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Post by DT 11 on Jun 18, 2013 9:32:06 GMT
I don't know why they didn't just extend to W16 to Stratford City.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 18, 2013 9:51:37 GMT
I don't know why they didn't just extend to W16 to Stratford City. My guess would be that one of the key reasons for extending the 339 is to relieve the overcrowding between Whipps Cross Hospital and Leytonstone Station. The W16 clearly does not serve the hospital so it does not fix the overcrowding. The other issue is that the W16 is now pretty busy all the time and extending it to Stratford City would make it even more overcrowded. The 339 is not that well used to Stratford City (loads vary IME) and the new section would be brand new territory so the extra capacity would be available for much longer. I suspect, though, that the fully extended 339 would get popular pretty quickly but just going to Leytonstone Stn will be "tumbleweed" territory given there are other buses over much of the route.
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Post by mondraker275 on Jun 18, 2013 12:53:26 GMT
Where's the stand space in Leytonstone for the 339 anyway? Also there is the possibility that in the space of 3/4 years the 339 will get a triple extention! I suspect they will try and squash it in beside the W16 on the western side of Leytonstone Station. It would be very tight but I can't see it running round to the other side as it would take far too long given how slow traffic is on the mad one way system in Leytonstone. It's a pity they can't run it on to stand at, say, Bisterne Av alongside the 230. I know the locals in "Upper" Walthamstow get a bit grumpy but it's not that much further than Whipps Cross roundabout and would allow the extension to proceed. From my extensive experience and use of Leytonstone Station, the West side will be impossible. In the rare occasions you have two W16's parked up, buses struggle to get in, and ofcourse if a 339 parks up behind a W16 and wants to leave, you will have problems. If you are taking the risk of having a tight situation at Leytonstone you might as well have sent the 339 to Whipps Cross. Either way the West side struggles to handle W15, W16 and W19 as it is.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 18, 2013 18:23:48 GMT
I suspect they will try and squash it in beside the W16 on the western side of Leytonstone Station. It would be very tight but I can't see it running round to the other side as it would take far too long given how slow traffic is on the mad one way system in Leytonstone. It's a pity they can't run it on to stand at, say, Bisterne Av alongside the 230. I know the locals in "Upper" Walthamstow get a bit grumpy but it's not that much further than Whipps Cross roundabout and would allow the extension to proceed. From my extensive experience and use of Leytonstone Station, the West side will be impossible. In the rare occasions you have two W16's parked up, buses struggle to get in, and ofcourse if a 339 parks up behind a W16 and wants to leave, you will have problems. If you are taking the risk of having a tight situation at Leytonstone you might as well have sent the 339 to Whipps Cross. Either way the West side struggles to handle W15, W16 and W19 as it is. Yes it is very tight. Ironically when they built that new bus station they widened the pavements where the buses used to stand and removed the ability for buses to stand on Grove Green Road near to the junction with Fairlop Rd. Looking at Google Streetview there is a bay big enough for a bus on Grove Green Rd but it faces towards Leyton so no good for a bus to use as it's on the wrong side of the road when arriving at Leytonstone and beyond the bus station for departures so the 339 couldn't serve a common stop with the W15 for jnys heading down Grove Green Rd.
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Post by Late Again on Jul 4, 2013 11:40:34 GMT
Looks like route 588 will start next Saturday 13th July. And will be run by stagecoach from WH garage.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 4, 2013 16:32:57 GMT
londonbusroutes say the night service on the 205 will be extended to Leyton. No surprise but will this be a N205 or a nights only 205 like the 65 does south of Kingston.
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Post by jrussa on Jul 4, 2013 18:56:15 GMT
According to Londonbusroutes, it seems that Route 339 will be running Parallel with Route 257 from Thatched House to Leytonstone. I think this would reduce the purpose of Route W14, even though it will still have passengers who travel to Cathall Road, Leyton and Asda from Wanstead and Leytonstone. To be honest, I still believe that Route W14 should have been extended to Stratford and I surprised TFL has not utilised Orient Way and Oliver Road.
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Post by Trident on Jul 4, 2013 21:26:37 GMT
According to Londonbusroutes, it seems that Route 339 will be running Parallel with Route 257 from Thatched House to Leytonstone. I think this would reduce the purpose of Route W14, even though it will still have passengers who travel to Cathall Road, Leyton and Asda from Wanstead and Leytonstone. To be honest, I still believe that Route W14 should have been extended to Stratford and I surprised TFL has not utilised Orient Way and Oliver Road. I have a feeling, if it's the case it won't at first serve Grove Green Road when the first phase extension goes ahead then it's probably that stand space is too tight to accomodate the 339 & W16. Whereas on the other side of Leytonstone there is stand space. The problem is that (Thanks to the A12 development), you can't directly access the other side of Leytonstone from Grove Green Road unless you go via Cathall Road or end up passing the low bridge and turning at the Tesco.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 14, 2013 18:22:05 GMT
londonbusroutes say the night service on the 205 will be extended to Leyton. No surprise but will this be a N205 or a nights only 205 like the 65 does south of Kingston. It looks like there will be a N205. I was looking at some bus spider maps yesterday and spotted that Old Street Night Bus map had two versions - up to 30/8/13 and another from 31/8/13. Took me a little while to spot the difference but it was the N205 running to Leyton on the newer map.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 16, 2013 15:43:49 GMT
According to Londonbusroutes, it seems that Route 339 will be running Parallel with Route 257 from Thatched House to Leytonstone. I think this would reduce the purpose of Route W14, even though it will still have passengers who travel to Cathall Road, Leyton and Asda from Wanstead and Leytonstone. To be honest, I still believe that Route W14 should have been extended to Stratford and I surprised TFL has not utilised Orient Way and Oliver Road. I have a feeling, if it's the case it won't at first serve Grove Green Road when the first phase extension goes ahead then it's probably that stand space is too tight to accomodate the 339 & W16. Whereas on the other side of Leytonstone there is stand space. The problem is that (Thanks to the A12 development), you can't directly access the other side of Leytonstone from Grove Green Road unless you go via Cathall Road or end up passing the low bridge and turning at the Tesco. I dropped TfL Consultation a quick E Mail to ask what route the 399 will take to Leytonstone. Mr Munster's website is not correct by saying it will run up Leytonstone High Road. I've pasted below the relevant part of the reply from TfL. "Route 339 will be using the same roads as per the original consultation to Leytonstone station. After leaving Stratford City buses will run via Montfichet Road, International Way, Celebration Avenue, Temple Mills Lane, Crownfield Road, High Road Leytonstone, Cathall Road, Grove Green Road to Leytonstone station (north side). The bus will then stand in a lay-by on the eastern side of Grove Green Road. This will commence on 31 August 2013."
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Post by jrussa on Jul 20, 2013 17:29:26 GMT
I have a feeling, if it's the case it won't at first serve Grove Green Road when the first phase extension goes ahead then it's probably that stand space is too tight to accomodate the 339 & W16. Whereas on the other side of Leytonstone there is stand space. The problem is that (Thanks to the A12 development), you can't directly access the other side of Leytonstone from Grove Green Road unless you go via Cathall Road or end up passing the low bridge and turning at the Tesco. I dropped TfL Consultation a quick E Mail to ask what route the 399 will take to Leytonstone. Mr Munster's website is not correct by saying it will run up Leytonstone High Road. I've pasted below the relevant part of the reply from TfL. "Route 339 will be using the same roads as per the original consultation to Leytonstone station. After leaving Stratford City buses will run via Montfichet Road, International Way, Celebration Avenue, Temple Mills Lane, Crownfield Road, High Road Leytonstone, Cathall Road, Grove Green Road to Leytonstone station (north side). The bus will then stand in a lay-by on the eastern side of Grove Green Road. This will commence on 31 August 2013." It has been modified on www.londonbusroutes.net/changes.htm as of Saturday 20th July 2013...
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Post by snoggle on Jul 20, 2013 17:33:33 GMT
I dropped TfL Consultation a quick E Mail to ask what route the 399 will take to Leytonstone. Mr Munster's website is not correct by saying it will run up Leytonstone High Road. I've pasted below the relevant part of the reply from TfL. "Route 339 will be using the same roads as per the original consultation to Leytonstone station. After leaving Stratford City buses will run via Montfichet Road, International Way, Celebration Avenue, Temple Mills Lane, Crownfield Road, High Road Leytonstone, Cathall Road, Grove Green Road to Leytonstone station (north side). The bus will then stand in a lay-by on the eastern side of Grove Green Road. This will commence on 31 August 2013." It has been modified on www.londonbusroutes.net/changes.htm as of Saturday 20th July 2013... I dropped Mr Munster an E mail with the info from TfL so he could update his info.
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Post by DT 11 on Jul 21, 2013 0:29:13 GMT
What buses will be used to cover the extension?
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Post by snoggle on Jul 21, 2013 12:01:26 GMT
What buses will be used to cover the extension? I read on another discussion group that some old style DM Darts had been put in reserve by First for use on the extended route. I believe those buses have been or will be made available to Tower Transit for the extension. With the lack of a Whipps Cross stand the service will still probably need 1 extra bus when / if that final extension ever happens. I assume there will be a bus available for that. The person who provided the info is well placed to know the detail that I have shared.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 16, 2013 19:10:35 GMT
Another tweak to route 339!
Looks like TfL have had some "representations" made against their decision not to serve a NHS health centre in the Olympic Park. I've just received the following info from the consultation people.
"Discussions have been continuing with London Borough of Newham and the Olympic Delivery Authority (ODA) about improved service for the Sir Ludwig Guttmann Health and Wellbeing Centre with similar concerns shared by NHS, Qatari Diar Delancey and Triathlon Homes. As a result of these further discussions we have decided that route 339 will now directly serve Liberty Bridge Road and the Sir Ludwig Guttmann Health and Wellbeing Centre.
From 31 August 2013, the service will now be routed from Celebration Avenue via Liberty Bridge Road, Leyton Road and Temple Mills Lane to Crownfield Road.
Bus stops will be located on either side of the road near to the health centre."
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