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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 3:40:07 GMT
Lovely idea for a thread - thanks, OP! Curtailments are great  Other interesting stands I think, which are only there for curtailment purposes, are Yeading / Willowtree Lane, Bushey Heath / Alpine and Bath Road / Nobel Drive. The former looks odd because the stand sits up a little side road and I've never seen anything turn there. Bath Road / Nobel Drive is on blinds as Heathrow North and is used often enough Yeading / Willow Tree ( GSV) is an interesting turn indeed! The cage is marked out in a very non-standard way. I've never seen it used either. Yeading / White Hart, just up the road, is used fairly frequently. There's a stand off Ruislip Road ( GSV), though I believe it's a booked turn in either direction for any routes on Ruislip Road, Church Road, or Yeading Lane. Were a bus to use it, it would block the road - though I've watched dozens of 90s/120s/140s turn here and none have bothered with the faff of going to the stand, always just circumnavigating the roundabout. Thinking about it, it is fairly silly to provide such stands adjacent to roundabouts, particularly out of the way where they require a detour to get to. Are there any examples of these where the stand gets actual use? I've always wondered how the 98 gets to the stand in Coverdale road (just off willesden lane) and whether it is an official turning point. I'm happy to be corrected but don't some blinds say WILLESDEN LANE Christchurch? It's for northbound buses only: set down at Plympton Avenue, right onto Mapesbury Road, left onto Chatsworth Road, left onto Coverdale Road and stand. Proceed, left onto Willesden Lane, and pick up at Christchurch. No idea about blinds, sorry |
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Post by thewintersoldier on Nov 28, 2016 7:15:23 GMT
I've always wondered how the 98 gets to the stand in Coverdale road (just off willesden lane) and whether it is an official turning point. I'm happy to be corrected but don't some blinds say WILLESDEN LANE Christchurch? Willesden Lane Christchurch Avenue on blinds |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 10:03:21 GMT
I go through Ruislip often and see buses (mainly 114 but also seen E7 and 398) reversing into the single bay by the fencing near the entrance to the car park. It got me wondering... at what other places buses have to reverse into bays and how do drivers find having to reverse often like this from their personal experiences.
As I type this, I really can't think offhand where else I've seen this in practice at stands, maybe I saw a 204 do it at Sudbury Town, but I think he had OCD and was aligning with the road markings having not got it right first time!
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Post by sid on Nov 28, 2016 10:44:25 GMT
I go through Ruislip often and see buses (mainly 114 but also seen E7 and 398) reversing into the single bay by the fencing near the entrance to the car park. It got me wondering... at what other places buses have to reverse into bays and how do drivers find having to reverse often like this from their personal experiences. As I type this, I really can't think offhand where else I've seen this in practice at stands, maybe I saw a 204 do it at Sudbury Town, but I think he had OCD and was aligning with the road markings having not got it right first time! Orpington Station. |
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Post by londonbusboy on Nov 28, 2016 10:52:23 GMT
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Addington Village Interchange
Coney Hall - Last stop Layhams Road
Hayes Station (towards New Addington) last stop Hayes Hill Road on Pickhurst Lane. Turn right onto Hayes Hill Road, Tiepigs Lane, Left Bourne Way then start from Hayes Station. This turn is no longer official by the union as i suspect the blinds saying Hayes Station are misleading.
Bromley North - Towards Eltham last stop is Sainsburys, Towards Addington last stop Bromley North
Plaistow Green
Elmstead Woods - Towards Eltham last stop St Keverne - No longer official by the union due to it being tight to go round side roads to turn around.
Five Ways - Towards Eltham last stop Altash Gardens on William Barefoot Drive, Left Green Lane ahead at traffic lights, right Foots Cray Road to start from New Eltham station
Southend Crescent - Towards Eltham last stop Footscray Road/ Southend Crescent, 1st exit roundabout onto Footscray Road then right onto 126 stand or 124 stand (optional) 1st stop Halons Road. Thats the official turn but iBus expect buses to turn around on the roundabout.
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Post by enviroPB on Nov 28, 2016 11:38:19 GMT
I go through Ruislip often and see buses (mainly 114 but also seen E7 and 398) reversing into the single bay by the fencing near the entrance to the car park. It got me wondering... at what other places buses have to reverse into bays and how do drivers find having to reverse often like this from their personal experiences. As I type this, I really can't think offhand where else I've seen this in practice at stands, maybe I saw a 204 do it at Sudbury Town, but I think he had OCD and was aligning with the road markings having not got it right first time! If you're talking about walk-in-the-park reversing, then Barking town centre stand & Peckham bus station seem fairly straightforward. One I find perplexing though is Tooting Broadway with a stand in the middle of the road. It takes some fancy steering wheel action to get that bus to align in the cage; however I see some drivers not bother and stand nearside the road. |
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Post by sid on Nov 28, 2016 11:44:59 GMT
I go through Ruislip often and see buses (mainly 114 but also seen E7 and 398) reversing into the single bay by the fencing near the entrance to the car park. It got me wondering... at what other places buses have to reverse into bays and how do drivers find having to reverse often like this from their personal experiences. As I type this, I really can't think offhand where else I've seen this in practice at stands, maybe I saw a 204 do it at Sudbury Town, but I think he had OCD and was aligning with the road markings having not got it right first time! If you're talking about walk-in-the-park reversing, then Barking town centre stand & Peckham bus station seem fairly straightforward. One I find perplexing though is Tooting Broadway with a stand in the middle of the road. It takes some fancy steering wheel action to get that bus to align in the cage; however I see some drivers not bother and stand nearside the road. Tooting Broadway stand has always been problematical with regular complaints from local residents, I suspect this was the main reason for extending the 264 to St Georges Hospital. |
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Post by John tuthill on Nov 28, 2016 13:49:43 GMT
Was a rarity back in the day but always loved seeing a 'Brixton, George Canning' turn on a northbound 2 or southbound 432. This turn was displayed on some buses even after the George Canning became the Hobgoblin (other buses received 'Brixton, Hobgoblin' but I only ever saw it used once). For those wondering, the Hootonanny is the new name for the Hobgoblin & George Canning and the turn is now known as 'Brixton, Morval Road' 109's displaying 'Brixton, Vassall Road' always made me smile seeing as the DLA's were just too late to operate the 109 right up to Trafalgar Square (the turn was for the N109/N159) but nevertheless, this blind display survived right until the final S reg DLA's were withdrawn from TH in 2010. The S reg DLA's were the only DLA's capable of showing this - the later V, X, 52 & 03 reg DLA's at TH didn't receive this blind even though both the N109 & N159 passed Vassall Road. 'Brixton, Lambeth Town Hall' was another common display and a authorised turn for the 109 & 250 which always made me laugh given the next stop was the last stop  Lastly, I remember seeing on the excellent Buses at Work site that 'Brixton Hill, New Park Road' was a turning point - wonder where the stand was and why it's no longer a turning point? When I was a kid it was a popular turn on a Saturday, when all the shopping centres on the A23 were busy. |
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Post by John tuthill on Nov 28, 2016 13:58:22 GMT
Hello all. In order to help Alex answer his many queries for bus stands & turning points, I've decided to make this page as I too (and probably a few others) find it very intriguing where bus can and can't turn, where bus stands are hidden, Nowadays it's usually a street or an 'official' paved bus stand. I attach a 1971 photo showing the 'stand' for Bexley Hospital  Photo from "Sunday Service" by Jim Blake Regent Transport Publishing. I remember seeing a photo of a RM doing a three point turn into a field(!!!!) somewhere to the north of LT land. I'll post it IF I can find it  Attachment Deleted |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 14:09:14 GMT
I go through Ruislip often and see buses (mainly 114 but also seen E7 and 398) reversing into the single bay by the fencing near the entrance to the car park. It got me wondering... at what other places buses have to reverse into bays and how do drivers find having to reverse often like this from their personal experiences. As I type this, I really can't think offhand where else I've seen this in practice at stands, maybe I saw a 204 do it at Sudbury Town, but I think he had OCD and was aligning with the road markings having not got it right first time! If you're talking about walk-in-the-park reversing, then Barking town centre stand & Peckham bus station seem fairly straightforward. One I find perplexing though is Tooting Broadway with a stand in the middle of the road. It takes some fancy steering wheel action to get that bus to align in the cage; however I see some drivers not bother and stand nearside the road. Thanks! Didn't know about Tooting Bdy but have driven past there and saw the 264s kerbside... this was a while ago now though. Now I think about it I often see buses at Hammersmith bus station have to reverse into bays in front of other parked buses... d'oh! |
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Post by sid on Nov 28, 2016 15:15:03 GMT
Hello all. In order to help Alex answer his many queries for bus stands & turning points, I've decided to make this page as I too (and probably a few others) find it very intriguing where bus can and can't turn, where bus stands are hidden, Nowadays it's usually a street or an 'official' paved bus stand. I attach a 1971 photo showing the 'stand' for Bexley Hospital Photo from "Sunday Service" by Jim Blake Regent Transport Publishing. I remember seeing a photo of a RM doing a three point turn into a field(!!!!) somewhere to the north of LT land. I'll post it IF I can find it View AttachmentIf it's the photo I'm thinking of with an RM reversing into a field I think it's Noak Hill Pentowan on the 174. That Bexley Hospital photo brings back some memories. |
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Post by John tuthill on Nov 28, 2016 15:39:31 GMT
Nowadays it's usually a street or an 'official' paved bus stand. I attach a 1971 photo showing the 'stand' for Bexley Hospital Photo from "Sunday Service" by Jim Blake Regent Transport Publishing. I remember seeing a photo of a RM doing a three point turn into a field(!!!!) somewhere to the north of LT land. I'll post it IF I can find it View Attachment
That Bexley Hospital photo brings back some memories. Sid, yes thanks for that, but I've Still to find the photo! |
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Post by snowman on Nov 28, 2016 15:51:14 GMT
I saw a 213 exit from Birkenhead Avenue stand on Sat 20th although the turn is known as London Road Kingston
In all my years at Kingston, first time I have seen a bus use the stand there.
The official destination display is Norbiton Church for this turn which is confusing as the buses finish at Manor Gate Road stop for this stand (I say confusing as a new intermediate stop was added few years ago near Norbiton Church, called Gordon Road) and there is a stop called Norbiton Church on 213 neither of which are served when buses use this turn.
Not sure how many other turns officially require a destination to be displayed which is 2 stops beyond where passengers have to alight.
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Post by snoggle on Nov 28, 2016 21:19:14 GMT
If it's the photo I'm thinking of with an RM reversing into a field I think it's Noak Hill Pentowan on the 174.
That Bexley Hospital photo brings back some memories. Sid, yes thanks for that, but I've Still to find the photo! This one perchance? (photo credit - Bowroaduk on Flickr) 
London Transport route 174 at Noak Hill by bowroaduk, on Flickr |
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Post by John tuthill on Nov 28, 2016 21:34:00 GMT
Oh Thank you. Saved me looking thru' all my books |
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Other interesting stands I think, which are only there for curtailment purposes, are Yeading / Willowtree Lane, Bushey Heath / Alpine and Bath Road / Nobel Drive. The former looks odd because the stand sits up a little side road and I've never seen anything turn there.Bath Road / Nobel Drive is on blinds as Heathrow North and is used often enough
I've always wondered how the 98 gets to the stand in Coverdale road (just off willesden lane) and whether it is an official turning point. I'm happy to be corrected but don't some blinds say WILLESDEN LANE Christchurch?
