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Post by snoggle on Feb 22, 2013 22:49:03 GMT
Well I've submitted my thoughts and comments. Only 1 hour and 12 mins to go before the deadline for submissions is reached!
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Post by Late Again on Mar 29, 2013 22:41:24 GMT
Looks like things are getting ready at Stratford international. As 2 bus stops with shelters and markings have appeared outside the station already.
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Post by wh541 on Mar 29, 2013 22:42:59 GMT
Looks like things are getting ready at Stratford international. As 2 bus stops with shelters and markings have appeared outside the station already. Any idea when the first changes will take place? I am sure I read somewhere April for the 97 but could be wrong!
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Post by Trident on Mar 29, 2013 23:49:30 GMT
Looks like things are getting ready at Stratford international. As 2 bus stops with shelters and markings have appeared outside the station already. Any idea when the first changes will take place? I am sure I read somewhere April for the 97 but could be wrong! The consultation did mention the 97 change is scheduled to take place around May time. It could be earlier though depending on if the roads are ready . Sent from my GT-S5830 using proboards
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Post by snoggle on Mar 30, 2013 10:12:41 GMT
Looks like things are getting ready at Stratford international. As 2 bus stops with shelters and markings have appeared outside the station already. Interesting. Still the D8 was proposed to reach the Int Station so shifting the stand to there is a relatively simple change. As others have said the 97 was slated as one of the earliest changes once roads have opened up. I read that TfL had received 500 responses to the consultation which strikes me as quite high. While serving the International Stn is probably part of any scheme I do hope TfL are paying proper attention to what people have said rather than inviting comments and then just implementing the original plan anyway.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 12, 2013 13:00:03 GMT
And the results are now out!! I've just had an E mail from TfL about the decisions on the Olympic Park bus routes. Nice to see that nothing I said or proposed has made it in to the end result. There is barely any change to what TfL originally proposed and people wonder why there is cynicism about the consultation process! There is also a fantastically patronising response from TfL about why they can't serve a health centre with a stop outside it and how people need to understand how transport planning works. How that remark ever made it through to publication I know not! Looking at the full consultation summary it seems no one else had the same brilliant ideas I had ;-) Consultation WebsiteA cut and paste from the letter is below. Route 97: The changes will now commence from 31 August 2013 after Temple Mills Lane East opens. Route 308: The changes will now commence from 14 December 2013 after Temple Mills Lane North opens. Route 339: This route will be extended to Leytonstone only due to there being no available stand space at Whipps Cross. We expect this change to be made from 31 August 2013. We will continue to work with LB Waltham Forest in securing a stand at Whipps Cross. Route 339: The diversion into Stratford City from the west via Carpenters Road will now be delayed until May 2014 by which time the link road near the Aquatics Centre is expected to have been constructed. In the meantime buses will remain on their current Stratford High Street route into Stratford City. Route 388: The changes will commence from 14 December 2013 after the Eastway Bridge becomes two-way for buses. The intention is still to route the intended to provide a shuttle service (numbered 588) between Stratford City and Hackney Wick via the North Park and former Games media centre until the 388 scheme can be implemented. This will require securing bus stops on Waterden Road. We expect route 588 to be implemented by mid-July 2013. Route D8: The changes to route D8 will be implemented in two phases. The extension to Stratford International will be made from 31 August 2013. The diversion via Carpenters Road will occur from May 2014 by which time the link road near the Aquatics Centre is expected to have been constructed. In the meantime buses will remain on current routeing via Warton Road. Route N205: The extension to Leyton, Downsell Road will now be made from 31 August 2013 after Temple Mills Lane East becomes available. We have also amended the routeing that route N205 will take into Stratford. From Stratford High Street the bus will operate via Warton Road rather than Carpenters Road as originally proposed. Routes 26 and 30: The swapping of the terminals in Hackney Wick will coincide with the change to route 388 and will now occur on 14 December 2013. Route 241: Decisions on the changes to route 241 are subject to further details from iCity on how the former Games media centre will be transformed into its legacy use.
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Post by Late Again on Jun 12, 2013 20:00:40 GMT
Quite interesting changes. still not sure about the 339 but could I suppose could be useful. But do feel it will suffer when the central line collapses. Also who will operate the 588. But the main bit is where will the extra buses for the 308, 339 and 388 come from. I wonder if the 51 plate Marshall darts will stay on for the extension of the 339.
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Post by Late Again on Jun 12, 2013 20:43:29 GMT
And the results are now out!! I've just had an E mail from TfL about the decisions on the Olympic Park bus routes. Nice to see that nothing I said or proposed has made it in to the end result. There is barely any change to what TfL originally proposed and people wonder why there is cynicism about the consultation process! There is also a fantastically patronising response from TfL about why they can't serve a health centre with a stop outside it and how people need to understand how transport planning works. How that remark ever made it through to publication I know not! But at least the stakeholders did have something to say unlike tower hamlets "London Borough of Tower Hamlets • Replied that they had no comments to make about the proposals." Which is a typical answer from them as they only care about themselves and not there residents. Hackney council had a interesting proposal about extending route 241 to Dalston junction. Wonder if they realise that the 30 goes there.
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Post by Trident on Jun 12, 2013 20:52:22 GMT
What im quite amused about is the ideas people suggested when there's already routes. For example a route from Stratford City to Walthamstow, Crooked Billet? You already have the 97 + there are sufficient links from the Walthamstow area to Stratford courtesy of the 69, 158 & 257 too
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Post by towerman on Jun 14, 2013 15:10:05 GMT
Think the 257 could do with another route between Leytonstone & Walthamstow to help out say a 278 Leytonstone Station to Cinford Mount.There was a plan when Stagecoach took over East London for the 86 to be extended to Walthamstow Central via the 257 route but nothing ever came of it.
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 14, 2013 22:36:56 GMT
Think the 257 could do with another route between Leytonstone & Walthamstow to help out say a 278 Leytonstone Station to Cinford Mount.There was a plan when Stagecoach took over East London for the 86 to be extended to Walthamstow Central via the 257 route but nothing ever came of it. The 257 is fine between Leytonstone - Walthamstow Central. No need for another a otherwise it would make the 257 pointless as well as the new proposed one. No other Route is needed especially as you have the 357 terminating at Whipps Cross in the middle of nowhere which could be easily extended to Leytonstone, but IMO there's no point because the 257 can cope. I personally think the 357 could be made of better use altogether.
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Post by Trident on Jun 17, 2013 19:13:55 GMT
Think the 257 could do with another route between Leytonstone & Walthamstow to help out say a 278 Leytonstone Station to Cinford Mount.There was a plan when Stagecoach took over East London for the 86 to be extended to Walthamstow Central via the 257 route but nothing ever came of it. I dont think the 257 is busy enough to justify additional routes to help between Leytonstone and Walthamstow. If anything I think the W15 & W19 pairing are busier even though they take a long and different routing between Whipps Cross and Leytonstone.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 17, 2013 20:42:11 GMT
I dont think the 257 is busy enough to justify additional routes to help between Leytonstone and Walthamstow. If anything I think the W15 & W19 pairing are busier even though they take a long and different routing between Whipps Cross and Leytonstone. I would agree - there is a never ending queue of people for the W15 and W19 at Walthamstow and at Leytonstone. I have read many reports of them being overwhelmed at Leytonstone by people wanting to get to Whipps Cross in the peaks. I think this is part of the reason for the proposed 339 extension - shame it won't get beyond Leytonstone in the short term due to no stand space.
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Post by mondraker275 on Jun 18, 2013 8:14:11 GMT
I dont think the 257 is busy enough to justify additional routes to help between Leytonstone and Walthamstow. If anything I think the W15 & W19 pairing are busier even though they take a long and different routing between Whipps Cross and Leytonstone. I would agree - there is a never ending queue of people for the W15 and W19 at Walthamstow and at Leytonstone. I have read many reports of them being overwhelmed at Leytonstone by people wanting to get to Whipps Cross in the peaks. I think this is part of the reason for the proposed 339 extension - shame it won't get beyond Leytonstone in the short term due to no stand space. Where's the stand space in Leytonstone for the 339 anyway? Also there is the possibility that in the space of 3/4 years the 339 will get a triple extention!
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Post by snoggle on Jun 18, 2013 9:18:33 GMT
Where's the stand space in Leytonstone for the 339 anyway? Also there is the possibility that in the space of 3/4 years the 339 will get a triple extention! I suspect they will try and squash it in beside the W16 on the western side of Leytonstone Station. It would be very tight but I can't see it running round to the other side as it would take far too long given how slow traffic is on the mad one way system in Leytonstone. It's a pity they can't run it on to stand at, say, Bisterne Av alongside the 230. I know the locals in "Upper" Walthamstow get a bit grumpy but it's not that much further than Whipps Cross roundabout and would allow the extension to proceed.
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