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Post by sid on Mar 30, 2019 16:39:01 GMT
It would have been a happy reminder of 1981-84 had route 3 been extended back to Parliament Hill, even if route 88 were then cut back to Trafalgar Square or Whitehall. It might also have been fairer for Abellio having just lost route C2 (although its tender was expiring anyway). Would have been ideal if the 159, which is due to be cut away from Oxford Street, was to be extended via Great Portland Street and Warren Street to Camden Town. That would then maintain the bus link lost by the rerouting of the 88 and on the fluke reduce the work reduction within abellio. Nice idea but it's been deemed that one route is adequate between Oxford Circus and Camden Town and understandably so I think.
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 30, 2019 18:03:48 GMT
It was 15 bph when 5 bph were fine. I think the new freq is 8 so should be able to cope. Any reported problems today?
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Post by vjaska on Mar 30, 2019 22:22:52 GMT
Would have been ideal if the 159, which is due to be cut away from Oxford Street, was to be extended via Great Portland Street and Warren Street to Camden Town. That would then maintain the bus link lost by the rerouting of the 88 and on the fluke reduce the work reduction within abellio. Nice idea but it's been deemed that one route is adequate between Oxford Circus and Camden Town and understandably so I think. The 159 would be too long in that form given the 88 only runs far south as Clapham Common.
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Post by M1104 on Mar 31, 2019 0:57:18 GMT
The 159 would be too long in that form given the 88 only runs far south as Clapham Common. It however used to run up to Paddington which is not much difference in mileage to Camden Town via the old 88. On top of that other central London routes like the 13 and 176 would still be longer than the extended 159.
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Post by M1104 on Mar 31, 2019 1:06:34 GMT
Except that the two routings were not identical between those points, a link therefore lost via Warren Street and Mornington Crescent.
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Post by danorak on Apr 1, 2019 11:29:08 GMT
Not keeping a close eye on it but I thought Hampstead Road was soon to be affected by lots of HS2 work. I think you'd want to keep a route like the 159 out of that - it would probably end up having a temporary curtailment anyway.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 1, 2019 12:10:46 GMT
Not keeping a close eye on it but I thought Hampstead Road was soon to be affected by lots of HS2 work. I think you'd want to keep a route like the 159 out of that - it would probably end up having a temporary curtailment anyway. It already is to a limited extent. The southbound carriageway is somewhat narrow at the moment because of HS2 demolition works. The pavement is also closed over some distance. A large site compound is also in place with multi storey portacabins and some side road closures. It will get a lot worse when the main work to completely reconstruct the road bridge over Euston's approach tracks happens. That will take many years of work - I think there is something like 5 or 6 phases to the work the last time I looked at the HS2 plans (quite a long time ago so it may have changed). I would not be surprised to see bus services thinned out south of Camden Town / Mornington Crescent at some point. The 29 must be a prime candidate - unfortunately.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 1, 2019 12:35:36 GMT
Surprising the 134 is still planned to run down there. I'd have thought of it was planned to thin south of Mornington Crescent that would have been a candidate.
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Post by sid on Apr 1, 2019 13:23:20 GMT
Surprising the 134 is still planned to run down there. I'd have thought of it was planned to thin south of Mornington Crescent that would have been a candidate. That's what I thought, if its being cut back to Warren Street anyway it may as well be cut back to Mornington Crescent.
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Post by aaron1 on Apr 2, 2019 8:16:11 GMT
More need to extended like the 88 the 188 route extended to Chalk Farm Morrisons Via Warren Street Euston and Camden Town
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Post by rj131 on Apr 2, 2019 9:22:23 GMT
Surprising the 134 is still planned to run down there. I'd have thought of it was planned to thin south of Mornington Crescent that would have been a candidate. That's what I thought, if its being cut back to Warren Street anyway it may as well be cut back to Mornington Crescent. Curtailing the 134 to MC would be an even worse change than the 25 to S**tty Thameslink! Can’t imagine a proposal like that would go down well with the infamous Highgate Residents!
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Post by sid on Apr 2, 2019 9:28:16 GMT
That's what I thought, if its being cut back to Warren Street anyway it may as well be cut back to Mornington Crescent. Curtailing the 134 to MC would be an even worse change than the 25 to S**tty Thameslink! Can’t imagine a proposal like that would go down well with the infamous Highgate Residents! It's being cut back to Warren Street anyway.
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Post by sid on Apr 2, 2019 9:34:21 GMT
More need to extended like the 88 the 188 route extended to Chalk Farm Morrisons Via Warren Street Euston and Camden Town I have suggested previously merging the 1 and 168 into one route, a more efficient use of resources and road space.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 2, 2019 9:37:20 GMT
Curtailing the 134 to MC would be an even worse change than the 25 to S**tty Thameslink! Can’t imagine a proposal like that would go down well with the infamous Highgate Residents! It's being cut back to Warren Street anyway. If this silly logic is applied just cause it's being cut there means you can cut it back to Mornington Crescent which might as well be Camden Town, which might as well be Kentish Town, which might as well be Archway, which might as well be Highgate and the whole route might as well go!
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Post by vjaska on Apr 2, 2019 9:49:46 GMT
More need to extended like the 88 the 188 route extended to Chalk Farm Morrisons Via Warren Street Euston and Camden Town I have suggested previously merging the 1 and 168 into one route, a more efficient use of resources and road space. The problem is these sort of proposals are unworkable when reliability is factored in. Easy to run this sort of route as a running day special but as a regular routing, far more difficult in today’s climate. The days of long routes are long gone.
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