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Post by route53 on Nov 19, 2022 16:40:38 GMT
Read through the proposals and I must say they’re underwhelming at best.
1: The 129 is best suited staying south of the river, the proposed route could easily be done via the DLR, it’s the wrong route to extend cross river in my opinion, personally I’d extend the 335 as that seemed primed to be a contender to run via the new tunnel.
2: 108, a minor tweek I see, personally I’d reroute it via Silvertown tunnel so it could have double decker buses and perhaps have this “X239” be single decked and run via Blackwall tunnel.
3: I like the sound of the new express route but I’d change the number to either “X108” or “X335”, (the former would be my preference as it has local historical relevance) it should also be extended to Bromley, Bromley’s bus network isn’t nearly as expansive as it’s neighbouring Bexleyheath and Croydon’s own network, Bromley has great rail links to the West End and the City but an awkward link to the Docklands.
4: Other routes I’d extend, 472 to Canary Wharf, this would be a handy link between Thamesmead and the Docklands, yes there’s the Liz line at Abbey Wood but that’s a whole different district, Thamesmead itself has limited transportation as it is and I think locals would welcome such a link, I would also add another route from Eltham through Silvertown tunnel to Beckton or Canning Town or even Wanstead/Forest Gate
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Nov 20, 2022 15:27:13 GMT
I hope the X239 receives a better number in practice, it’s awfully clunky as it is now. What about X48 or X10 or X82? Why not X1? It doesn't have to correspond with the 1, after all the 26 and X26 have nothing in common. The X26’s predecessor is the route 726, so it does make sense
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Post by twobellstogo on Nov 20, 2022 20:52:44 GMT
Why not X1? It doesn't have to correspond with the 1, after all the 26 and X26 have nothing in common. The X26’s predecessor is the route 726, so it does make sense I suspect judging by wirewiper’s posts that he is very aware of that. My personal view is that I wouldn’t have the X239 as an X anything, I’d use plain 239.
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 20, 2022 22:03:15 GMT
The X26’s predecessor is the route 726, so it does make sense I suspect judging by wirewiper’s posts that he is very aware of that. My personal view is that I wouldn’t have the X239 as an X anything, I’d use plain 239. Technically you could argue is it an express route as it will serve all stops along the route with a large gap of no stops for part of it. Arguably an express route is more like the 607/ X26/X140 that serves few stops so speed builds up between them.
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 20, 2022 22:29:07 GMT
I suspect judging by wirewiper’s posts that he is very aware of that. My personal view is that I wouldn’t have the X239 as an X anything, I’d use plain 239. Technically you could argue is it an express route as it will serve all stops along the route with a large gap of no stops for part of it. Arguably an express route is more like the 607/ X26/X140 that serves few stops so speed builds up between them. I would argue that neither the 607 or x140 are actually express routes, both can be defined as limited stop services as their “express” sections are very short in comparison to the x26 for example.
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Post by route53 on Nov 20, 2022 23:36:51 GMT
I suspect judging by wirewiper’s posts that he is very aware of that. My personal view is that I wouldn’t have the X239 as an X anything, I’d use plain 239. Technically you could argue is it an express route as it will serve all stops along the route with a large gap of no stops for part of it. Arguably an express route is more like the 607/ X26/X140 that serves few stops so speed builds up between them. To be pedantic, you could even say the the 53 is an express/limited stop service eastbound to Plumstead seeing as it uses the Bricklayers Flyover, skipping Bricklayers Arms and a section of the Old Kent Road, while the 453 makes the stops in between.
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Post by route53 on Nov 20, 2022 23:51:09 GMT
Another idea for potential Silvertown routes; 361, New Eltham to Wanstead via Eltham, Shooters Hill/Woolwich Common, Blackheath Sun in the Sands, North Greenwich, Silvertown Tunnel, West Ham, Stratford, Forest Gate then Wanstead
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 21, 2022 9:04:06 GMT
Technically you could argue is it an express route as it will serve all stops along the route with a large gap of no stops for part of it. Arguably an express route is more like the 607/ X26/X140 that serves few stops so speed builds up between them. To be pedantic, you could even say the the 53 is an express/limited stop service eastbound to Plumstead seeing as it uses the Bricklayers Flyover, skipping Bricklayers Arms and a section of the Old Kent Road, while the 453 makes the stops in between. Same with the 132 that runs fast up the Blackwall Tunnel approach as opposed to via Westcombe Park and Royal Standard like the 108/286/422.
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Post by TB123 on Nov 21, 2022 9:20:42 GMT
Some of the initial ideas considered were interesting. Reading the maps it looks as though the 132 to Mile End was mulled. As was sending the 129 to Barking.
I think the option (b1) they've chosen is about right. A fine balancing act of course but the numbers stack up. I did rather like the optino of sending the 129 to Wanstead Park, the 335 to Beckton and x239 running a lesser frequency but what's the point if the numbers aren't workable.
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Post by twobellstogo on Nov 21, 2022 16:00:21 GMT
Another idea for potential Silvertown routes; 361, New Eltham to Wanstead via Eltham, Shooters Hill/Woolwich Common, Blackheath Sun in the Sands, North Greenwich, Silvertown Tunnel, West Ham, Stratford, Forest Gate then Wanstead I’d just tag the north of the river bit of that route to the 335 and not bother with the southern end.
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Post by WH241 on Nov 21, 2022 20:09:35 GMT
Another idea for potential Silvertown routes; 361, New Eltham to Wanstead via Eltham, Shooters Hill/Woolwich Common, Blackheath Sun in the Sands, North Greenwich, Silvertown Tunnel, West Ham, Stratford, Forest Gate then Wanstead Only issue If the route went via West Ham it would have to be single decker and would duplicate the 308 to Wanstead.
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Post by stuckonthe486 on Dec 4, 2022 13:07:43 GMT
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Post by danorak on Dec 4, 2022 15:46:10 GMT
TfL haven't even thrown Greenwich Cou...sorry, the Royal Borough a crumb really. The 129 extension being the best option bewilders me: the type of journey this provides for is already easily done on the DLR. It adds nothing.
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Post by ronnie on Dec 4, 2022 16:15:17 GMT
If those Greenwich Labour councillors have an iota of shame (which considering they are Labour they don’t) they should all resign This was touted as a grand scheme to increase usage of public transport. Despite it being a bonkers scheme in the first place owing to using the same approach as the Blackwall tunnel (I await the increased traffic chaos!) Instead of a promised 37.5bph (so a bus in less than 2 min) we now get a heavily watered down 20bph with only 2 routes being created. The 108 is being touted in such a fashion as if it’s a new route being introduced. The X239 will serve all of 2 stops in the entire borough and the 129 extension isn’t exactly great. To add insult to injury both tunnels will now be tolled! Labour councils won’t dare introduce tolls in west London but east London is easy money
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Post by vjaska on Dec 4, 2022 17:25:26 GMT
If those Greenwich Labour councillors have an iota of shame (which considering they are Labour they don’t) they should all resign This was touted as a grand scheme to increase usage of public transport. Despite it being a bonkers scheme in the first place owing to using the same approach as the Blackwall tunnel (I await the increased traffic chaos!) Instead of a promised 37.5bph (so a bus in less than 2 min) we now get a heavily watered down 20bph with only 2 routes being created. The 108 is being touted in such a fashion as if it’s a new route being introduced. The X239 will serve all of 2 stops in the entire borough and the 129 extension isn’t exactly great. To add insult to injury both tunnels will now be tolled! Labour councils won’t dare introduce tolls in west London but east London is easy money Sorry I'm confused - Greenwich Council pressed for the tunnel based on better buses so how is it they are being blamed for this when it's clearly TfL who have watered down their own plans by chopping out roughly 17bph and the X239 proposal being laughable at best given an express route is meant to serve the busiest and important stops yet misses both North Greenwich & Canning Town bus stations. Now if Greenwich decided this new proposal is great, then by all mean, your criticism makes perfect sense but until we know that for sure, I don't think they should be criticised for such a thing but maybe I'm probably missing something. This has nothing to do with party politics - it's TfL's fault here. Also, can we stop with the area wars - bad enough that Burnham does it with north vs south without Londoner vs Londoner
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