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Post by YX10FFN on Mar 22, 2022 17:40:18 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Mar 22, 2022 20:29:05 GMT
On top of that, it must be mentioned that this money is only enough to get the bridge into a usable state for cyclists without them having to disembark. According to the ITV News Report this evening, there is an estimate of between £100m & £160m to get the bridge open to motor traffic. All this money being wasted when it would of been cheaper at this point to knock the bleeding thing down and rebuild it even taking into account it's listed status |
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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 22, 2022 20:37:12 GMT
On top of that, it must be mentioned that this money is only enough to get the bridge into a usable state for cyclists without them having to disembark. According to the ITV News Report this evening, there is an estimate of between £100m & £160m to get the bridge open to motor traffic. All this money being wasted when it would of been cheaper at this point to knock the bleeding thing down and rebuild it even taking into account it's listed status I would be interested to see some new traffic studies to determine whether Hammersmith Bridge is needed or if it could converted permanently to pedestrian/cycle with retractable bollards for emergency services usage. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 22, 2022 21:12:05 GMT
On top of that, it must be mentioned that this money is only enough to get the bridge into a usable state for cyclists without them having to disembark. According to the ITV News Report this evening, there is an estimate of between £100m & £160m to get the bridge open to motor traffic. All this money being wasted when it would of been cheaper at this point to knock the bleeding thing down and rebuild it even taking into account it's listed status I do wish TFL, the local councils and central Government would make a firm agreement about the final timeline and cost/funding. Otherwise could end up like the Croxley Rail link where so much money is spent then abandoned. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 22, 2022 22:33:53 GMT
On top of that, it must be mentioned that this money is only enough to get the bridge into a usable state for cyclists without them having to disembark. According to the ITV News Report this evening, there is an estimate of between £100m & £160m to get the bridge open to motor traffic. All this money being wasted when it would of been cheaper at this point to knock the bleeding thing down and rebuild it even taking into account it's listed status I would be interested to see some new traffic studies to determine whether Hammersmith Bridge is needed or if it could converted permanently to pedestrian/cycle with retractable bollards for emergency services usage. At the very least, it should have bus access but I’d imagine it would still be needed to take the pressure off the two nearby bridges & the South Circular from all traffic |
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Post by YX10FFN on Mar 23, 2022 1:56:53 GMT
On top of that, it must be mentioned that this money is only enough to get the bridge into a usable state for cyclists without them having to disembark. According to the ITV News Report this evening, there is an estimate of between £100m & £160m to get the bridge open to motor traffic. All this money being wasted when it would of been cheaper at this point to knock the bleeding thing down and rebuild it even taking into account it's listed status I would be interested to see some new traffic studies to determine whether Hammersmith Bridge is needed or if it could converted permanently to pedestrian/cycle with retractable bollards for emergency services usage. The impact on traffic in the surrounding areas means it is most certainly needed. Luckily Chiswick Bridge was built with multiple wide lanes in the 30s which can cater for heavy traffic on a day to day basis, but other roads such as Fulham Palace Road can't cope at the moment. Arterial roads such as the A4 are noticeably more volatile. Putney traffic was bad enough and Hammersmith Bridge being closed hasn't helped. The only solution here for me that would properly benefit the local and wider area is to extensively repair and fully reopen the bridge to cars and buses, not just kick the can down the road with minor improvements like H&F have been doing for decades that got us in this mess. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 23, 2022 8:31:20 GMT
I would be interested to see some new traffic studies to determine whether Hammersmith Bridge is needed or if it could converted permanently to pedestrian/cycle with retractable bollards for emergency services usage. The impact on traffic in the surrounding areas means it is most certainly needed. Luckily Chiswick Bridge was built with multiple wide lanes in the 30s which can cater for heavy traffic on a day to day basis, but other roads such as Fulham Palace Road can't cope at the moment. Arterial roads such as the A4 are noticeably more volatile. Putney traffic was bad enough and Hammersmith Bridge being closed hasn't helped. The only solution here for me that would properly benefit the local and wider area is to extensively repair and fully reopen the bridge to cars and buses, not just kick the can down the road with minor improvements like H&F have been doing for decades that got us in this mess. I don’t doubt there is more traffic. I tend to only go through Putney on a weekend and traffic can be quite bad. I am talking about a study to determine how traffic patterns have changed since the bridge has closed, excluding Covid related traffic reductions, to see whether traffic is at a manageable level in the surrounding areas. But I think that it would be better to dismantle the existing bridge and move it somewhere else to become a pedestrianised crossing with a new bridge built in its place. It is simply not fit for purpose, even with extensive repairs. |
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Post by YX10FFN on Mar 23, 2022 14:07:07 GMT
The impact on traffic in the surrounding areas means it is most certainly needed. Luckily Chiswick Bridge was built with multiple wide lanes in the 30s which can cater for heavy traffic on a day to day basis, but other roads such as Fulham Palace Road can't cope at the moment. Arterial roads such as the A4 are noticeably more volatile. Putney traffic was bad enough and Hammersmith Bridge being closed hasn't helped. The only solution here for me that would properly benefit the local and wider area is to extensively repair and fully reopen the bridge to cars and buses, not just kick the can down the road with minor improvements like H&F have been doing for decades that got us in this mess. It is simply not fit for purpose, even with extensive repairs. You're definitely correct there. There should be a vehicular river crossing at some point between Chiswick and Putney Bridges, but I'd support a conversion of Hammersmith Bridge to pedestrian/cycle if a new bridge was built close by. However the cost of refurbishing the existing bridge and building a whole new bridge might be prohibitive. |
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Post by COBO on Mar 23, 2022 18:42:11 GMT
I wonder if the 533 could be around after the Bridge reopened as it does provide unique links.
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Post by Busboy105 on Mar 23, 2022 22:20:20 GMT
I wonder if the 533 could be around after the Bridge reopened as it does provide unique links. Probably not as it was created because of the closure |
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Post by COBO on Mar 23, 2022 22:36:16 GMT
I wonder if the 533 could be around after the Bridge reopened as it does provide unique links. Probably not as it was created because of the closure But people can walk across the bridge right now and it’s still running. |
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Post by redbus on Mar 23, 2022 22:46:49 GMT
It is simply not fit for purpose, even with extensive repairs. You're definitely correct there. There should be a vehicular river crossing at some point between Chiswick and Putney Bridges, but I'd support a conversion of Hammersmith Bridge to pedestrian/cycle if a new bridge was built close by. However the cost of refurbishing the existing bridge and building a whole new bridge might be prohibitive. We are supposedly a first world country which is going to spend well over £50 billion on HS2 and we can't afford to repair a bridge for £150 million? Of course we can afford to repair it, only those in power prefer to play politics. It is arguable that with better maintenance over the years we would not be in this situation and the bridge would still be open to motor traffic. No one seems to be holding those who go us into this mess to account. |
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Post by thelondonthing on Mar 24, 2022 1:19:59 GMT
Probably not as it was created because of the closure But people can walk across the bridge right now and it’s still running. The 533 is still running to serve those for whom walking across the bridge is more difficult. Of course, many people will choose the walk from Castelnau to the bridge, then across the bridge, and into Hammersmith - or vice versa - because it'll probably be a lot quicker than the 20, 30, 40... or even 60 minute trip on the 533, depending on the time of day. But there are many people for whom the walk across the bridge would be more challenging - for example, a parent with a couple of young kids in tow; someone doing the weekly shop in town; or an elderly or disabled person. For these people, and many others, the walk between Castelnau and Hammersmith would be far more daunting, perhaps even physically exhausting. When (if?) the bridge reopens to buses, there will be no real need for the 533 to continue. Its primary raison d'être - to connect the Barnes peninsula with Hammersmith - will be served much faster by the restoration of direct services across the bridge. I don't see that the route offers many valuable unique direct links that wouldn't be adequately served by requiring the relatively few passengers affected to use other existing services, even if this means changing buses. At a time when TfL is looking down the back of the sofa for spare change to fund the bus network in the long term, I can't see any justification for the 533 continuing once buses are able to cross at Hammersmith again. Far too much of the 533 is either duplicated or closely served by other routes - and the Barnes peninsula isn't exactly short of other routes (especially for such a small geographical area, with such a low population). |
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Post by YX10FFN on Mar 24, 2022 3:51:29 GMT
But people can walk across the bridge right now and it’s still running. The 533 is still running to serve those for whom walking across the bridge is more difficult. Of course, many people will choose the walk from Castelnau to the bridge, then across the bridge, and into Hammersmith - or vice versa - because it'll probably be a lot quicker than the 20, 30, 40... or even 60 minute trip on the 533, depending on the time of day. But there are many people for whom the walk across the bridge would be more challenging - for example, a parent with a couple of young kids in tow; someone doing the weekly shop in town; or an elderly or disabled person. For these people, and many others, the walk between Castelnau and Hammersmith would be far more daunting, perhaps even physically exhausting. When (if?) the bridge reopens to buses, there will be no real need for the 533 to continue. Its primary raison d'être - to connect the Barnes peninsula with Hammersmith - will be served much faster by the restoration of direct services across the bridge. I don't see that the route offers many valuable unique direct links that wouldn't be adequately served by requiring the relatively few passengers affected to use other existing services, even if this means changing buses. At a time when TfL is looking down the back of the sofa for spare change to fund the bus network in the long term, I can't see any justification for the 533 continuing once buses are able to cross at Hammersmith again. Far too much of the 533 is either duplicated or closely served by other routes - and the Barnes peninsula isn't exactly short of other routes (especially for such a small geographical area, with such a low population). I think its fairly safe to say the 533 will cease to run once the bridge eventually reopens to buses. With regards to where demand for the 533 comes from, we also have to take into account Mortlake, which had a heavy passenger flow into Hammersmith pre bridge closure by way of 209 and 419. Mortlake is too far from the bridge for a simple walk, and the 533 is more convenient and accessible than getting the 419 and walking over the bridge. Now the bridge is open for pedestrians I am seeing much more short-hop usage of routes like the 33 and 209 up to the south side of the bridge with people then walking over, meaning TFL's Castelnau terminus is somewhat serving its purpose, but the 533 still provides the option of a direct bus link which still sees comfortable patronage. |
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Post by bn12cny on Aug 17, 2022 5:52:19 GMT
With the reduction of the 209 to every 30 minutes when in the hey day running every 2-3 minutes in the rush hour I feel as being local to the area for many years there’s a lot of potential for the route to serve many places which has no bus service.
Let’s start and keep the terminus as it is and do the following....
Leave Avondale Road and turn left into Mortlake High Street, left into Sheen Lane and serve Mortlake Train Station, across Upper Richmond Road and (now this will get interesting here me out!) follow Sheen Lane so you are very close to Richmond Park, turn left into Vicarage Road and follow into Hertford Avenue (many schools and elderly people around here and unserved by a bus however can get a little tight but manageable if traffic calming measures were introduced - got a coach around here). Main reason route this way, easy bus access for Richmond Park, Schools and Elderly People has an option for a bus.
Turn right into Upper Richmond Road then left into Priest Bridge and follow into White Hart Lane (yet again unserved Bus Routes and will be a demand for it) too of White Hart Lane turn right to line off route.
The only negative I can see is to navigate two railway level crossings however maybe can check when the trains are due and work out when the level crossings are down so you can design a timetable that will miss this bottleneck
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