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Post by enviroPB on Sept 20, 2020 15:43:10 GMT
N5 and the N20 are the only night routes that doesn’t follow their daytime counterparts. The N550 and the N551 are the only night routes that don’t have a daytime counterpart (I basically mean there’s no 550 and 551.) Add the N97 to that list
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Post by enviroPB on Sept 19, 2020 23:28:09 GMT
Which route has the most consistent timetable? The 146 operates once an hour for all of the time it operates. The 422 also is 8-12 minutes from 8am-1am. I think a quick reference to the archive books is needed when I mention the RV1. Before the London Bridge station expansion works happened, the RV1 ran every 10 minutes all day every day.
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Post by enviroPB on Sept 17, 2020 11:53:31 GMT
If I remember correctly the original buses that were on the 368 were swapped with the buses on the 150 due to the branding. I think only a few of the original 150 batch were refurbished. By the way is the branding still on the 167 or has that been removed? Yes they swapped the buses with the 150 when the route got branded in 2017 and only half of the 150's original T's that was new to the route in 2010 are refurbished. All the 167 buses had their branding removed and currently the 150 & 462 are the only Barkingside routes to still have their route branding. Still upsets me thinking of T170-180 being swapped for the 150's raggedy T180-193 on the 368. Replacing buses with kickdown over a section like the Ripple Road flyover (the railway bridge, not Thatched House) with the 150's sluggish, limited buses?! It's taking the pee to be honest.
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Post by enviroPB on Sept 12, 2020 17:17:58 GMT
I think the N205 should be extended to Walthamstow to be honest via the 97 to give Leyton Station and Hoe Street another night bus which for Walthamstow I think could be very popular? What are your thoughts? Its terminus at Leyton, Downsell Road seems to be a little pointless in my opinion and it serving Stratford City is also a bit useless in my opinion as Westfield is shut and no night routes there, it could of just finished in Stratford Bus Station to at least interchange with other bus routes and connect to the Central, DLR and Jubilee Lines. As Dan has already said, there'd be three routes from Leyton to Walthamstow if the N205 was extended; the 69 and N26 cope perfectly fine. An even better idea would be to send it via the 158 up to Chingford Mount or Walthamstow via the 58 if the former is deemed too long. The N205 is barely over an hour long, so a circa 10 minute extension to Walthamstow bus station wouldn't be too impactful on journey times and associated costs.
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Post by enviroPB on Sept 11, 2020 2:11:46 GMT
Route needs 24hrs 123 Ilford To Wood Green it’s busy most of the night Make it Full 24Hrs Route 145 Leytonstone to Dagenham ASDA 24hrs Route there is no 24hr Link Dagenham and Night worker’s At Asda need Transport over Night 174 Make it 24hrs Route some parts Dagenham Marsh way area Scrap N86 Replace with 174hrs New N86 Romford Station to Aldgate [br ]Another New Night Service Chingford Station make 97hrs Route Bar the 97, I agree pretty much 100% on this. Once the 365 gets its Rainham terminus swapped with the 165's, 174N journeys can terminate & commense hat South Street, doing a loop of the Marsh Way stops for the Tesco warehouse workers; assuming the CEME stand cannot be accessed at night. I'd make a N145 and extend it beyond Leytonstone to Walthamstow Central, to make the route more useful and connected northbound past Ilford. The N86 if ever expelled out of Harold Hill, I'd thought it would do really well being extended down to Aldgate and a slight right over to Liverpool Street. I know passengers already have the N8 but they'd likely not have to change buses if they are looking for a Crossrail station east of there if the N86 serves Liverpool Street. The 123N speaks for itself; it's a really valuable link from north-east to north London at any time, day or night. It's just that there are limited options at night. When I spoke to a TfL Rail staff member on the first night of the 123N, him saying a journey to Tottenham that takes him 30 mins on the 123 takes him up to 70 minutes kinda dictated what shifts he could take & that the 123 running all night would allow him to work more flexibly at night. That's just one example of the many punters who use this weekend night route so much, that it's consistently the first weekend night route for usage.
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Post by enviroPB on Sept 3, 2020 19:58:42 GMT
Eastlondoner62 @dan Considering this is your area - I've always thought why the 304 is particularly needed? Couldn't the 101 get a frequency increase and then get withdrawn between Gallions Reach SP & Gallions Reach Station, with it then running to Custom House. The 262 would then still serve East Beckton. The 104 could then become a Stratford - Gallions Reach route where it is extended from Beckton to Gallions Reach. I never actually thought about that, however I would imagine should the 262 remain they'd not send the 104 to Gallions Reach. TfL already think that stretch is over-bussed and they certainly wouldn't put another route going to Stratford there. To be honest I wonder if the east London Crossrail changes will be implemented now! The 241 which was part of those proposals is now part of the south Newham changes and will likely be extended to Silvertown.
I always thought the 304 from Custom House was a bit of a waste and would just be another bus to East Ham!
We would end up with :
147 - direct via Barking Road 300 - via Beckton
304 - Via Newham General
474 - Via North Woolwich
Hopefully we will have another bus review before the Elizabeth line opens in 2022???
The issue Custom House has is that it's in a very weird location that could potentially be made really useful should the correct bus links be placed there. And as you say every bus in the area should not be ending up in the same place. The 304 does seem like a pointless route, however will be vital if the 104 is split up and is sent to Beckton due to the overcrowding the 104 faces elsewhere. However I'm not sure how much of this crowd is going specifically to Lonsdale Avenue and how much of the crowd along High Street South wants to go to Upton Park and Stratford instead. Should the crowd want to go Upton Park and Stratford then the 304 won't be of much use. I t'll just cause bus overcrowding down Lonsdale Avenue which struggles with the 104 as it is. Might sound a bit selfish as I live in Barking However I genuinely link the links from Barking are pretty pathetic going East, you just have the extremely overloaded 5 and 238 where the 5 is one of the busiest routes in London and the 238 has one of the highest usage per mile levels in London too. Quite easy to get both routes heavily loaded leaving Barking. The 366 is another overcrowded mess and that just does a tour de Beckton which is the next town over. What I think would help is just creating a link from the Barking and maybe even Dagenham area to Custom House. The obvious candidate here would be the 173, however it's far too convoluted to extend that route to Custom House considering how much of a nightmare the rest of the route is so maybe a new route would be in order there. I would also by that point leave the 104 as it is. Assuming the 262/101 gets cut back from Gallions Reach. Route xxx - Single Decker route Barking Station Barking Town Centre Quay Road Beckton Showcase Cinema Beckton Triangle Retail Park Gallions Reach Shopping Park Royal Albert Way (might need a couple of new stops placed here) Prince Regent Station Custom House Station Canning Town Station Poplar All Saints Obviously this route has its fair share of potential issues along the way. The way through East Beckton could end up being an over-bussing but it will only be a few stops and presuming the 101/262 get withdrawn from the area you should be able to justify it. Royal Albert Way I felt has long needed a bus service, while the road might seem barren there are quite a few houses walking distance from the road and I am sure people would appreciate a bus service down there. The Barking to Custom House link is something I feel could relieve at least the 238, the 238 has a huge flow of people using it so that they can get away with a Zone 1-3 travel card. Should Custom House open and it's in easy access people may prefer to use that route to get to the station. Oof, I cannot accept that line. The 104 is the only route around the Lonsdale Avenue area and it gets pegged in the peaks... in normal times anyway. Having a best friend at secondary school who lived on Newham Way, it was the only bus any resident had easy access to and obviously going to a big rail interchange such as Stratford has pretty much centralised commuter journeys from Lonsdale Avenue to Stratford; in which causes capacity issues further along the route around Portway. Funnily without seeing this post on Monday, I've been trying to figure out the Lonsdale Avenue conundrum during the bank holiday weekend. I find little disturbance in my head of the 101 amalgamating the 304's routing to Custom House from Beckton Alps. In fact apart from the 101's 4bph at evenings compared to the 304's proposed 3bph, I believe the frequencies match up perfectly! Associated changes would be very minimal, just a slight jacking up in frequencies on the 262 and 474 to compensate for the loss of the 101 in Beckton. Should Crossrail ever open, I believe the residents of Lonsdale Avenue will love another rail interchange alternative, especially one as luxuriously quick as the Lizzie line.
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Post by enviroPB on Aug 30, 2020 12:57:41 GMT
Is this a old idea that have that is an N183 but my one is a bit different The 1st N183 Golders Green to Mount Vernon Hospital via H11 but the 2nd way that the route can is Golders Green to Ruislip via H13 or 114 This Link Ruislip and Harrow at Night Another way to have a night link between Harrow and Ruislip could be to make the 114 24hr weekly. An idea I did have recently was a N114 from Mill Hill Broadway to Uxbridge which would take the U1’s routing from Ruislip to Uxbridge. It would serve as a handy link between Uxbridge, Ruislip and Harrow at night going some way to providing a night service for that branch of the Met line. The problem is I’m not sure the demand is there at night, the 114 largely passes through residential streets and so I’m sceptical of the need for a night service. Of course there are other possibilities for how you could provide a night service to those areas, if needed, perhaps a night route more closely following the Met line may work better. Another thing members have mentioned is that the Uxbridge branch of the Piccadilly line has no night service, something which could be looked at though the specifics of it are another question. Many of the stations along that branch are served by other night route: N207 serves Ealing Common, N83 serves Alperton, N18 goes very close to Sudbury Town and South Harrow has the N140. I don’t think a route which follows the line is needed as that would prove unattractive to people living further up the branch as a slow route to reach Central London. Some sort of night route serving the A40 to offer a night link to people living in areas such as the Haymills and Greystoke estates could work, though I for one am a big believer in a night service on the West Ruislip branch of the Central Line. I think a N114 to Uxbridge isn't that far fetched for there to be no patronage west of Ruislip. That whole area around Ruislip and Eastcote should have a nightly service as is, but I do agree that the 114 does see a good residential mix to its routing. I'm sure shift workers would appreciate a link from Harrow to Uxbridge as well as uni revellers club hopping. It's not the sole reason but I have been told before the 222 went 24 hour that a lot of Brunel students go down to Kingston for its nightlife, so was a strong case for Uxbridge to gain another night route. I believe the same can happen for an extended N114.
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Post by enviroPB on Aug 26, 2020 6:39:55 GMT
Does Metroline have any new buses waiting arrival? Cause I saw on the M40 on the way to work last night and saw EvoSetis with LED screens. To my knowledge, there's no VMHs of that type in their fleet.
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Post by enviroPB on Aug 26, 2020 1:39:31 GMT
I was not born in 1997, but one question I have is why so many night routes serve/terminate at Trafalgar Square? It is not the most booming of places, and I imagine the stands during the night must be all over the place and filled to the top. Routes like the N279 which go all the way to Trafalgar Square, I don’t really see the need for it go to any way past Tottenham Court Road. I guess stand space is one consideration. The other being that night life would be generally centred around soho / Piccadilly Circus / Leicester Square / Covent Garden / strand / Mayfair - so Trafalgar Square is a nice hub for interconnections and interchange. Plus maybe someone thought that distances in London being measured from Trafalgar Square makes it symbolic! Including the Whitehall routes, there are 15 night routes terminating at Trafalgar Square/Whitehall that share stand spaces of about 10 buses! I find it mystical how buses find the space to stand cause it's a free for all round the streets of Whitehall, but most of the buildings round there are [government] offices so there's no real disturbance at that time of night. For clarity, I'm talking about routes N5, N18, N20, N21, N26, N29, N41, N53, N89, N91, N97, N113, N199, N343 and N381. Routes N550 and N551 officialy stand on Charles II Street and Haymarket respectively.
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Post by enviroPB on Aug 25, 2020 19:45:58 GMT
Actually what’s the shortest 24 hour / weekend route? And the longest? Shortest route has already been mentioned by others, from memory the W7 will pip the win with a 12-13 minute journey time. Looking on LBR it seems the 34, 123 and 145 are tied at 19 kilometres (12 miles). Having ridden all these weekend night routes I know the longest route by journey time is the 145 at 50 minutes. And for those talking about the 37, had a look for you guys to see if it's the longest 24 hour route to not serve central London. It comes joint 4th with the 108. Third is the 222 at 17km (11m), joint seconds are the 64 and 281 at 18 km (12m) and the first is the 285 at 20km (12m). Needed edit: seen redexpress' post and I must concede I was wrong. *personal hate for the 111 intensifies*
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Post by enviroPB on Aug 25, 2020 17:52:18 GMT
Is the Northern Line the only one that follow the hole route by Bus like you from Edgware you can get the N5 or N113 to Trafalgar Square then N155 to Morden and from High Barnet to Morden using N20 to Trafalgar Square then N155 to Morden Is there other tube routes that you can think of that you can follow the whole route I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Docklands night routes yet. The Woolwich branch of the DLR is mostly covered by the N551 up to Canning Town* and the 474 up to King George V. Woolwich has no bus link of any kind to Bank but the N1 & N53 do go into central London which is a good compromise. *Westferry isn't technically served by the N551 as is Shadwell, but it runs within close walking distance.
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Post by enviroPB on Aug 4, 2020 11:39:03 GMT
For East London, walking the 376 from East Ham to Beckton Bus Station is way quicker than riding on the 376 end to end. Newham in general seems to be rife for these sorts of routes. You could quite possibly walk from Manor Park to Stratford and beat the 104 too, oh and once the 325 is extended to Beckton Park you'll probably be able to walk that as well. There's a few routes in East where you can probably partially beat them. With the 241 you could probably get off at the Balaam St/Barking Road junction and walk to Hermit Road. With the 62 you could probably get off at the Lodge Avenue flyover and walk and beat the bus to Gascoigne Estate. With the 366 you might just about be able to get off at Sainsburys and beat it by walking to Beckton Station but I don't think you'll be able to do that with the 262 due to the fact it doesn't go via Cyprus to take time. If I need to go to Beckton and it's not to fetch the DLR, I wouldn't entertain a sightseeing trip of Beckton on the 366. Just in the past fortnight I hopped off at Showcase cinemas and failed to get the 173; was disappointed so I walked from there instead of Sainsbury's and I still beat that 366 driver!! Granted the driver departed almost immediately but I was happy that I was adding to life instead of having the life sucked out of me going round Beckton lool. Back in the days of the Boleyn ground still standing, match days would force my hand to walk from Newham Town Hall to Beckton Station. I'd normally do it in under 20, closer to 16 minutes if I didn't contend too much with other people & cars pulling out side roads. I can be confident in saying I've never taken a 376 end to end. The closest I've come are bus strikes years ago where the 376 was one of very few low PVR routes to run, so I'd take it from Beckton to Green Street or Katherine Road and walk home.
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Post by enviroPB on Jul 29, 2020 1:31:12 GMT
Talking about the straight line bit from the Heath upwards. But doesn't the 39 ruin it as that goes all the way from the bottom of Putney hill to the top and also the 14,37 and 85 turn off at the Heath It is, you're right. Apologies for the letting the ball slip on that one, I'm a fish out of the Putney waters it seems
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Post by enviroPB on Jul 29, 2020 0:00:23 GMT
Okay, time for a little more of a night bus injection! There are four 24 hour routes in London that wholly stay within one borough whilst operating: 64- Croydon 365- Havering 474- Newham E1 (Fri-Sat nights)- Ealing The N551 is the only through bus serving Aldgate Bus Station Putney Hill is the only bus corridor (road with more than two routes in this classification) to have the same bus routes serve it during the day and night; in the 14, 37, 85 and 93. I know people are keen to mention the 43/134 combo along Highgate and Muswell Hill, and it may be the longest distance served by 2 bus routes on their own, but I find staring at bus poles along Putney Hill so comforting as a night owl. Day routes: Route 276 is the only bus route to traverse Stratford Broadway but not serve it in some form. Ever since the gyratory was removed and stop E (Old Town Hall) disappeared, the 276 has only served one stop in Stratford towards Stoke Newington and that's in the bus station. The reason I talk about stop E: the 276 never called at the Tramway Avenue stop with the other West Ham Lane buses. It's caused me great annoyance in recent months when I catch the bus northbound around Canning Town and I have to get off a stop earlier and walk or wait for another bus. Most times it's the former cause I know TfL deliberately overlooked that detail due to the rather large journey times on the roure. And seeing as the 246 is the hot potato of this thread, I believe I'm right in saying the 246 is the only TfL route to stand in a car park but not seve it, at Westerham's Darnet car park. Can't think of any other country bumpkin route, as one BK driver has called 'em lool that stands in a car park but doesn't alight or pick up there. It's been driving me mad going to work in the south east of England and passing a 246 either terminating or commencing its service and seeing no stand in sight. Sorry I don't understand the bit about Putney Hill as the 39 and 424 both serve Putney Hill and aren't 24 hour routes. Talking about the straight line bit from the Heath upwards.
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Post by enviroPB on Jul 28, 2020 23:21:41 GMT
Okay, time for a little more of a night bus injection! There are four 24 hour routes in London that wholly stay within one borough whilst operating: 64- Croydon 365- Havering 474- Newham E1 (Fri-Sat nights)- Ealing The N551 is the only through bus serving Aldgate Bus Station Putney Hill is the only bus corridor (road with more than two routes in this classification) to have the same bus routes serve it during the day and night; in the 14, 37, 85 and 93. I know people are keen to mention the 43/134 combo along Highgate and Muswell Hill, and it may be the longest distance served by 2 bus routes on their own, but I find staring at bus poles along Putney Hill so comforting as a night owl. Day routes: Route 276 is the only bus route to traverse Stratford Broadway but not serve it in some form. Ever since the gyratory was removed and stop E (Old Town Hall) disappeared, the 276 has only served one stop in Stratford towards Stoke Newington and that's in the bus station. The reason I talk about stop E: the 276 never called at the Tramway Avenue stop with the other West Ham Lane buses. It's caused me great annoyance in recent months when I catch the bus northbound around Canning Town and I have to get off a stop earlier and walk or wait for another bus. Most times it's the former cause I know TfL deliberately overlooked that detail due to the rather large journey times on the roure. And seeing as the 246 is the hot potato of this thread, I believe I'm right in saying the 246 is the only TfL route to stand in a car park but not seve it, at Westerham's Darnet car park. Can't think of any other country bumpkin route, as one BK driver has called 'em lool that stands in a car park but doesn't alight or pick up there. It's been driving me mad going to work in the south east of England and passing a 246 either terminating or commencing its service and seeing no stand in sight.
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