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Post by DT 11 on May 16, 2014 12:05:30 GMT
The 42 needs double deckers regardless of any extension. I doubt Crystal Palace would have space to accommodate any more routes Another possibility could be in conjunction with other proposals, eg extending the 363 to Elmer's End. Or extend the 432 there, then 363 to Anerley, providing space for buses at Crystal Palace. I personally would leave the 363 as it is. All this would probably require adding an extra few buses to the PVR which I doubt TFL would even bother funding, unfortunately. Tbh I think many South London Single decker routes urgently need double Deckers as well as some which cannot take them frequency increases. Not being biased, but I personally couldn't care less for other parts of London at the moment, because services bus & train are very frequent, but down South we have the worst train links in all of London, but excellent bus links which are all quite busy and getting busier. Buses are more Frequent than SouthFailstern Trains. In addition some Night Services down here need frequency increases as they are becoming overcrowded at certain times in the morning. The Elmers End Interchange stand was pretty busy with the 75 standing there for a full week so I personally wouldn't have any more routes standing there unless it is Elmers End Green.
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Post by DT 11 on May 16, 2014 12:17:15 GMT
Another possibility could be in conjunction with other proposals, eg extending the 363 to Elmer's End. Or extend the 432 there, then 363 to Anerley, providing space for buses at Crystal Palace. I personally would leave the 363 as it is. All this would probably require adding an extra few buses to the PVR which I doubt TFL would even bother funding, unfortunately. Tbh I think many South London Single decker routes urgently need double Deckers as well as some which cannot take them frequency increases. Not being biased, but I personally couldn't care less for other parts of London at the moment, because services bus & train are very frequent, but down South we have the worst train links in all of London, but excellent bus links which are all quite busy and getting busier. Buses are more Frequent than SouthFailstern Trains. In addition some Night Services down here need frequency increases as they are becoming overcrowded at certain times in the morning. The Elmers End Interchange stand was pretty busy with the 75 standing there for a full week so I personally wouldn't have any more routes standing there unless it is Elmers End Green. In addition Low Frequency Services in South London will eventually become non existent. I've yet to see the 225 frequency increased to every 10 mins, I doubt it will be long before the 273 starts running every 12 mins. In the Bromley area. My first choice is the 162 which is the busiest low frequency single decker route in all of Bromley.
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Post by vjaska on May 16, 2014 12:33:16 GMT
Another possibility could be in conjunction with other proposals, eg extending the 363 to Elmer's End. Or extend the 432 there, then 363 to Anerley, providing space for buses at Crystal Palace. I personally would leave the 363 as it is. All this would probably require adding an extra few buses to the PVR which I doubt TFL would even bother funding, unfortunately. Tbh I think many South London Single decker routes urgently need double Deckers as well as some which cannot take them frequency increases. Not being biased, but I personally couldn't care less for other parts of London at the moment, because services bus & train are very frequent, but down South we have the worst train links in all of London, but excellent bus links which are all quite busy and getting busier. Buses are more Frequent than SouthFailstern Trains. In addition some Night Services down here need frequency increases as they are becoming overcrowded at certain times in the morning. The Elmers End Interchange stand was pretty busy with the 75 standing there for a full week so I personally wouldn't have any more routes standing there unless it is Elmers End Green. Personally, I don't think they thought through the Elmers End Interchange properly - an interchange to me is a place you change from one mode of transport to another and/or jump between the same mode of transport, all in one place. The 356 & 367 serves the roads outside - not a very good interchange if you ask me. I reckon you could squeeze one more route into the interchange with the 432 being the ideal route. The 322 could be extended to Anerley (I would champion the 417 but it's reliability issues need to be sorted first) and the 40 fitted in to Crystal Palace. The 40 could terminate on the side which holds the 3, 157, 227, 322, 358, 410 & 417. I like 'ob1234' 42 proposal to East Dulwich Station, including the routing via North Dulwich Station - nice proposal.
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Post by sid on May 16, 2014 17:36:52 GMT
Another possibility could be in conjunction with other proposals, eg extending the 363 to Elmer's End. Or extend the 432 there, then 363 to Anerley, providing space for buses at Crystal Palace. I personally would leave the 363 as it is. All this would probably require adding an extra few buses to the PVR which I doubt TFL would even bother funding, unfortunately. Tbh I think many South London Single decker routes urgently need double Deckers as well as some which cannot take them frequency increases. Not being biased, but I personally couldn't care less for other parts of London at the moment, because services bus & train are very frequent, but down South we have the worst train links in all of London, but excellent bus links which are all quite busy and getting busier. Buses are more Frequent than SouthFailstern Trains. In addition some Night Services down here need frequency increases as they are becoming overcrowded at certain times in the morning. The Elmers End Interchange stand was pretty busy with the 75 standing there for a full week so I personally wouldn't have any more routes standing there unless it is Elmers End Green. Any route extended from the palace could go into the interchange and then stand at the green. Surely the 202 will get double deckers when it is retendered?
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Post by DT 11 on May 16, 2014 18:29:21 GMT
I personally would leave the 363 as it is. All this would probably require adding an extra few buses to the PVR which I doubt TFL would even bother funding, unfortunately. Tbh I think many South London Single decker routes urgently need double Deckers as well as some which cannot take them frequency increases. Not being biased, but I personally couldn't care less for other parts of London at the moment, because services bus & train are very frequent, but down South we have the worst train links in all of London, but excellent bus links which are all quite busy and getting busier. Buses are more Frequent than SouthFailstern Trains. In addition some Night Services down here need frequency increases as they are becoming overcrowded at certain times in the morning. The Elmers End Interchange stand was pretty busy with the 75 standing there for a full week so I personally wouldn't have any more routes standing there unless it is Elmers End Green. Any route extended from the palace could go into the interchange and then stand at the green. Elmers End Interchange or should I say Elmers End Hardtochange isn't really built for that, Addington Village is what I call a real Interchange. There is a bus stop opposite the interchange served by the 356 so really there is no point imo, plus that part of Elmers End is slightly traffic prone so it really isn't worth it. The 356 itself doesn't even serve the Interchange, I personally wouldn't see the difference if it did, the route is lightly used allover, unlike it's sister the 354. It's probably why the 289 was withdrawn from Elmers End Green and diverted to the bus stand. The whole idea is an easier place to change from the Tramlink to a bus, mainly the 54. Really just a bus stand not even an interchange. The new standing arrangements are a lot better when the 54 used to begin from Elmers End Tesco Imo.
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Post by sid on May 16, 2014 19:16:38 GMT
Any route extended from the palace could go into the interchange and then stand at the green. Elmers End Interchange or should I say Elmers End Hardtochange isn't really built for that, Addington Village is what I call a real Interchange. There is a bus stop opposite the interchange served by the 356 so really there is no point imo, plus that part of Elmers End is slightly traffic prone so it really isn't worth it. The 356 itself doesn't even serve the Interchange, I personally wouldn't see the difference if it did, the route is lightly used allover, unlike it's sister the 354. It's probably why the 289 was withdrawn from Elmers End Green and diverted to the bus stand. The whole idea is an easier place to change from the Tramlink to a bus, mainly the 54. Really just a bus stand not even an interchange. The new standing arrangements are a lot better when the 54 used to begin from Elmers End Tesco Imo. There is probably space on the other side of the station to build a modest 'interchange' for any routes from Crystal Palace which would be better than going to the green and getting stuck in the queue to turn right on the way back, there's not much in Elmers End anyway apart from the station and Tesco.
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Post by Nathan on May 28, 2014 19:18:06 GMT
Swap Routes 1 and 176 between Lancaster Place and Tottenham Court Road (i.e. Route 1 to go via Charing Cross/Trafalgar Square, and 176 via Holborn). I think this might benefits the 176 as there may not be so many short turns. But I don't know about that. Its just a guess. I'm only suggesting this because I personally thing the 1 is WAY too short. Especially seeing as its the ONE Sent from my Nexus 4 using proboards
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Post by DT 11 on May 28, 2014 21:25:38 GMT
Swap Routes 1 and 176 between Lancaster Place and Tottenham Court Road (i.e. Route 1 to go via Charing Cross/Trafalgar Square, and 176 via Holborn). I think this might benefits the 176 as there may not be so many short turns. But I don't know about that. Its just a guess. I'm only suggesting this because I personally thing the 1 is WAY too short. Especially seeing as its the ONE Sent from my Nexus 4 using proboards I always thought the 1 could be extended to Bellingham, Catford Bus Garage replacing the 199, just so the 1 can serve Lewisham again.
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Post by Nathan on May 28, 2014 21:46:00 GMT
Swap Routes 1 and 176 between Lancaster Place and Tottenham Court Road (i.e. Route 1 to go via Charing Cross/Trafalgar Square, and 176 via Holborn). I think this might benefits the 176 as there may not be so many short turns. But I don't know about that. Its just a guess. I'm only suggesting this because I personally thing the 1 is WAY too short. Especially seeing as its the ONE Sent from my Nexus 4 using proboards I always thought the 1 could be extended to Bellingham, Catford Bus Garage replacing the 199, just so the 1 can serve Lewisham again. Lol yeah, that too could work. But my idea was to make it so that the 1 goes through Trafalgar Square, the VERY centre of London.
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Post by londontravel on May 28, 2014 21:56:29 GMT
I would re route 129 via route 188 to north greenwich then via route 108 to blackheath royal standard , this would give extra capacity between blackheath and north greenwich as most people use the 108 instead of 422 due to traffic on woolwich rd . The section that would no longer be served would still be covered by routes 286 and 422. Id also like to see larger single deckers on route 178 as this struggles in the peak hours towards Kidbrooke and frequently has to pass stops due to overcrowding .
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 22:06:29 GMT
A new one added to my local bus service manifesto:
57 - EXTEND NIGHT SERVICE TO BRIXTON
Run from Atkins Road via Kings Avenue and Acre Lane. Clapham Park has no night service to Brixton despite it being the main local centre to the area, with connections during the day provided by the 45 and 355. A night extension of the 24-hour 57 would be an easy way to provide this and would be less disruptive than rerouting one of the Brixton Hill services to run via Kings Avenue.
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Post by LX09FBJ on May 28, 2014 22:48:10 GMT
Swap Routes 1 and 176 between Lancaster Place and Tottenham Court Road (i.e. Route 1 to go via Charing Cross/Trafalgar Square, and 176 via Holborn). I think this might benefits the 176 as there may not be so many short turns. But I don't know about that. Its just a guess. I'm only suggesting this because I personally thing the 1 is WAY too short. Especially seeing as its the ONE Sent from my Nexus 4 using proboards IMHO the 1 should run from Willesden Garage (as a terminus, not necessarily from AC itself)
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Post by LX09FBJ on May 28, 2014 22:50:11 GMT
A new one added to my local bus service manifesto: 57 - EXTEND NIGHT SERVICE TO BRIXTON Run from Atkins Road via Kings Road and Acre Lane. Clapham Park has no night service to Brixton despite it being the main local centre to the area, with connections during the day provided by the 45 and 355. A night extension of the 24-hour 57 would be an easy way to provide this and would be less disruptive than rerouting one of the Brixton Hill services to rub via Kings Road. Personally I would like to see the entire route extended to Brixton, could add more links to Wimbledon and Tooting, especially with capacity issues on the 355.
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Post by Connor on May 28, 2014 23:19:54 GMT
A new one added to my local bus service manifesto: 57 - EXTEND NIGHT SERVICE TO BRIXTON Run from Atkins Road via Kings Road and Acre Lane. Clapham Park has no night service to Brixton despite it being the main local centre to the area, with connections during the day provided by the 45 and 355. A night extension of the 24-hour 57 would be an easy way to provide this and would be less disruptive than rerouting one of the Brixton Hill services to rub via Kings Road. Personally I would like to see the entire route extended to Brixton, could add more links to Wimbledon and Tooting, especially with capacity issues on the 355. Not this again!!! The 333 runs parallel to the already long 57 between the busy Tooting-Streatham Hill section, interchange between the two routes is very easy and both are high frequency routes. Extending the 57 would just be an over kill, despite the 'links' created. I'd simply double deck the 355 and slightly up the frequency. For the night service, create a new N355, similar to the regular 355, but with a different terminus at the southern end of the route; Wimbledon or New Malden...
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Post by Nathan on May 28, 2014 23:32:06 GMT
Swap Routes 1 and 176 between Lancaster Place and Tottenham Court Road (i.e. Route 1 to go via Charing Cross/Trafalgar Square, and 176 via Holborn). I think this might benefits the 176 as there may not be so many short turns. But I don't know about that. Its just a guess. I'm only suggesting this because I personally thing the 1 is WAY too short. Especially seeing as its the ONE Sent from my Nexus 4 using proboards IMHO the 1 should run from Willesden Garage (as a terminus, not necessarily from AC itself) Wait, why Willesden? That's a random place to choose
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