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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 10:39:12 GMT
The country was supposed to fall apart as soon as the referendum result was announced but nothing of the kind has happened. Who is to decide who the experts are? Tim Martin chairman of Whetherspoons who is clearly a very astute businessman is a strong advocate of a no deal Brexit, are you really saying he's got it all wrong? Clearly he doesn't get many things wrong. The country certainly has looked to have fallen apart. Despite uncertainty over Brexit, caused by those seeking to delay or prevent it, the economy is in fine fettle. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 10:41:49 GMT
The country was supposed to fall apart as soon as the referendum result was announced but nothing of the kind has happened. Who is to decide who the experts are? Tim Martin chairman of Whetherspoons who is clearly a very astute businessman is a strong advocate of a no deal Brexit, are you really saying he's got it all wrong? Clearly he doesn't get many things wrong. He certainly got wrong the removal of Sunday roast dinners from Whetherspoons menu which is still incredibly popular in this country. I must confess I didn't realise that they had stopped doing Sunday roasts. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 10:49:48 GMT
This is why a second referendum cannot be allowed to happen. The Remain camp will bounce up and down, stamp their feet and have a tantrum until three choices are listed on the ballot paper; 1) Leave with No Deal 2) Leave with a Deal 3) Remain The Leave vote gets split and Remain wins........ I can see a second referendum happening, then it ends up with a similar result still with leave winning and this being drawn out for years to come. These things are engineered to happen with certain people/companies benefiting out of the scenario. David Cameron is in the news this morning saying that a second referendum can't be ruled out, it would just be a complete farce quite honestly. Cameron clearly thought by having the referendum in the first place he would put that impudent upstart Farage in his place once and for all but it didn't work out that way. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 14, 2019 11:27:06 GMT
Surely Thatcher is to blame for housing - she introduced right to buy, sold off other council housing and then left the remaining council housing to rot hence why estates got the reputation they got and why Grenfell eventually happened. Successive governments must share the blame as well but it all began with her. I disagree, why should people slave all their lives and have nothing to show for and constantly be fleeced for the rest of their lives with rent. I fully back the right to buy, trouble is there should have been more housing to replace houses that went off the market, but this did not happen. Even after Thatcher, house building was very slow to materialise, in London had to be done on brownfield sites, then they never forecast the amount of people migrated to the country in the 90's and early 2000's. Estates had these reputations years ago, since the 70's. Grenfell has nothing to do with right to buy, but by shoddy contracts to refurbish council housing to pee poor standards. Even standard homes done by the council the contractors charge the councils stupid amounts of money for sh*t standard work that could be done by kids on a YTS scheme.
I think you’ve misread my entire post because I didn’t give my opinion on right to buy but stated IMO who is to blame for the housing crisis and it ultimately starts on her watch by her introducing right to buy whilst selling off council housing which I said in my original post - furthermore, I already stated successive governments have their share of the blame too but it starts with her. Not only that but I didn’t say Grenfell has anything to do with right to buy but it certainly has everything to do with the housing crisis in the sense that council houses where left to rot in terms of repairs & crime prevention of which one was a massive reason as to why Grenfell happened. |
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Post by N230UD on Sept 14, 2019 12:12:34 GMT
The country certainly has looked to have fallen apart. Despite uncertainty over Brexit, caused by those seeking to delay or prevent it, the economy is in fine fettle. Well, firstly we haven't actually left yet! That will be the real test of how this will damage or assist our economy. Even if it ends up benefitting, it's a big gamble to take. Gambling with a country's economy seems like utter stupidity. Despite being a 'snowflake millenial remainer', I can see there could be some benefits with leaving the EU. But not with a no deal! There are hardly any countries trading in WTO terms. The uncertainty can't be blamed on Remainers! Well, maybe partly. Brexiteers have failed to prepare properly for this, I don't know how anyone could deny that. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 14, 2019 13:17:20 GMT
The country certainly has looked to have fallen apart. Despite uncertainty over Brexit, caused by those seeking to delay or prevent it, the economy is in fine fettle. Order might not have collapsed but to say the economy is in fine fettle is certainly stretching it somewhat. |
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Post by rif153 on Sept 14, 2019 18:56:24 GMT
Wow, yet another MP has defected to the Lib Dems, this time its Sam Gyimah.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Sept 14, 2019 19:08:54 GMT
Wow, yet another MP has defected to the Lib Dems, this time its Sam Gyimah. So, that's 3 ex-Tory (Sam Gyimah, Philip Lee and Sarah Woolaston) and 3 ex-Labour (Angela Smith, Luciana Berger and Chuka Umunna)  For defectors, Jo Swinson is the most successful Liberal/ LibDem leader of all-time.  And there was incidentally the win of Brecon & Radnorshire at the by-election 6 weeks ago.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 19:24:56 GMT
Wow, yet another MP has defected to the Lib Dems, this time its Sam Gyimah. These defects don't always go down well with the public - often see calls for By-Elections when they defect. A general election will be very interesting when it eventually happens. |
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Post by rif153 on Sept 14, 2019 19:43:19 GMT
Wow, yet another MP has defected to the Lib Dems, this time its Sam Gyimah. These defects don't always go down well with the public - often see calls for By-Elections when they defect. A general election will be very interesting when it eventually happens. It is ironic how they go to the Lib Dems supporting a people's vote, but if they loved democracy so much they'd call by elections because their electorate 'didn't know what they were voting for' at the last general election. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 15, 2019 22:19:09 GMT
Despite uncertainty over Brexit, caused by those seeking to delay or prevent it, the economy is in fine fettle. Well, firstly we haven't actually left yet! That will be the real test of how this will damage or assist our economy. Even if it ends up benefitting, it's a big gamble to take. Gambling with a country's economy seems like utter stupidity. Despite being a 'snowflake millenial remainer', I can see there could be some benefits with leaving the EU. But not with a no deal! There are hardly any countries trading in WTO terms. The uncertainty can't be blamed on Remainers! Well, maybe partly. Brexiteers have failed to prepare properly for this, I don't know how anyone could deny that. They cannot prepare because the remainer bunch are a thorn in their side, no matter what, the remainers would do EVERYTHING to prevent brexit. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 7:30:27 GMT
Despite uncertainty over Brexit, caused by those seeking to delay or prevent it, the economy is in fine fettle. Well, firstly we haven't actually left yet! That will be the real test of how this will damage or assist our economy. Even if it ends up benefitting, it's a big gamble to take. Gambling with a country's economy seems like utter stupidity. Despite being a 'snowflake millenial remainer', I can see there could be some benefits with leaving the EU. But not with a no deal! There are hardly any countries trading in WTO terms. The uncertainty can't be blamed on Remainers! Well, maybe partly. Brexiteers have failed to prepare properly for this, I don't know how anyone could deny that. The uncertainty can be blamed on those who have constantly tried to thwart Brexit at every opportunity. Boris Johnson still seems confident of getting a satisfactory deal, if he does all well and good but for the sake of democracy we must leave on Oct 31st with or without a deal |
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Post by Nathan on Sept 16, 2019 8:00:39 GMT
Part of me wants a no-deal to happen now so house prices will crash so I can finally buy a house in this expensive city! Although with that said, I don't really want the rest of the economic mess to come through too.
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Post by snowman on Sept 16, 2019 10:01:46 GMT
Part of me wants a no-deal to happen now so house prices will crash so I can finally buy a house in this expensive city! Although with that said, I don't really want the rest of the economic mess to come through too. Being able to afford a house is good objective, but not sure what part of economics you are applying. Considerable numbers of homes in London are foreign owned, Brexit will trash the pound, and make it more attractive (and cheaper in their local currency) to buy up more London homes, so you will have more competition which may push prices higher. If London house prices were going to crash would have done so since the vote to leave as everyone bails out, but they didn't. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 10:10:31 GMT
Despite uncertainty over Brexit, caused by those seeking to delay or prevent it, the economy is in fine fettle. Well, firstly we haven't actually left yet! That will be the real test of how this will damage or assist our economy. Even if it ends up benefitting, it's a big gamble to take. Gambling with a country's economy seems like utter stupidity. Despite being a 'snowflake millenial remainer', I can see there could be some benefits with leaving the EU. But not with a no deal! There are hardly any countries trading in WTO terms. The uncertainty can't be blamed on Remainers! Well, maybe partly. Brexiteers have failed to prepare properly for this, I don't know how anyone could deny that. There are currently 164 member states in the WTO including the UK, it would be perfectly feasible to follow their guidance on trade going forward. The EU currently represents all its member nations so they would reasonably trade with us in the case of a no deal Brexit. I voted to leave but I don't think it should be without a deal but I also think it is shortsighted to take our number one bargaining tool off the table. All the MPs have simply done is to hand the EU control when our PM should have the control, lets not forget they need our billions to supprt failing economies in Greece, Spain etc not the other way around. I believe the EU should be more of an advisory body where nations met to solve disputes, reach agreements on trade, centralised banking, regulate free movement and to recommend laws rather than implement them etc rather than a law making government type body. I don't agree that a MEP from a 1000 miles away is allowed to make decisions on our future and vice versa, its wrong. We should have the power to implement the EU recommended laws and regulations but not make them mandatory. Businesses would adapt and change their products to follow EU legislation but not laws. I'm not saying the EU is a bad thing I just don't think it should be a government, we have our own government with people who represent us on a local level. To secure its future long term the EU needs to be a body that can advise and not control nations, we'd all be happier. Just imagine if the UN turned around and started telling nations to follows new laws there would be an uprise so why do we accept it from the EU?
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