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Post by JUNIOR26 on Nov 16, 2022 10:00:07 GMT
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Post by lonmark on Nov 16, 2022 12:17:34 GMT
Thank you 😊👍🏻 I would like bus route X239 extended to Bromley North. I had survey and comment it. |
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 16, 2022 12:28:31 GMT
Thank you 😊👍🏻 I would like bus route X239 extended to Bromley North. I had survey and comment it. It would be a useful link, but I am not sure it would be justified economically especially at an 8-minute frequency. There is the opportunity to change between the X239 and 126/261 at Grove Park. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 16, 2022 12:32:28 GMT
I hope the X239 receives a better number in practice, it’s awfully clunky as it is now. What about X48 or X10 or X82?
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Post by routew15 on Nov 16, 2022 12:34:45 GMT
Thank you 😊👍🏻 I would like bus route X239 extended to Bromley North. I had survey and comment it. It would be a useful link, but I am not sure it would be justified economically especially at an 8-minute frequency. There is the opportunity to change between the X239 and 126/261 at Grove Park. But surely it is better to serve Bromley with 7.5 bph than Leamouth with 12.5 bph (D3 included) |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 16, 2022 12:37:15 GMT
I hope the X239 receives a better number in practice, it’s awfully clunky as it is now. What about X48 or X10 or X82? That's what I thought,the X10 rolls off the tongue a lot easier. |
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 16, 2022 13:20:41 GMT
It would be a useful link, but I am not sure it would be justified economically especially at an 8-minute frequency. There is the opportunity to change between the X239 and 126/261 at Grove Park. But surely it is better to serve Bromley with 7.5 bph than Leamouth with 12.5 bph (D3 included) By the same token though, you would give Grove Park to Bromley North nearly 18 buses an hour - or one around every 3-4 minutes (on average). |
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Post by ADH45258 on Nov 16, 2022 13:32:13 GMT
Not sure the X239 idea really works as an express route. It misses key interchanges at both Canning Town and North Greenwich, and generally I can't see there being enough demand for a limited stop route on this corridor. Many passengers commuting to Canary Wharf from around Blackheath and Grove Park will still prefer to travel to Lewisham then take the DLR.
I also think a link through the tunnel to Canary Wharf should ideally continue through to the rest of the Isle of Dogs, providing a link from the area around Crossharbour direct to North Greenwich. This could perhaps replace the proposed D3 routeing, with the 100/D3 instead left unchanged.
And to the south of the river, rather than introducing another North Greenwich to Blackheath route, it might make more sense to instead send the 108 through the Silvertown Tunnel to allow DDs to be introduced for extra capacity (also swapping with the D8 in the Bow area). If a Grove Park link is needed, the 335 could extend there from Kidbrooke?
Also, with the 330 rerouted through the tunnel, I assume TFL intend on replacing the Pontoon Dock section, could perhaps extend the 323?
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 16, 2022 13:34:39 GMT
I hope the X239 receives a better number in practice, it’s awfully clunky as it is now. What about X48 or X10 or X82? Why not X1? It doesn't have to correspond with the 1, after all the 26 and X26 have nothing in common. |
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Post by TB123 on Nov 16, 2022 13:34:59 GMT
Not sure the X239 idea really works as an express route. It misses key interchanges at both Canning Town and North Greenwich, and generally I can't see there being enough demand for a limited stop route on this corridor. Many passengers commuting to Canary Wharf from around Blackheath and Grove Park will still prefer to travel to Lewisham then take the DLR. I also think a link through the tunnel to Canary Wharf should ideally continue through to the rest of the Isle of Dogs, providing a link from the area around Crossharbour direct to North Greenwich. This could perhaps replace the proposed D3 routeing, with the 100/D3 instead left unchanged. And to the south of the river, rather than introducing another North Greenwich to Blackheath route, it might make more sense to instead send the 108 through the Silvertown Tunnel to allow DDs to be introduced for extra capacity (also swapping with the D8 in the Bow area). If a Grove Park link is needed, the 335 could extend there from Kidbrooke? Also, with the 330 rerouted through the tunnel, I assume TFL intend on replacing the Pontoon Dock section, could perhaps extend the 323? You've not read the supporting paper with all the data supporting the choices suggested, over the ones you suggest, have you? Nothing is being done to the 330. |
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Post by WH241 on Nov 16, 2022 13:41:18 GMT
As I said elsewhere I really don’t see the need for the 129 to Beckton regardless of housing developments. The 129 will run along Stansfield Road which only recently had the 300 removed and then duplicates the 262 to Gallions Reach it won’t serve any major stations apart from Beckton DLR and other stations along North Woolwich / Silvertown Way. I honestly shake my head at what TfL has done to buses in south Newham with the recent changes.
The X239 is interesting as there has been a big push towards rail services and now this service is being proposed! It’s similar to the old coach services that all ended up finishing because most passengers transferred onto trains, Tube and the DLR.
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 16, 2022 13:41:51 GMT
Not sure the X239 idea really works as an express route. It misses key interchanges at both Canning Town and North Greenwich, and generally I can't see there being enough demand for a limited stop route on this corridor. Many passengers commuting to Canary Wharf from around Blackheath and Grove Park will still prefer to travel to Lewisham then take the DLR. I also think a link through the tunnel to Canary Wharf should ideally continue through to the rest of the Isle of Dogs, providing a link from the area around Crossharbour direct to North Greenwich. This could perhaps replace the proposed D3 routeing, with the 100/D3 instead left unchanged. And to the south of the river, rather than introducing another North Greenwich to Blackheath route, it might make more sense to instead send the 108 through the Silvertown Tunnel to allow DDs to be introduced for extra capacity (also swapping with the D8 in the Bow area). If a Grove Park link is needed, the 335 could extend there from Kidbrooke? Also, with the 330 rerouted through the tunnel, I assume TFL intend on replacing the Pontoon Dock section, could perhaps extend the 323? The 330 would not go through the tunnel, that is not part of the preferred option. It was calculated that demand for a tunnel route from the Barking Road corridor would be marginal, as there is a high-frequency service into the Jubilee Line at Canning Town. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 16, 2022 14:32:57 GMT
Not sure the X239 idea really works as an express route. It misses key interchanges at both Canning Town and North Greenwich, and generally I can't see there being enough demand for a limited stop route on this corridor. Many passengers commuting to Canary Wharf from around Blackheath and Grove Park will still prefer to travel to Lewisham then take the DLR. I also think a link through the tunnel to Canary Wharf should ideally continue through to the rest of the Isle of Dogs, providing a link from the area around Crossharbour direct to North Greenwich. This could perhaps replace the proposed D3 routeing, with the 100/D3 instead left unchanged. And to the south of the river, rather than introducing another North Greenwich to Blackheath route, it might make more sense to instead send the 108 through the Silvertown Tunnel to allow DDs to be introduced for extra capacity (also swapping with the D8 in the Bow area). If a Grove Park link is needed, the 335 could extend there from Kidbrooke? Also, with the 330 rerouted through the tunnel, I assume TFL intend on replacing the Pontoon Dock section, could perhaps extend the 323? You've not read the supporting paper with all the data supporting the choices suggested, over the ones you suggest, have you? Nothing is being done to the 330. TBF, he raises a good point in regards to the X239 missing both Canning Town & North Greenwich which are major passenger objectives on both sides of the river - don't think I've heard of an express or limited stop route purposely missing such major objectives before outside of the X68 missing Brixton (which makes total sense unlike the X239 proposal). I'd also argue the likes of Wood Wharf would be better off with a standard route rather than an express route such as the D3 - let the D3 double run via Wood Wharf and leave the X239 to run direct via Aspen Way & Trafalgar Way instead. X108 seems like a better number personally but otherwise, it's number really isn't a big deal in comparison to what it will actually do. |
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Post by busman on Nov 16, 2022 14:41:32 GMT
Agree, x239 is a completely illogical number for the proposed route. The number 239 doesn’t even hold any historical significance for routes in the area. My only conclusion is that TfL had or have plans to introduce a 239 somewhere along the line. Interesting that the route will be non-stop from Sun-in-the-sands to Leamouth completely skipping North Greenwich. TfL must have good data showing a healthy flow of journeys from Grove Park, Lee and Blackheath into the Canary Wharf area.
Overall, this is a bit of a nothing consultation tbh. Disappointed that we don’t get links into useful destinations deep into E/NE London. For people local to North Greenwich we only get one new link - the 129 via LCY and Gallions Reach. No new links to any major destinations north of the river.
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Post by VMH2537 on Nov 16, 2022 14:54:57 GMT
Not sure the X239 idea really works as an express route. It misses key interchanges at both Canning Town and North Greenwich, and generally I can't see there being enough demand for a limited stop route on this corridor. Many passengers commuting to Canary Wharf from around Blackheath and Grove Park will still prefer to travel to Lewisham then take the DLR. I also think a link through the tunnel to Canary Wharf should ideally continue through to the rest of the Isle of Dogs, providing a link from the area around Crossharbour direct to North Greenwich. This could perhaps replace the proposed D3 routeing, with the 100/D3 instead left unchanged. And to the south of the river, rather than introducing another North Greenwich to Blackheath route, it might make more sense to instead send the 108 through the Silvertown Tunnel to allow DDs to be introduced for extra capacity (also swapping with the D8 in the Bow area). If a Grove Park link is needed, the 335 could extend there from Kidbrooke? Also, with the 330 rerouted through the tunnel, I assume TFL intend on replacing the Pontoon Dock section, could perhaps extend the 323? Agreed with this, the X239 does miss interchange opportunities, especially at North Greenwich where there are no direct links to Grove Park. I do feel an extension to Bromley was another missed opportunity. Though I think it's down to stand space at Bromley North as to why it did not go there IIRC. |
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