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Post by joefrombow on Dec 21, 2012 0:19:39 GMT
I think that the 339 idea is a bit to ambitious extending it to Whipps cross seems a bit far, it would make more sense i would say to extend the W16 down to Stratford City as was planned or the W13 via the proposed routing from Leytonstone , as for the 308 and 388 ideas I think they are good and would work as for the missing link though between the village and ASDAs extend the 241 up to Leyton .
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Post by zebedee104 on Dec 21, 2012 8:28:15 GMT
I do agree - the 388 change will be very handy and a useful new link. For all those lamenting the loss of the 308, the route via Leyton has been more of a diversionary thing anyway during the Olympic work, and it's not surprising it disappeared again at the first opportunity. I sense political jiggery pokery with the 339. I'm surprised they decided to terminate it at Whipps Cross where there's nowhere to put it. An interesting idea would have been to extend it through Wood Street as well (they've always wanted a bus from one end of Wood Street to the other) and have it terminate maybe near Waterworks Corner (hmmm I'm sure there's a turnaround point there not in use!)  Extending the W16 from Leytonstone, even by the same silly route they want to put the 339 down to Westfield would have required no additional infrastructure (apart from the buses). Would have been far more sensible. But of course the W16 is also rammed most of the day from Leytonstone so how would it have coped? |
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Post by Trident on Dec 21, 2012 14:40:59 GMT
I do agree - the 388 change will be very handy and a useful new link. For all those lamenting the loss of the 308, the route via Leyton has been more of a diversionary thing anyway during the Olympic work, and it's not surprising it disappeared again at the first opportunity. I sense political jiggery pokery with the 339. I'm surprised they decided to terminate it at Whipps Cross where there's nowhere to put it. An interesting idea would have been to extend it through Wood Street as well (they've always wanted a bus from one end of Wood Street to the other) and have it terminate maybe near Waterworks Corner (hmmm I'm sure there's a turnaround point there not in use!) Extending the W16 from Leytonstone, even by the same silly route they want to put the 339 down to Westfield would have required no additional infrastructure (apart from the buses). Would have been far more sensible. But of course the W16 is also rammed most of the day from Leytonstone so how would it have coped? I believe you are talking about Walthamstow, Beacontree Avenue. Its still used as a turning point for the 123 & 275. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2012 18:04:22 GMT
I am glad that Carpenters Road will once again become the direct road between Stratford and Hackney. I would have liked the 276 to return to its old direct routing, reducing journey time to former levels.
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Post by jrussa on Dec 28, 2012 4:25:10 GMT
I like the N205 idea, but imo should be extended to Leyton Bakers Arm's. The 108 should be diverted to Stratford City, that way much less congested in Stratford Town Centre. The 236 could also be extended to Stratford City I agree with you about Route 236 extending to Stratford. That would be provide a substantial amount of links to the East and North of London - Hoxton - Finsbury Park - Newington Green Route W14 should have been extended. That would provide the connections to Essex. If it was to extend, keep the Asda section. I travelled on Route W14 frequently from 2004 - 2006, 2008 and July-August 2012 and the route is decently used in the Asda section. Route 308's proposed route changes are fantastic!! Route N205's extension is not washing with me! Downsell Road is quite short of the main connections in Leyton, such as the Town Hall, Leyton Green and Baker's Arms. I believe that there should a bus route terminating at Stratford from Tottenham/ Wood Green/ Edmonton Green area.. I am not sure of the viability, but I am proposing this based on interchange at Stratford. It is becoming a gigantic hub for transport interchange and this can be maximised by this taking place.. The nearest route to serve this is Route 276 (Stoke Newington)... I am surprised that TFL has not decided to make use of Orient Way to for transport connections.. If Orient Way was to be used, potentially, Route 308 could travel via Orient Way, via Route 48 to Lea Bridge Road, Chatsworth Road and terminate at Homerton Hospital! Finally, I am surprised Church Road (The road opposite to Markhouse Road) is not used as a means of connection... |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 28, 2013 16:44:55 GMT
Thinking some more about the 339 extension and the various comments about going beyond Whipps Cross. I'm thinking about this as a proposal for the public consultation.
339 - runs on via East Village to terminate at Leyton (ASDA).
397 - extended on from Crooked Billet Sainsburys via Wadham Rd, Hale End Road, Forest Road, Wood Street, Whipps Cross roundabout and then the proposed 339 route through to Stratford City.
While this only adds 2 bph over the new link it is a modest start and the money for the "missing" 2 bph from the 339 proposal should be able to finance the extra route through Walthamstow. The extended route would give good access from Chingford direct to Whipps Cross Hospital and from the wider catchment area through to Stratford City. My only concern is making the 397 a bit unwieldy and prone to delays although efficient scheduling should be able to minimise that risk.
The alternative would be a new service from Stratford City to Walthamstow Crooked Billet over the route I suggest. My concern would be that this is potentially less cost efficient as the route would have to have two sets of stand time rather than none as per any extended route. It also creates more management overhead by being a new route in the network. The advantage would be that it could be enhanced, as and when needed, independently of considerations that would apply to enhancing either the 339 or 397.
I think there are some possible risks due to the narrow residential streets used by both the 339 and 397 that TfL might be reluctant to push frequencies too high to avoid buses meeting "head on" on roads where it is hard to pass.
Any comments on my idea before I write it down and send it to TfL? ;D
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Post by mondraker275 on Jan 28, 2013 19:21:27 GMT
Thinking some more about the 339 extension and the various comments about going beyond Whipps Cross. I'm thinking about this as a proposal for the public consultation. 339 - runs on via East Village to terminate at Leyton (ASDA). 397 - extended on from Crooked Billet Sainsburys via Wadham Rd, Hale End Road, Forest Road, Wood Street, Whipps Cross roundabout and then the proposed 339 route through to Stratford City. While this only adds 2 bph over the new link it is a modest start and the money for the "missing" 2 bph from the 339 proposal should be able to finance the extra route through Walthamstow. The extended route would give good access from Chingford direct to Whipps Cross Hospital and from the wider catchment area through to Stratford City. My only concern is making the 397 a bit unwieldy and prone to delays although efficient scheduling should be able to minimise that risk. The alternative would be a new service from Stratford City to Walthamstow Crooked Billet over the route I suggest. My concern would be that this is potentially less cost efficient as the route would have to have two sets of stand time rather than none as per any extended route. It also creates more management overhead by being a new route in the network. The advantage would be that it could be enhanced, as and when needed, independently of considerations that would apply to enhancing either the 339 or 397. I think there are some possible risks due to the narrow residential streets used by both the 339 and 397 that TfL might be reluctant to push frequencies too high to avoid buses meeting "head on" on roads where it is hard to pass. Any comments on my idea before I write it down and send it to TfL? ;D Love it! Another bus on Hale End Road!, Ill take it. Also, the link to Crooked Billet, via Wadham Road, will be useful. Additionally, a service through Wood Street is needed. |
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Post by Trident on Jan 28, 2013 20:19:17 GMT
Although this might not have much of an impact on the changes around Stratford City, I did consider one proposal to get the 339 to stand at Whipps Cross a lot easier and the amount of people who have requested a link between Stratford and North London:
Route 230: Withdrawn between Upper Walthamstow and Leyton, Bakers Arms and diverted to Stratford City via Leyton High Road, Ruckholt Road, Marshall Road slip off to serve the Retail Park, back, left along Temple Mills Lane, ahead Celebration Avenue, left Penny Brookes Street, right Monchifet Road to Stratford City Bus Station.
Although it's a parallel to Routes 69 & 97, at least it would give increased capacity along Leyton High Road and open up the link from Stratford to North London.
Replacement:
Route 357 - Diverted to serve Upper Walthamstow via current 230 routing
This in turn, would provide stand space for the 339 to stand at Whipps Cross
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 22:21:17 GMT
My only worry about the 339 is the impacts upon the southern half of the service. There's already some trouble with reliability and capacity between Mile End and Shadwell, as Shadwell is a pretty underlinked area in terms of bus provision. The small streets prevent longer buses, but I've never observed any particular problems with buses passing each other, so perhaps a small accompanying frequency increase is in order to account for the potential disruption to the southern half of the service? I'm not sure how the Whipps Cross link will be for through journeys from Shadwell. Maybe the 339 could have a scheduled termination at Mile End and every 2 bph towards Shadwell? |
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Post by Late Again on Jan 29, 2013 14:06:47 GMT
Something really should be done about the 339 as between 3pm and 6pm. It is packed solid when the bus gets to mile end station and no one can get on and there is a big scrum and everybody tries to get on from the back door. There should be a few peak time extras on there as 15 mins in the peak isn't to good. But late at night it's great it's empty. I think a extension to whipps cross is a bit to far for the route especially with its small darts. A extension to leyton asda would be good.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 29, 2013 18:28:14 GMT
Something really should be done about the 339 as between 3pm and 6pm. It is packed solid when the bus gets to mile end station and no one can get on and there is a big scrum and everybody tries to get on from the back door. There should be a few peak time extras on there as 15 mins in the peak isn't to good. But late at night it's great it's empty. I think a extension to whipps cross is a bit to far for the route especially with its small darts. A extension to leyton asda would be good. Is the Mile End peak overcrowding in both directions or just to Shadwell or to Fish Island? |
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Post by Late Again on Jan 29, 2013 18:54:10 GMT
[/quote] Is the Mile End peak overcrowding in both directions or just to Shadwell or to Fish Island?[/quote]
To be honest I've only noticed it towards Stratford city I haven't seen what it's like the other way. But I'm sure they could put 10.2 m buses on there
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Post by joefrombow on Jan 29, 2013 19:09:22 GMT
To be honest I've only noticed it towards Stratford city I haven't seen what it's like the other way. But I'm sure they could put 10.2 m buses on there Just as bad the other way. I'm sure they could, the turns aren't exactly tight on the route really. Heaven knows what extending it to Whipps Cross is going to do to a service with an already long waiting time and totally inadequate capacity. How about a new route from Whipps Cross via the planned routing and the current 339 to Mile end then straight down Burdett Road to the Unused bus stand at Limehouse running a overlapping frequency and then keeping the current 339 as it is or even curtailing it back to Fish Island ?? thus reducing the peak overcrowding but then again saying that during the evenings the route would carry fresh air as does the 339 most evenings ?? |
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Post by Trident on Jan 29, 2013 19:17:36 GMT
Just as bad the other way. I'm sure they could, the turns aren't exactly tight on the route really. Heaven knows what extending it to Whipps Cross is going to do to a service with an already long waiting time and totally inadequate capacity. How about a new route from Whipps Cross via the planned routing and the current 339 to Mile end then straight down Burdett Road to the Unused bus stand at Limehouse running a overlapping frequency and then keeping the current 339 as it is or even curtailing it back to Fish Island ?? thus reducing the peak overcrowding but then again saying that during the evenings the route would carry fresh air as does the 339 most evenings ?? But I believe this wouldn't resolve the issues that the 339 has South of Mile End during the peaks. It would still carry large loadings through Stepney I guess. |
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Post by Late Again on Jan 29, 2013 20:12:42 GMT
Just as bad the other way. I'm sure they could, the turns aren't exactly tight on the route really. Heaven knows what extending it to Whipps Cross is going to do to a service with an already long waiting time and totally inadequate capacity. How about a new route from Whipps Cross via the planned routing and the current 339 to Mile end then straight down Burdett Road to the Unused bus stand at Limehouse running a overlapping frequency and then keeping the current 339 as it is or even curtailing it back to Fish Island ?? thus reducing the peak overcrowding but then again saying that during the evenings the route would carry fresh air as does the 339 most evenings ?? I like your plan in some parts. Maybe run a sdo route with double deckers. Call it 633, Starting from the burdett road stand down commercial road down to aldgate east then whitechapel road, mile end road, grove road, roman road, Tredegar road and finish at fish island. But keep the main 339 as a 10min service during the peaks. |
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