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Post by sid on Sept 15, 2016 11:31:57 GMT
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Post by john on Sept 15, 2016 13:19:46 GMT
I swear almost a quarter of drivers I see when at work use their phones while driving. Almost all of these clearly have no idea what's happening on the road.
Personally the only way to deal with this is to a) enforce it in the same way other dangerous driving offences are and b) carry a minimum 2 year outright driving ban if caught. It's the only way it will eradicated, or useage levels drop. Doesn't help when you see police just go straight past someone doing it too
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Post by vjaska on Sept 15, 2016 14:19:10 GMT
I swear almost a quarter of drivers I see when at work use their phones while driving. Almost all of these clearly have no idea what's happening on the road. Personally the only way to deal with this is to a) enforce it in the same way other dangerous driving offences are and b) carry a minimum 2 year outright driving ban if caught. It's the only way it will eradicated, or useage levels drop. Doesn't help when you see police just go straight past someone doing it too It's the same with bicycles running through red lights - police are watching and do absolutely nothing despite how dangerous it is - only takes that extra second to knock someone over or collide with other traffic. |
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Post by snoggle on Sept 15, 2016 14:35:13 GMT
I swear almost a quarter of drivers I see when at work use their phones while driving. Almost all of these clearly have no idea what's happening on the road. Personally the only way to deal with this is to a) enforce it in the same way other dangerous driving offences are and b) carry a minimum 2 year outright driving ban if caught. It's the only way it will eradicated, or useage levels drop. Doesn't help when you see police just go straight past someone doing it too Well this is what happens when you inflict years of cuts on specialist traffic police units. When it all goes to r*tsh*t and the public are screaming because kiddies have been mown down outside a school for the umpteenth time then perhaps the politicians might realise that their actions have consequences. If we want society to function correctly, including law and order, then we need to pay for it rather than believing in the magic money tree. |
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Post by northken on Sept 15, 2016 18:58:00 GMT
I swear almost a quarter of drivers I see when at work use their phones while driving. Almost all of these clearly have no idea what's happening on the road. Personally the only way to deal with this is to a) enforce it in the same way other dangerous driving offences are and b) carry a minimum 2 year outright driving ban if caught. It's the only way it will eradicated, or useage levels drop. Doesn't help when you see police just go straight past someone doing it too It's the same with any vehicle running through red lights - police are watching and do absolutely nothing despite how dangerous it is - only takes that extra second to knock someone over or collide with other traffic. Sorry, but let's be fair. Also, it's not really the same. I've never heard of a cyclist going through a red light or being on the phone and killing a motorist. They simply don't have the same killing potential, although they can rarely kill pedestrians. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 15, 2016 19:39:08 GMT
It's the same with any vehicle running through red lights - police are watching and do absolutely nothing despite how dangerous it is - only takes that extra second to knock someone over or collide with other traffic. Sorry, but let's be fair. Also, it's not really the same. I've never heard of a cyclist going through a red light or being on the phone and killing a motorist. They simply don't have the same killing potential, although they can rarely kill pedestrians. That doesn't mean it's safe to do so or that police should blindly ignore it. |
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Post by northken on Sept 15, 2016 19:49:35 GMT
Sorry, but let's be fair. Also, it's not really the same. I've never heard of a cyclist going through a red light or being on the phone and killing a motorist. They simply don't have the same killing potential, although they can rarely kill pedestrians. That doesn't mean it's safe to do so or that police should blindly ignore it. Yes, I completely agree with you on that. It's a shame police lack sufficient resources to enforce the rules of the road, as noted above. |
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Post by sid on Sept 16, 2016 7:24:34 GMT
The problem certainly seems far worse in London, outside of the M25 drivers on phones are few and far between, with the worst offenders being van drivers especially (no great surprise!) those involved in the construction industry. Credit to bus drivers, I've never seen any using a phone whilst driving since it became illegal. Surrey police seem to be very proactive, they recently had a week long purge, but are other forces doing enough?
I still don't think the penalties are harsh enough, there should be no fixed penalty tickets but a court appearance (as with drink driving) with a mandatory driving ban of at least 28 days with much longer bans for any repeat offenders.
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Post by snoggle on Sept 17, 2016 0:01:33 GMT
And as if by magic the Government announce stricter penalties for incorrect use of mobile phones while driving. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37389800Anyone would think the government had carefully ensured a negative story has been placed in the press so they could then announce a "solution" to the bad news a few days latter. Cynical moi?    |
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Post by joefrombow on Sept 17, 2016 4:46:41 GMT
The problem certainly seems far worse in London, outside of the M25 drivers on phones are few and far between, with the worst offenders being van drivers especially (no great surprise!) those involved in the construction industry. Credit to bus drivers, I've never seen any using a phone whilst driving since it became illegal. Surrey police seem to be very proactive, they recently had a week long purge, but are other forces doing enough? I still don't think the penalties are harsh enough, there should be no fixed penalty tickets but a court appearance (as with drink driving) with a mandatory driving ban of at least 28 days with much longer bans for any repeat offenders. London's driving standards are terrible no manners everyone's in a rush don't get me started on the minicab drivers , but I did happen to see a Bus driver in Colchester glancing down in traffic with one hand on something on her lap just the other day I couldn't believe what I was seeing it's a symptom of technology I think the temptation is just too much for some people . |
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Post by sid on Sept 17, 2016 5:41:20 GMT
And as if by magic the Government announce stricter penalties for incorrect use of mobile phones while driving. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37389800Anyone would think the government had carefully ensured a negative story has been placed in the press so they could then announce a "solution" to the bad news a few days latter. Cynical moi? In fairness I think there have been calls for tougher penalties for quite a while and whilst this is certainly a step in the right direction I still think a mandatory driving ban is more appropriate. I'm sure we've all made mistakes whilst driving but using a phone is such a blatant contempt for the law and the safety of others. |
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Post by sid on Sept 17, 2016 5:49:35 GMT
The problem certainly seems far worse in London, outside of the M25 drivers on phones are few and far between, with the worst offenders being van drivers especially (no great surprise!) those involved in the construction industry. Credit to bus drivers, I've never seen any using a phone whilst driving since it became illegal. Surrey police seem to be very proactive, they recently had a week long purge, but are other forces doing enough? I still don't think the penalties are harsh enough, there should be no fixed penalty tickets but a court appearance (as with drink driving) with a mandatory driving ban of at least 28 days with much longer bans for any repeat offenders. London's driving standards are terrible no manners everyone's in a rush don't get me started on the minicab drivers , but I did happen to see a Bus driver in Colchester glancing down in traffic with one hand on something on her lap just the other day I couldn't believe what I was seeing it's a symptom of technology I think the temptation is just too much for some people . I certainly agree about London driving standards in general and minicabs (Addison Lee in particular!!) as well as vehicles involved in the construction industry. There was an incident featured on here recently about a bus driver on the 76 being filmed using a phone (and I suspect he is now an ex bus driver?) but generally I think bus driving standards are amongst the best in London. |
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Post by DT 11 on Sept 17, 2016 7:58:33 GMT
Only now they are starting to realise? Most drivers on the road are using handheld devices and controlling the wheel with 1 hand. I've seen HGV drivers doing it too. The driving standards in London from most roads users are poor anyways especially from Particular Vehicle makes you can predict there actions. |
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Post by DT 11 on Sept 17, 2016 8:08:12 GMT
London's driving standards are terrible no manners everyone's in a rush don't get me started on the minicab drivers , but I did happen to see a Bus driver in Colchester glancing down in traffic with one hand on something on her lap just the other day I couldn't believe what I was seeing it's a symptom of technology I think the temptation is just too much for some people . I certainly agree about London driving standards in general and minicabs (Addison Lee in particular!!) as well as vehicles involved in the construction industry. There was an incident featured on here recently about a bus driver on the 76 being filmed using a phone (and I suspect he is now an ex bus driver?) but generally I think bus driving standards are amongst the best in London. Lorry Drivers are always doing like 60 or 70 on the A2 the speed limit is 50. Addison Lee make up there own highway code the pricks always causing accidents. |
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Post by sid on Sept 17, 2016 8:48:44 GMT
I certainly agree about London driving standards in general and minicabs (Addison Lee in particular!!) as well as vehicles involved in the construction industry. There was an incident featured on here recently about a bus driver on the 76 being filmed using a phone (and I suspect he is now an ex bus driver?) but generally I think bus driving standards are amongst the best in London. Lorry Drivers are always doing like 60 or 70 on the A2 the speed limit is 50. Addison Lee make up there own highway code the pricks always causing accidents. Lorries have speed limiters fitted restricting them to 56mph although they can do more on downhill sections. Driving standards vary considerably, and the CPC course is a waste of time. Inevitably lorries involved in the construction industry tend to be the worst, often a dirty job that attracts a certain type of person, where as nice 'clean jobs' like supermarket work are more attractive. At the moment using a phone whilst driving a lorry can result in a fine in excess of £2,000, although how often such fines are imposed is another matter. |
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