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Post by DT 11 on Feb 8, 2014 22:50:05 GMT
OK. I'm sure many are fed up of entering this thread and seeing this constant argument about 10.5m buses on the 75. IanF; Apologies to bring this up again, but this is a final comment to end this pointless discussion. @batterseaboy, there is no need for this Political discussion please stop it, because it is pointless and annoying. If YOU wish to continue your fuss send PMs to anyone who you wish to discuss it with. A member has already confirmed that 10.5m Tridents have been on the 75 in the past, one member has rode one and I have physically seen one. Why do you feel the need to refuse to believe it and constantly post rejection posts, your making a fuss for no reason over something you can only prove in words stated by a manager. No photo evidence is required, because it has happened and at the time at TL and were blinded. Actions Speak louder than words "Only short 9.9m TAS Tridents did the 75 route, that is a fact." - Source? This is no fact, but just ignorance. "For the last time, a senior manager who was at Stagecoach/Selkent at the time told me otherwise, now why can't you believe that?"Just because you have been told this does not mean it has not happened. A perfect example is the 124 is restricted 8.9m buses and I have physically been and seen 9.4m 34377 on the route, a Scania Omnicity Single decker has done the 138 and I have seen photo proof. Back to topic of Route 136. Does anyone know when the proposal ends for this?
In order to keep this thread on topic, can no one comment further on this subject as it is irrelevant and pointless.
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Post by Mokujin on Feb 8, 2014 23:01:29 GMT
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Post by Nathan on Feb 8, 2014 23:11:56 GMT
Will that even be enough time to prepare for the extension (ordering extra buses, installing blinds etc)? Unless Stagecoach just pull some Tridents out from under the rug temporarily or something...
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 8, 2014 23:21:11 GMT
Will that even be enough time to prepare for the extension (ordering extra buses, installing blinds etc)? Unless Stagecoach just pull some Tridents out from under the rug temporarily or something... I would imagine the extension will not commence until the fleet of new buses for the extension are ready, I think that is what normally happens. Does anyone know if a turning point would possibly be added in North Peckham?
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Post by vjaska on Feb 9, 2014 0:46:01 GMT
Will that even be enough time to prepare for the extension (ordering extra buses, installing blinds etc)? Unless Stagecoach just pull some Tridents out from under the rug temporarily or something... I would imagine the extension will not commence until the fleet of new buses for the extension are ready, I think that is what normally happens. Does anyone know if a turning point would possibly be added in North Peckham? Looking at the map, Cottage Green/Wells Way could be a point where to turn around any bus.
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Post by M1104 on Feb 9, 2014 6:11:36 GMT
I would imagine the extension will not commence until the fleet of new buses for the extension are ready, I think that is what normally happens. Does anyone know if a turning point would possibly be added in North Peckham? Looking at the map, Cottage Green/Wells Way could be a point where to turn around any bus. It could work if there wasn't a traffic island at the Cottage Green/Wells Way junction preventing a large vehicle from making a wide right turn. A possible curtailment could be Thurlow Street, the bus then turning around by going right East Street, left Elsted Street (going into Catesby Street), then left Flint Street for the return journey. Another possible one is Rodney Road where it then turns right into Rodney Place, left into New Kent Road to pick up the southbound journey from the tabernacle stop at the Elephant. Though the curtailments are relatively close to the Elephant it could help in spacing apart buses for the southbound journeys.
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Post by RM5chris on Feb 9, 2014 11:43:02 GMT
MODS MSG I have deleted some posts to stop/prevent further arguments. The thread is being monitored and if arguments continue posts will be deleted or the thread locked.
Debate by all means but keep it friendly.
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Post by southlondonbus on Feb 9, 2014 12:50:17 GMT
I think the extension will go ahead asap if decided yes, with Tridents from the 122 moving to TL temporarily. I wouldn't be surprised if the 372 converts to DD as soon as buses become spare (either Tridents from the 122, 262, 473) or the first ADL Hybrids on the 53 and get the E400s over to the 372 and part 262 first. TFL normally like extensions/DD conversion done ASAP.
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 9, 2014 13:36:11 GMT
I think the extension will go ahead asap if decided yes, with Tridents from the 122 moving to TL temporarily. I wouldn't be surprised if the 372 converts to DD as soon as buses become spare (either Tridents from the 122, 262, 473) or the first ADL Hybrids on the 53 and get the E400s over to the 372 and part 262 first. TFL normally like extensions/DD conversion done ASAP. Why would they use Tridents from the 122 when they are to be disposed of. New buses are on order for the extension, so I would imagine the extension will not commence until the required fleet have been delivered. Plus tridents at Catford I don't think have Elephant & Castle, so would look very unprofessional on the 136, so would go on the 199 in exchange. The E400s are not yet equipped with new blinds either, but on order.
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Post by Nathan on Feb 9, 2014 15:10:33 GMT
I think the extension will go ahead asap if decided yes, with Tridents from the 122 moving to TL temporarily. I wouldn't be surprised if the 372 converts to DD as soon as buses become spare (either Tridents from the 122, 262, 473) or the first ADL Hybrids on the 53 and get the E400s over to the 372 and part 262 first. TFL normally like extensions/DD conversion done ASAP. Why would they use Tridents from the 122 when they are to be disposed of. New buses are on order for the extension? I would imagine the extension will not commence until the required fleet have been delivered. Plus tridents at Catford I don't think have Elephant & Castle, so would look very unprofessional on the 136, so would go on the 199 in exchange. The E400s are not yet equipped with new blinds either, but on order. To be fair, 'Metrobus' has a point. It would be a waste of time, energy and money to put blinds on to older buses. Especially if those buses are to be disposed of/withdrawn in the near future. The cheapest and least wasteful option is to wait for new buses to arrive.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2014 19:29:32 GMT
If/when the route is extended, it will be with Tridents made spare from other conversions - The buses will then be replaced by new buses of a type to be confirmed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2014 20:21:18 GMT
A number of points that need clarifying of have been raised.... Firstly TL will start taking the ADL hybrids from the week after next. They will initially receive 32 for the 54 and 75. Because of the 47 being 'end on' a small number of drivers will initially be trained to operate 2 workings a day (MF) for 2 weeks. With no hiccups, the deliveries will then start to speed up. The buses will be used at TL and PD for driver and engineering training and then to provide the additional vehicles for route 136 until the 54 and 75 commence. During this time deliveries will continue in to TL, PD and BW of E400 and Volvo hybrids (in to PD). The deliveries of Volvo and ADL hybrids in to PD will displace E400s for WH and RM, Scanias to WH and tridents to TL to replace the hybrids on the 136 (as they will be required for the 54 and 75). The Volvos will primarily be allocated to route 53. The hybrids in to BW will go to route 205 to displace the Scanias to the 277 to displace tridents around the company/for disposal. The deliveries of the NRMs for route 8 will also displace tridents that will return to the leasing company and make BW trident free, along with RM. By about the same time hopefully. PD will then receive the rest of its hybrid allocation (actually the 205 order) later in the summer/early autumn. Why the change of plan? This allocation gives the 205 it's hybrids earlier, provides a comparison of performance between Euro 6 and Euro 5 ADL hybrids at BW, Euro 6 hybrids and Euro 6 diesels at TL and Volvo and ADL Euro 6 hybrids at PD. Just a few vehicle moves to have planned and keep track of over the next 6 moths or so.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2014 20:35:26 GMT
A number of points that need clarifying of have been raised.... Firstly TL will start taking the ADL hybrids from the week after next. They will initially receive 32 for the 54 and 75. Because of the 47 being 'end on' a small number of drivers will initially be trained to operate 2 workings a day (MF) for 2 weeks. With no hiccups, the deliveries will then start to speed up. The buses will be used at TL and PD for driver and engineering training and then to provide the additional vehicles for route 136 until the 54 and 75 commence. During this time deliveries will continue in to TL, PD and BW of E400 and Volvo hybrids (in to PD). The deliveries of Volvo and ADL hybrids in to PD will displace E400s for WH and RM, Scanias to WH and tridents to TL to replace the hybrids on the 136 (as they will be required for the 54 and 75). The Volvos will primarily be allocated to route 53. The hybrids in to BW will go to route 205 to displace the Scanias to the 277 to displace tridents around the company/for disposal. The deliveries of the NRMs for route 8 will also displace tridents that will return to the leasing company and make BW trident free, along with RM. By about the same time hopefully. PD will then receive the rest of its hybrid allocation (actually the 205 order) later in the summer/early autumn. Why the change of plan? This allocation gives the 205 it's hybrids earlier, provides a comparison of performance between Euro 6 and Euro 5 ADL hybrids at BW, Euro 6 hybrids and Euro 6 diesels at TL and Volvo and ADL Euro 6 hybrids at PD. Just a few vehicle moves to have planned and keep track of over the next 6 moths or so..... Thanks for this - my head hurts now but at least we know
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 12, 2014 21:06:37 GMT
A number of points that need clarifying of have been raised.... Firstly TL will start taking the ADL hybrids from the week after next. They will initially receive 32 for the 54 and 75. Because of the 47 being 'end on' a small number of drivers will initially be trained to operate 2 workings a day (MF) for 2 weeks. With no hiccups, the deliveries will then start to speed up. The buses will be used at TL and PD for driver and engineering training and then to provide the additional vehicles for route 136 until the 54 and 75 commence. During this time deliveries will continue in to TL, PD and BW of E400 and Volvo hybrids (in to PD). The deliveries of Volvo and ADL hybrids in to PD will displace E400s for WH and RM, Scanias to WH and tridents to TL to replace the hybrids on the 136 (as they will be required for the 54 and 75). The Volvos will primarily be allocated to route 53. The hybrids in to BW will go to route 205 to displace the Scanias to the 277 to displace tridents around the company/for disposal. The deliveries of the NRMs for route 8 will also displace tridents that will return to the leasing company and make BW trident free, along with RM. By about the same time hopefully. PD will then receive the rest of its hybrid allocation (actually the 205 order) later in the summer/early autumn. Why the change of plan? This allocation gives the 205 it's hybrids earlier, provides a comparison of performance between Euro 6 and Euro 5 ADL hybrids at BW, Euro 6 hybrids and Euro 6 diesels at TL and Volvo and ADL Euro 6 hybrids at PD. Just a few vehicle moves to have planned and keep track of over the next 6 moths or so..... So when Can We expect the Volvos to be on the 53? Also I am surprised the ADL hybrids are going to TL in the end
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2014 21:10:37 GMT
A number of points that need clarifying of have been raised.... Firstly TL will start taking the ADL hybrids from the week after next. They will initially receive 32 for the 54 and 75. Because of the 47 being 'end on' a small number of drivers will initially be trained to operate 2 workings a day (MF) for 2 weeks. With no hiccups, the deliveries will then start to speed up. The buses will be used at TL and PD for driver and engineering training and then to provide the additional vehicles for route 136 until the 54 and 75 commence. During this time deliveries will continue in to TL, PD and BW of E400 and Volvo hybrids (in to PD). The deliveries of Volvo and ADL hybrids in to PD will displace E400s for WH and RM, Scanias to WH and tridents to TL to replace the hybrids on the 136 (as they will be required for the 54 and 75). The Volvos will primarily be allocated to route 53. The hybrids in to BW will go to route 205 to displace the Scanias to the 277 to displace tridents around the company/for disposal. The deliveries of the NRMs for route 8 will also displace tridents that will return to the leasing company and make BW trident free, along with RM. By about the same time hopefully. PD will then receive the rest of its hybrid allocation (actually the 205 order) later in the summer/early autumn. Why the change of plan? This allocation gives the 205 it's hybrids earlier, provides a comparison of performance between Euro 6 and Euro 5 ADL hybrids at BW, Euro 6 hybrids and Euro 6 diesels at TL and Volvo and ADL Euro 6 hybrids at PD. Just a few vehicle moves to have planned and keep track of over the next 6 moths or so..... So when Can We expect the Volvos to be on the 53? Also I am surprised the ADL hybrids are going to TL in the end Volvo's for the 53!!!!!!!!!!!!!!yippie they will make a change from the E400's
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