 route (Longbridge Road & Wood Lane) to be a bit fishy when the refurbishment can most certainly be conducted sooner. Now that the EL3 was awarded with its contract exchanging hands in February, I now understand why. Talking of which, I haven't even seen them start refurbishing the stops. There have been a few stop renames in the area e.g "Fanshawe Avenue" becoming "Park Avenue" and "Goodmayes Lane" becoming "St Thomas More Catholic Church." I wonder if they'll repave some of the roads as well like they did back in 2010, not to mention Becontree Heath Bus Station needs a complete overhaul as the place looks so tacky. But most importantly more bays need to be added to the bus station as often I go past the place and see 150s standing on the main road especially with LTs soon coming. I wonder if they'll also see an opportunity to re-calibrate the light at Goodmayes Station as the lights there are sequences terribly and it's normal to have long queues over something so ridiculous Some of the ELT stops are also in a complete state with the branding of some stops completely gone.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Jul 31, 2016 20:04:27 GMT
Dunno about anybody else, but I found the Feb. 2017 finishing date for bus stops along the new EL2 route (Longbridge Road & Wood Lane) to be a bit fishy when the refurbishment can most certainly be conducted sooner. Now that the EL3 was awarded with its contract exchanging hands in February, I now understand why. Talking of which, I haven't even seen them start refurbishing the stops. There have been a few stop renames in the area e.g "Fanshawe Avenue" becoming "Park Avenue" and "Goodmayes Lane" becoming "St Thomas More Catholic Church." I wonder if they'll repave some of the roads as well like they did back in 2010, not to mention Becontree Heath Bus Station needs a complete overhaul as the place looks so tacky. But most importantly more bays need to be added to the bus station as often I go past the place and see 150s standing on the main road especially with LTs soon coming. I wonder if they'll also see an opportunity to re-calibrate the light at Goodmayes Station as the lights there are sequences terribly and it's normal to have long queues over something so ridiculous Some of the ELT stops are also in a complete state with the branding of some stops completely gone. I think Becontree Heath Bus Station is being redeveloped with the buses standing in an area next to Leisure Centre. As for the bus stops on Longbridge Road, the stop outside my flats have been renamed-the paving area at the stop opposite was extended earlier this year
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 3, 2016 20:54:44 GMT
Talking of which, I haven't even seen them start refurbishing the stops. There have been a few stop renames in the area e.g "Fanshawe Avenue" becoming "Park Avenue" and "Goodmayes Lane" becoming "St Thomas More Catholic Church." I wonder if they'll repave some of the roads as well like they did back in 2010, not to mention Becontree Heath Bus Station needs a complete overhaul as the place looks so tacky. But most importantly more bays need to be added to the bus station as often I go past the place and see 150s standing on the main road especially with LTs soon coming. I wonder if they'll also see an opportunity to re-calibrate the light at Goodmayes Station as the lights there are sequences terribly and it's normal to have long queues over something so ridiculous Some of the ELT stops are also in a complete state with the branding of some stops completely gone. I think Becontree Heath Bus Station is being redeveloped with the buses standing in an area next to Leisure Centre. Interesting, I wouldn't be too surprised if the EL2 and 150 got given different bus stands and the EL2 one purposely made a bit more glamorous as well as being designated as a "terminus"
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Post by snoggle on Aug 3, 2016 21:55:25 GMT
I think Becontree Heath Bus Station is being redeveloped with the buses standing in an area next to Leisure Centre. Interesting, I wouldn't be too surprised if the EL2 and 150 got given different bus stands and the EL2 one purposely made a bit more glamorous as well as being designated as a "terminus" Glamorous? Becontree Heath? .. catches breath ..
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Post by snoggle on Oct 26, 2016 22:23:39 GMT
If anyone wants to go into analysis mode then there are some interesting statements and accompanying data about bus services in the Barking Riverside area. It is interesting that TfL have apparently taken decisions that there will be no more frequency improvements in Barking Riverside until at least 2021 and probably beyond. You have to wait until 2031 for further increases and the EL4 emerging. I guess they've had to do all this work because of the TWAO submission to build the GOBLIN extension but it shows how TfL approach things and how "settled" things can be. There are maps showing where the revised routes will go in 2021 and 2031 with the EL1/3 serving the Overground station. There's a lot of info in each of the links below so you'll need to work your way through if you want to see the numbers, frequencies and maps. Expert evidenceSupporting evidence
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Post by routew15 on Oct 26, 2016 22:59:27 GMT
Is the redevelopment of Barking Station still taking place ? Doesn't seem to be much talk on that. Was it included in C2c's recent franchise? Sorry for the off topic question
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Post by snoggle on Oct 27, 2016 9:54:14 GMT
Is the redevelopment of Barking Station still taking place ? Doesn't seem to be much talk on that. Was it included in C2c's recent franchise? Sorry for the off topic question I think redevelopment was probably stretching it. My understanding was that there was a sum of money (£5m?) in the franchise earmarked for Barking. In such a large station that won't go very far really. Might buy you some rationalisation of space on the platforms and a lick of paint but that's it. Securing a large increase in circulation / gateline space and more stairs or escalators to the platforms is probably needed but very expensive as it would involve an extended deck etc. I've not seen Barking in the AM peak but I imagine it's nightmarish. I have waited for a GOBLIN on platform 7 in the PM peak and that was very busy indeed.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Oct 27, 2016 10:48:00 GMT
Is the redevelopment of Barking Station still taking place ? Doesn't seem to be much talk on that. Was it included in C2c's recent franchise? Sorry for the off topic question I think redevelopment was probably stretching it. My understanding was that there was a sum of money (£5m?) in the franchise earmarked for Barking. In such a large station that won't go very far really. Might buy you some rationalisation of space on the platforms and a lick of paint but that's it. Securing a large increase in circulation / gateline space and more stairs or escalators to the platforms is probably needed but very expensive as it would involve an extended deck etc. I've not seen Barking in the AM peak but I imagine it's nightmarish. I have waited for a GOBLIN on platform 7 in the PM peak and that was very busy indeed. The stairs to platforms 5 and 6 (westbound District/Hot & Cold/c2c) are the main pinch points in the morning peak. It functions OK as a station, but there's not much space to do anything to improve passenger flows. c2c tried to make the staircases one way with no entry/entry signage painted on the floors but everybody ignored them. In an attempt to improve passenger flows getting on to the trains, the stopping position for 4 and 8 car trains has changed on platform 5, with the middle of the train being in line with the bottom of the stairs rather than the rear carriage
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