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Post by overgroundcommuter on Jan 17, 2019 0:05:09 GMT
I have previously been in favour of extending the 12, however I fear that the reliability of the route would go down due to traffic along the South Circular, along with the lack of stand space as Church Rise, which used to be used for Route 194 (and 171) was returned for residential use. It's a long, long time since i went through Forest Hill, other than on a train, but the stand for the 176, 185 and 12 shorts used to be described as the Railway Telegraph pub. and was a few yards away from Stanstead Road, nearer to the station than the 171 and 194 terminus. It probably doesn't exist any longer - it always had its own stop flag. Is there nowhere else where buses could stand? When buses do shorts to Forest Hill, then tend to park in London Road where the bus stop towards Dulwich is. They'll still use Church Rise to drive down and return, but can't park there. |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Jan 16, 2019 23:39:02 GMT
If extra buses are needed between Peckham and beyond Dulwich Library, towards Forest Hill, then I'd go for a re-extension of the 12 to the latter point (but not the whole service.) After all, the 12 is a mere shadow of its former self, and the length of the route shouldn't be an issue. It would also placate the householders near the Dulwich terminus who are never happy with the number of buses turning there. I have previously been in favour of extending the 12, however I fear that the reliability of the route would go down due to traffic along the South Circular, along with the lack of stand space as Church Rise, which used to be used for Route 194 (and 171) was returned for residential use. |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Jan 16, 2019 21:28:54 GMT
The new Forest Hill Pools stop in Dartmouth Road towards Forest Hill. The Dartmouth Road/Thorpewood Avenue stop is a short walk away. The other stop further down Dartmouth Road towards Sydenham is fine.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Jan 16, 2019 21:14:20 GMT
Shame, I know a few places with 24hr/normal DD routes going around housing areas and they seem fine.. maybe the 316 could get deckers... but of course residental issues and 295 snatched the decks Dulwich Village: the site of London's only private toll road. Dulwich Village: where Margaret and Denis Thatcher were planning to retire to. Dulwich Village (and much of West Dulwich): where the writ of Dulwich College Estates still holds enormous sway, both in law and in other, more nebulous ways. i speak as executor of my late brother-in=law's estate and my attempts to assist his widow, my sister, with her endeavour to run a children's nursery in part of a residential property that was otherwise her home. The influence of these people should not be under-estimated! This is one of the reasons why The Grove Tavern pub has been left derelict for the last few years. In an ideal world, the P4 would be diverted away from Dulwich Village to allow deckers via East Dulwich Grove and Lordship Lane. Going back on topic: 185 should be 24/7, providing a 30 min service. This would give 4bph between Camberwell Green and Forest Hill (176) while providing overnight connections to Lewisham and Catford which currently overnight requires changing buses in Peckham or Camberwell in this area. Extra buses on the 197 between Peckham and Forest Hill during shopping hours. This would reduce the loads on the 176 and 185 for which 197 passengers get on after the 12 if there's a long wait at Dulwich Library. Sunday service increased to 15 mins along the whole length of the route. 356 increased to every 15 mins Mon-Sat, 20 Sunday. 122 divided into two separate routes. One running between Crystal Palace and Lewisham, the other would start from Plumstead, run to Lewisham as now then along Rushey Green to Catford or Catford Garage. There would be the loss of direct connections from Crystal Palace, Sydenham, Forest Hill and Brockley Rise to Lee, Eltham Green, Woolwich & Plumstead, but the hopper should give enough time to change between the two routes. Diverting the Plumstead end to Catford would give extra capacity for passengers travelling to Woolwich along Rushey Green, reliving the 54. |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Dec 31, 2018 0:33:32 GMT
Considering that it's the gap between Christmas and New Year, the West End has been really busy with even more shoppers and tourists than usual. Marble Arch tube had a one way system when I was up Oxford Street on Saturday afternoon with exit onto the northern Oxford Street entrance and entry on the corner of Park Lane. Tottenham Court Road despite the revamp and large corridors to the Central line was heaving as well. Now imagine if the road was closed and those people could actually walk along the street instead of dodging cabs and the remaining routes? Nope, bring back the buses while everyone eventually gets put off and goes to Westfield at either end of the Central line instead! Which just goes to show the tube can't manage either if somewhere like TCR which has had the best part of £800m spent on it is struggling to cope. Imagine if Crossrail WAS open! TCR would probably be jammed solid. These station capacity schemes are supposed to give many years "headroom" before filling up, not months. At platform level at TCR and Marble Arch, the Central line is fine, which makes me think that the design at TCR is to deliberately slow people to get to there in the first place to reduce the flow. Remember the Elizabeth line platforms will be longer and can handle more passengers than the existing Central line over that section, which may relieve some of the issues I experienced this weekend. |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Dec 31, 2018 0:22:22 GMT
Considering that it's the gap between Christmas and New Year, the West End has been really busy with even more shoppers and tourists than usual. Marble Arch tube had a one way system when I was up Oxford Street on Saturday afternoon with exit onto the northern Oxford Street entrance and entry on the corner of Park Lane.
Tottenham Court Road despite the revamp and large corridors to the Central line was heaving as well.
Now imagine if the road was closed and those people could actually walk along the street instead of dodging cabs and the remaining routes? Nope, bring back the buses while everyone eventually gets put off and goes to Westfield at either end of the Central line instead!
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Dec 14, 2018 16:13:44 GMT
Routes 12, 40, 176, 185, 197 for Dulwich Park by getting off at Dulwich Library and walking down Eynella Road.
Routes 12, 37, 63, 197, 363 for Nunhead by getting off at Kings On the Rye and walk up Nunhead Lane.
Routes 42, 136 and 436 for East Street Market and Walworth Road via the Aylesbury Estate.
All routes that terminate or go through the Elephant for Lambeth North, Imperial War Museum and Waterloo.
Routes 63, 363 for Old Kent Road Asda by getting off at Trafalgar Avenue.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Dec 13, 2018 22:10:41 GMT
363 for Dulwich Park by getting off at Lordship Lane/Wood Vale and walk along Lordship Lane and Dulwich Common.
356 for Dulwich Park by getting off at Sydenham Rise, then walk along either Sydenham Hill or London Road to Lordship Lane and Dulwich Common.
Routes 12, 37, 63, 197, 343, 363 etc to Queens Road Peckham by changing at or near Peckham Bus Station.
Routes 36 and 343 for New Cross Gate Station.
Route 321 for New Cross Bus Garage.
Routes 3, 201 and P13 for Dulwich Village and Dulwich Park (3, 201) by changing at West Dulwich Station and walk along Thurlow Park Road and Gallery Road.
Route P13 for West Norwood.
Route 432 for Penge by walking along Oakfield Road from Anerley Station, also close by for the 157.
Route 75 for Sydenham Station by getting off outside Sydenham Post Office.
Various Greenwich routes for Island Gardens and vice versa via the Greenwich Foot Tunnel.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Dec 13, 2018 21:58:12 GMT
I agree, I always have thought of myself as living as part of Herne Hill, however I usually say "Brixton" as a lot of people outside of the bus community have no idea where Herne Hill is. I think the boundary you've got is pretty right. I always have thought Brixton started From Effra Parade and Dalberg Road. Would you say you fall under Tulse Hill or Brixton giving you'll fall under SW2? Interestingly, when I got a receipt from the M&S inside the hospital, it also stated it's address as "M&S Brixton", which puzzled me, as they have an M&S in central Brixton with the exact same store name. I suspect that's because it's managed by M&S Brixton. No, the M&S in Kings is a franchise. |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Dec 13, 2018 17:52:27 GMT
176 and 197 for Crystal Palace, by walking through Crystal Palace Park.
176, 197 and 227 for Anerley Station by walking from Penge High Street along Oakfield Road.
176, 197, 227 and 354 for Penge East by walking from Penge High Street along Crampton Road, Kingswood Road or Mosslea Road to Station Road.
53 for Blackheath Village.
75 for Forest Hill Station by getting off at Mayow Road and walk along Perry Vale.
352 for Beckenham Junction.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Dec 13, 2018 12:01:11 GMT
The 201 doesn't enter the are known as Brixton but it get's very close and it's only a 5 min walk from Herne Hill to the edge of Brixton which is where Brixton Water Lane runs along. The 137 & 417 runs along the boundary of the Brixton Hill area in not one but two different places - at the top of Brixton Hill at the A23/A205 junction and along King's Avenue. The 355 runs along the boundary along King's Avenue only. Interestingly, according to Google, when you type in the area "Brixton", my local road and a couple of roads away from where the 201 terminates, falls under "Brixton" despite having an "SE24" postcode. It's all about different boundaries, I guess. Google also considers King's College Hospital as "Brixton" despite being as far away from Brixton as possible in Denmark Hill! |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Dec 13, 2018 2:01:01 GMT
Another 356 one, serves Upper and Lower Sydenham and part of Sydenham Road, but doesn't serve the main shopping area. It's also pretty close to Dulwich as well (10 min walk or so from Sydenham Rise). Route 63 terminates at Honor Oak - Forest Hill Tavern, but doesn't stop outside Honor Oak Park station, approx 10 mins walk. Routes 122, 171 and 172 are close to Honor Oak Park station, but a 5 min walk from Brockley Rise. Routes 37 and 42 don't directly serve Dulwich Village. A 5/10 min walk from North Dulwich station. P4 doesn't serve West Dulwich station, but close enough. Must admit in all the years I knew and used West Dulwich station I never considered the P4 as going anywhere near it - I guess it all depends on perceptions.  Indeed, although I'd probably get off the bus at Dulwich Picture Gallery and walk along Gallery Road instead of the stop at College Road by Dulwich College. Another one (at a stretch) is the P4 and 42 at North Dulwich Station to Herne Hill. A walk down Half Moon Lane. (Yes, I know the 37 goes there direct, but where's the fun in that!) Also the 202/363 for Sydenham Hill station. Get off at the Wells Park Road stop, then walk down Crescent Wood Road to the path that connects to the station on College Road. 450 is also a possibility, but not sure about the pedestrian connections from the Kingswood Estate? |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Dec 12, 2018 17:02:14 GMT
Another 356 one, serves Upper and Lower Sydenham and part of Sydenham Road, but doesn't serve the main shopping area. It's also pretty close to Dulwich as well (10 min walk or so from Sydenham Rise).
Route 63 terminates at Honor Oak - Forest Hill Tavern, but doesn't stop outside Honor Oak Park station, approx 10 mins walk. Routes 122, 171 and 172 are close to Honor Oak Park station, but a 5 min walk from Brockley Rise.
Routes 37 and 42 don't directly serve Dulwich Village. A 5/10 min walk from North Dulwich station. P4 doesn't serve West Dulwich station, but close enough.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Nov 28, 2018 1:46:20 GMT
Lordship Lane, East Dulwich is closed for resurfacing works until Thursday 29th November, except late evenings until 0800 daily.
Routes 40, 176, 185 are diverted as follows:
Goose Green, left to East Dulwich Road, right Peckham Rye, right Barry Road, left Lordship Lane, then line of route.
Route P13 is as follows:
Goose Green, left to East Dulwich Road, right Peckham Rye, ahead Forest Hill Road, right Wood Vale, right Melford Road to line of route.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Nov 23, 2018 0:31:41 GMT
Those from Penge, Anerley and South Norwood who attend Croydon College and really don't have two feet to walk from West Croydon to Croydon College will be able to get the 197 to Croydon College instead of the 75.
The proposals aren't as extreme as feared by many, it's a sensible swap of bus stops for some, while Tramlink can take some of the slack of routes that are terminating at the edge of Croydon. Changing from the 197 at East Croydon for example for George Street is perfectly fine. Those passengers from Forest Hill, Sydenham, Penge and Norwood Junction are likely to use the Overground or the 75 to West Croydon which takes them closer to the shops than the 197.
With Westfield works imminent, the demand for buses along Wellesley Road will diminish with the Whitgift closed.
I'll agree though the Fairfield Halls is a grotty place to wait for a bus, I've waited many a time over the years for a bus on a windy and rainy day.
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