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Post by redbus on Nov 29, 2021 20:04:45 GMT
More politicking to try and get a favourable financial settlement form the government. Let's see if this kind of politicking will make a difference, I am not sure it will. Whatever settlement there is or isn't I doubt will change as a result of this sort of story. It is OK for the Mayor and TfL to cut bus routes such as the 13 by up to 40% as they did this month, but then make it sound like the end of the world if buses are cut by half that of 20% when someone else can be blamed. Quite frankly I do not support any of these cuts but I simply do not see any consistency in these stories.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 20:13:51 GMT
It's not definite at the moment
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 29, 2021 20:18:23 GMT
I can't see a whole line closing ... what I could possibly see is some of the quieter branches shutting down.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 20:47:59 GMT
I can't see a whole line closing ... what I could possibly see is some of the quieter branches shutting down. Woodford to Hainault on the Central line would be one to start off with, possibly the Chesham branch of the Met line too
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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 29, 2021 21:03:41 GMT
I don't get this hatred towards tube drivers when across the railway industry drivers/operators earn 50K+ this is the norm , and also in all other industries if people had enough ( as what's happened with the HGV industry lately ) and walked then maybe these companies would pay more money etc and offer better conditions this isn't about working 4 nights a year it's about letting management take the P once and then think they can do it again and again , whilst it is frustrating for people in other jobs I think the more of this the more better conditions would be for everyone in all different lines of work , I worked in Logistics for 11 years and had enough of the rubbish pay and rubbish hours so re trained and now work in construction where the hours are still rubbish but the pay is a lot better than previously I think more of us need to do this and then maybe these companies the Sainsbury's etc might pay more money a real living wage etc if Lidl are doing it why can't Sainsbury's ? think the problem is the living wage is entirely voluntary. I believe the minimum wage should really be increased to a living wage level, it just feels wrong to have a minimum wage that people can't live on. I'll take a very controversial view on this and say that if that were to happen I imagine lots of companies would be seeking to introduce automation into their workforce in basic labour jobs or for some industries cut down on employees. And this won't affect large businesses like Tesco or McDonald's or Amazon most, they have the money to pay for all of this. This directly impacts small local businesses not helped by ridiculous rent within the Capital.
Nice idea in theory but I don't know whether it would work in practicality, Seattle embraced it and it reduced low income worker employment opportunities.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 29, 2021 21:53:21 GMT
I can't see a whole line closing ... what I could possibly see is some of the quieter branches shutting down. Woodford to Hainault on the Central line would be one to start off with, possibly the Chesham branch of the Met line too I think they’ll target overlapping sections rather than outlying sections which will instantly attract a backlash so the Bakerloo north of Queens Park, Hammersmith & City or Circle, etc
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Post by greenboy on Nov 29, 2021 22:32:23 GMT
I can't see a whole line closing ... what I could possibly see is some of the quieter branches shutting down. Woodford to Hainault on the Central line would be one to start off with, possibly the Chesham branch of the Met line too I think the District Line service to Upminster could be reduced with some trains terminating at Dagenham East or Barking and some H&C trains at Plaistow. Does the Piccadilly Line need to go to Uxbridge? If an entire line had to be suspended then the Bakerloo Line would seem to be the least worst option.
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Post by redbus on Nov 29, 2021 22:44:22 GMT
Woodford to Hainault on the Central line would be one to start off with, possibly the Chesham branch of the Met line too I think they’ll target overlapping sections rather than outlying sections which will instantly attract a backlash so the Bakerloo north of Queens Park, Hammersmith & City or Circle, etc Seriously, if I were a betting man this is not going to happen. I can see lots of cuts, but whole lines closing, no, with possible exception of the Waterloo and City line. Frequencies particularly at less busy times may be slashed on both tubes and buses. The political fallout for closing whole lines would I think be too much to bear. Arguably the Mayor would be better off issuing a section 21 notice and that would allow for mass closures, but I can't see the Government standing by in such circumstances. They would step in, sure there would be cuts, but not whole line closures as at that point they would be taking the blame not the Mayor.
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Post by YY13VKP on Nov 29, 2021 23:35:01 GMT
I can't see a whole line closing ... what I could possibly see is some of the quieter branches shutting down. Think this is more scaremongering from the media here. Like you said, they would not close an entire line as millions of people rely on the Bakerloo line - doing so would further reduce the income TfL currently gets. And like I've said on another thread, I would be extremely surprised if the government did not offer TfL a new funding deal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 5:34:56 GMT
Woodford to Hainault on the Central line would be one to start off with, possibly the Chesham branch of the Met line too I think the District Line service to Upminster could be reduced with some trains terminating at Dagenham East or Barking and some H&C trains at Plaistow. Does the Piccadilly Line need to go to Uxbridge? If an entire line had to be suspended then the Bakerloo Line would seem to be the least worst option. The Piccadilly line could be cut back to Rayner's Lane, the Met line is far more useful on that section
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 30, 2021 7:19:20 GMT
The Piccadilly line could be cut back to Rayner's Lane, the Met line is far more useful on that section Think they are already training the passengers for this, no service last three days, rail adhesion problems.
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Post by joefrombow on Nov 30, 2021 7:28:34 GMT
think the problem is the living wage is entirely voluntary. I believe the minimum wage should really be increased to a living wage level, it just feels wrong to have a minimum wage that people can't live on. I'll take a very controversial view on this and say that if that were to happen I imagine lots of companies would be seeking to introduce automation into their workforce in basic labour jobs or for some industries cut down on employees. And this won't affect large businesses like Tesco or McDonald's or Amazon most, they have the money to pay for all of this. This directly impacts small local businesses not helped by ridiculous rent within the Capital. Nice idea in theory but I don't know whether it would work in practicality, Seattle embraced it and it reduced low income worker employment opportunities.
Tbh I think the Digitalisation or Automation has already started , even with the self service machines for example in Tesco's that's 10 staff less you need instead of 10 tills even Mc Donald's now local to me you have to order on self service machine even if paying with cash and then pay at the till all of this is just the start of less staff for all jobs , eventually it's the way the world is going to go within the next 10 years I say , but this is another reason why I think we should all stick by workers protesting for workers rights in the next 10/20 years there are going to be a lot of changes in the general workforce maybe we will all need a universal basic income who knows ?
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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 30, 2021 7:34:27 GMT
I'll take a very controversial view on this and say that if that were to happen I imagine lots of companies would be seeking to introduce automation into their workforce in basic labour jobs or for some industries cut down on employees. And this won't affect large businesses like Tesco or McDonald's or Amazon most, they have the money to pay for all of this. This directly impacts small local businesses not helped by ridiculous rent within the Capital. Nice idea in theory but I don't know whether it would work in practicality, Seattle embraced it and it reduced low income worker employment opportunities.
Tbh I think the Digitalisation or Automation has already started , even with the self service machines for example in Tesco's that's 10 staff less you need instead of 10 tills even Mc Donald's now local to me you have to order on self service machine even if paying with cash and then pay at the till all of this is just the start of less staff for all jobs , eventually it's the way the world is going to go within the next 10 years I say , but this is another reason why I think we should all stick by workers protesting for workers rights in the next 10/20 years there are going to be a lot of changes in the general workforce maybe we will all need a universal basic income who knows ? I don't think we will be seeing automation within all industry to the point where a significant number of jobs are lost purely because we have not reached General Intelligence (which we should never even begin to reach because it's going to become out of control as by that level of intelligence we cannot control it) and as I say I'm sure there are going to be fields that are going to expand over the next 3 decades that could employ more people and there'll likely be more industries that will die over the next 3 decades, it's happened since the beginning of time and we've had fears of job loss since then as well. All that is needed is not UBI, it's to stay relevant.
In regards to McDonald's not sure on the figures myself however I wouldn't doubt that some of those workers displaced could have found other jobs within the industry or even connected to McDonald's, UBER Eats has certainly risen in popularity (so more drivers employed?). I guess that's just how the economy works.
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Post by joefrombow on Nov 30, 2021 7:35:05 GMT
I can't see a whole line closing ... what I could possibly see is some of the quieter branches shutting down. Think this is more scaremongering from the media here. Like you said, they would not close an entire line as millions of people rely on the Bakerloo line - doing so would further reduce the income TfL currently gets. And like I've said on another thread, I would be extremely surprised if the government did not offer TfL a new funding deal. To be fair the Bakerloo if it were to be closed would probably be down to the ageing rolling stock if there is a lack of money repairs and general running costs might not be able to be achieved ? I think if anything we would see it cut back in frequency and maybe Monday to Fridays only and no service North of Queens PK/Stonebridge but I don't think it would "close" as is being said and same on other lines maybe shuttles & reduced services at the outer ends of the lines but this is just trying to pass the buck really the gov blaming the mayor and the mayor blaming the gov if the funding he wants doesn't come through one thing is certain though there will be cuts of some sort across the network , the current model isn't sustainable especially post CV19 as people change their habits working from home etc .
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 30, 2021 8:03:48 GMT
I can't see a whole line closing ... what I could possibly see is some of the quieter branches shutting down. Think this is more scaremongering from the media here. Like you said, they would not close an entire line as millions of people rely on the Bakerloo line - doing so would further reduce the income TfL currently gets. And like I've said on another thread, I would be extremely surprised if the government did not offer TfL a new funding deal. Mothballing the Bakerloo Line - if an entire line is to close - would be the least worst option. Its usage in the Central area is lower than other lines, and it is largely paralleled by the Jubilee Line which offers an alternative, with varying degrees of inconvenience, for many journeys that are currently made on the Bakerloo. It also sidesteps the issue of replacing the Bakerloo Line rolling stock and modernising the route. Finally, Queens Park to Harrow & Wealdstone is still covered by London Overground. If extra capacity is needed between Euston and Harrow & Wealdstone (longer and/or more frequent trains) a reshuffle and reformation of the Overground fleet could achieve this. The most disadvantaged area would be around Maida Vale/Warwick Avenue where there is no real alternative rail option in the area, travellers would be reliant on bus routes and feeders. As I said before, let's hope it doesn't have to come to this. Sadiq Khan, Andy Byford and Grant Shapps all need to come to the table determined that this will not happen.
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