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Post by snowman on Jan 28, 2020 11:36:31 GMT
Yes, now seems that in addition to those from 272 (replaced by DLE spare from shortened 391), some of the ones from 440 are moving over The rumours of a top-up batch now seem to be confirmed as false However I am struggling to understand where the DLEs for 440 are coming from, that will backfill At moment DLEs work : 110, 216, 223, 224, 265, 272, 283, 288, 303, 371 (part), 411, 423, 465 (part), H17, H18, H19, H22, H37 (part), H98, K2, K3, Route loss ? Unless RATP are handing back a route, or TfL axing a route (neither announced) then nothing being lost until 391 (Dec) and 283 (Feb 2021) contracts expire and tenders for these not yet announced. However some routes do go cross border and it is known Surrey CC are announcing which routes they will continue to support (from April) sometime in Feb, so some routes may get shortened.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 11:43:02 GMT
Unless RATP are handing back a route, or TfL axing a route (neither announced) then nothing being lost until 391 (Dec) and 283 (Feb 2021) contracts expire and tenders for these not yet announced. However some routes do go cross border and it is known Surrey CC are announcing which routes they will continue to support (from April) sometime in Feb, so some routes may get shortened. True. I can't imagine it not involving the 285 VH's somehow. Converting the 216 and 411 to double deck would do the trick. And the VHs are possibly heading to FW anyway.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 28, 2020 11:44:18 GMT
What does the 216 use. Most likely is that will convert to DD with buses off the 94/285 soon to become spare.
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Post by greenboy on Jan 28, 2020 12:13:41 GMT
What does the 216 use. Most likely is that will convert to DD with buses off the 94/285 soon to become spare. I believe double deckers have been banned from the 216 after an accident in Sunbury?
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 28, 2020 12:28:34 GMT
I think there was an accident but I cant see how that would prevent a DD conversion.
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Post by snowman on Jan 28, 2020 12:30:23 GMT
Unless RATP are handing back a route, or TfL axing a route (neither announced) then nothing being lost until 391 (Dec) and 283 (Feb 2021) contracts expire and tenders for these not yet announced. However some routes do go cross border and it is known Surrey CC are announcing which routes they will continue to support (from April) sometime in Feb, so some routes may get shortened. True. I can't imagine it not involving the 285 VH's somehow. Converting the 216 and 411 to double deck would do the trick. And the VHs are possibly heading to FW anyway. Regardless of which routes get VHs, it would only be part of a big cascade Ultimately such a shuffle might see off some 2007 and 2008 DEs To be replaced by retaining a few more 2008 or 2009 SPs that would otherwise have left The advantages of doing this vs the costs of this seem quite weak to me.
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Post by greenboy on Jan 28, 2020 12:35:28 GMT
I think there was an accident but I cant see how that would prevent a DD conversion. That's what was reported, I don't know the reasoning behind it. Double deckers used to be commonplace but not anymore.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jan 28, 2020 12:37:41 GMT
True. I can't imagine it not involving the 285 VH's somehow. Converting the 216 and 411 to double deck would do the trick. And the VHs are possibly heading to FW anyway. Regardless of which routes get VHs, it would only be part of a bit cascade Ultimately such a shuffle might see off some 2007 and 2008 DEs To be replaced by retaining a few more 2008 or 2009 SPs that would otherwise have left The advantages of doing this vs the costs of this seem quite weak to me. I guess one of the main aims for this is to make sure the 326 has enough DMEs to be in compliance with the new contract.
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Post by Volvo on Jan 28, 2020 13:03:52 GMT
I was told yesterday by GDT that we are not getting any brand new DMEs but rather 18x 19reg examples from another garage. Yes, now seems that in addition to those from 272 (replaced by DLE spare from shortened 391), some of the ones from 440 are moving over The rumours of a top-up batch now seem to be confirmed as false However I am struggling to understand where the DLEs for 440 are coming from, that will backfill At moment DLEs work : 110, 216, 223, 224, 265, 272, 283, 288, 303, 371 (part), 411, 423, 465 (part), H17, H18, H19, H22, H37 (part), H98, K2, K3, There could potentially be a double decking (although dubious if a bus upto 9 years older is an improvement) I also wondered where DLEs for 440 were coming from.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 13:30:54 GMT
Yes, now seems that in addition to those from 272 (replaced by DLE spare from shortened 391), some of the ones from 440 are moving over The rumours of a top-up batch now seem to be confirmed as false However I am struggling to understand where the DLEs for 440 are coming from, that will backfill At moment DLEs work : 110, 216, 223, 224, 265, 272, 283, 288, 303, 371 (part), 411, 423, 465 (part), H17, H18, H19, H22, H37 (part), H98, K2, K3, There could potentially be a double decking (although dubious if a bus upto 9 years older is an improvement) I also wondered where DLEs for 440 were coming from. I think H98 and it ends up getting decked.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 13:48:21 GMT
Running numbers for the K5 at TV are 341-346 Was nice to hear some regular passengers and drivers greeting each other on this route. One exchange was particularly pleasant. The driver was evidently driving the K5 when it was last at TV. We picked up a gent in Ham and the two greeted each other like long lost pals.
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Post by paulo on Jan 28, 2020 13:51:20 GMT
I think there was an accident but I cant see how that would prevent a DD conversion. That's what was reported, I don't know the reasoning behind it. Double deckers used to be commonplace but not anymore. Lowe Sunbury residents always complained about DD’s being intrusive into upper floor bedrooms along Thames Street. Unfortunately an elderly gentleman walked out in front of an SLE and was hit and then subsequently died. That was enough to strengthen their campaign and see off DDs a few months later.
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Post by rif153 on Jan 28, 2020 13:51:30 GMT
I was told yesterday by GDT that we are not getting any brand new DMEs but rather 18x 19reg examples from another garage. Suggests the 440 is getting upgraded and I suggest a double deck conversion somewhere. Will be very interesting indeed if the 440 is decked. I think demand north of Acton growing and with Crossrail, eventually, coming, no doubt demand will continue to grow, the area around North Acton station has seen population growth and redevelopment with Imperial College student residences being built. South of Acton the route is a very different kettle of fish mainly because of the stupid rerouting via the Business Park. Still, a welcome improvement I guess. I wonder if RATP are looking to deck a route so that DLEs are freed up to go to the 465 due to the issue of insufficient buses for the H37, of course some free DLEs could also make their way to AV for the H37.
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Post by COBO on Jan 28, 2020 13:56:46 GMT
DE20046 front number plate is hanging of it.
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Post by WSD3 on Jan 28, 2020 16:00:09 GMT
I was told yesterday by GDT that we are not getting any brand new DMEs but rather 18x 19reg examples from another garage. Suggests the 440 is getting upgraded and I suggest a double deck conversion somewhere. the 440 is not to get a double deck conversion only the 423 and H98 are to get double decked with the DLE's going to routes 33,72,440,N33,N72.
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