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Post by vjaska on Jan 21, 2014 20:23:29 GMT
The ice rink is gone, a large Tesco's now stands there A new replacement ice rink has been opened, opposite to the 'Streatham United Reformed Church' bus stop. With the temporary one in Brixton having closed.
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Post by bengady3 on Jan 21, 2014 20:27:59 GMT
Ridcoulous IMO, why does Streatham need more night links into Croydon. There is already a 20 minute link? Thats enough. Anyway, why is Streatham so special? It is one of the GLA's major centres, which with Brixton and Tooting are the only ones on the A23 and A24 corridors between central London and Croydon and Sutton. So it has a large catchment as a shopping and entertainment destination. This includes a fast growing nightlife scene with high end restaurants and bars, as well as the only ice rink in south London and the only multiplex cinema within the area bounded by Croydon, Wimbledon, Brixton, Peckham, Bromley, and Thornton Heath. Streatham also provides useful connections from Croydon to other night routes including the N133 to the city, N137 to Clapham and west London. It is also a big residential area that provides a lot of commuters into Croydon that would use night services as well as being a major employer in its own right, including a railway depot that obviously uses night workers. For my extensions: 50 from Stockwell to Vauxhall - the current terminus is as good as the middle of nowhere unless it is somewhere you specifically want to go, while Vauxhall provides numerous useful connections into central and south west London. 60 from Streatham Station to Streatham Hill Station - discussed many times on here, but it terminates short of central Streatham and its amenities. With the 255 extension finally happening the stand above the station. 249 from Anerley to Elmer's End - there is no route currently making this link, and would provide a connection to tram and train services. I would also change the terminus from Clapham Common to Clapham Junction which though a round the corner link anyway, I would reroute it from Clapham South via the Avenue. 333 from Tooting Broadway to St George's Hospital - although the local hospital that services Streatham, there is no bus service to it from central Streatham or Streatham Hill. 417 from Crystal Palace to Penge - there are no buses crossing east to west through Crystal Palace and this would give Penge a useful link into south west London. I am not sure I consider Clapham Junction to Streatham as being round the corner, but I completely agree with the suggestions of extending the N19 over the 319. This is the most needed to any extension in my opinion, with a large area of south London without any access to a night bus. Although I am sure it can be done in 10 minutes as I once caught a 319 from Sloane Square to Streatham that did it in under 20 minutes, although that was at 6:15am on a Sunday morning when it was still a single decker route. I would say route 417 to Lower Sydenham not Penge to be honest
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Post by VPL630 on Jan 21, 2014 20:42:03 GMT
498 To Brentwood Station
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 21, 2014 20:46:44 GMT
Ridcoulous IMO, why does Streatham need more night links into Croydon. There is already a 20 minute link? Thats enough. Anyway, why is Streatham so special? It is one of the GLA's major centres, which with Brixton and Tooting are the only ones on the A23 and A24 corridors between central London and Croydon and Sutton. So it has a large catchment as a shopping and entertainment destination. This includes a fast growing nightlife scene with high end restaurants and bars, as well as the only ice rink in south London and the only multiplex cinema within the area bounded by Croydon, Wimbledon, Brixton, Peckham, Bromley, and Thornton Heath. Streatham also provides useful connections from Croydon to other night routes including the N133 to the city, N137 to Clapham and west London. It is also a big residential area that provides a lot of commuters into Croydon that would use night services as well as being a major employer in its own right, including a railway depot that obviously uses night workers. For my extensions: 50 from Stockwell to Vauxhall - the current terminus is as good as the middle of nowhere unless it is somewhere you specifically want to go, while Vauxhall provides numerous useful connections into central and south west London. 60 from Streatham Station to Streatham Hill Station - discussed many times on here, but it terminates short of central Streatham and its amenities. With the 255 extension finally happening the stand above the station. 249 from Anerley to Elmer's End - there is no route currently making this link, and would provide a connection to tram and train services. I would also change the terminus from Clapham Common to Clapham Junction which though a round the corner link anyway, I would reroute it from Clapham South via the Avenue. 333 from Tooting Broadway to St George's Hospital - although the local hospital that services Streatham, there is no bus service to it from central Streatham or Streatham Hill. 417 from Crystal Palace to Penge - there are no buses crossing east to west through Crystal Palace and this would give Penge a useful link into south west London. I am not sure I consider Clapham Junction to Streatham as being round the corner, but I completely agree with the suggestions of extending the N19 over the 319. This is the most needed to any extension in my opinion, with a large area of south London without any access to a night bus. Although I am sure it can be done in 10 minutes as I once caught a 319 from Sloane Square to Streatham that did it in under 20 minutes, although that was at 6:15am on a Sunday morning when it was still a single decker route. I would extend the 417 to Elmers End, but Elmers End Green stand over the 249 as the 249 does have reliability issues. When the 75 was terminating at Elmers End a couple of weeks ago the Interchange was cramped with buses, so I personally would leave it as 54 & 289 only.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 21, 2014 20:55:12 GMT
The right hand bus only turn in Peckham Road was removed a few years ago so probably wont happen at all. Actually that right turn was only removed late last year when the road junction was refurbished involving new set of traffic lights, which coincided with the road resurfacing of Peckham Road, Peckham high-street and Queens Road. Prior to its removal that right turn lane was permanently blocked off with the relevant traffic lights permanently covered, believed to still be working all that time over the years. Replying to my own post, it's a pity that the right turn has been removed as the 345 could have been rerouted.... right into Kelly Avenue, left commercial way, right Chandler way, left St Georges way, left Wells way, left Southampton way, back onto Peckham Road ....basically to a similar fashion to the 200 which comes off Church Road via Phipps Bridge back onto Church Road.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 21, 2014 21:11:31 GMT
It is one of the GLA's major centres, which with Brixton and Tooting are the only ones on the A23 and A24 corridors between central London and Croydon and Sutton. So it has a large catchment as a shopping and entertainment destination. This includes a fast growing nightlife scene with high end restaurants and bars, as well as the only ice rink in south London and the only multiplex cinema within the area bounded by Croydon, Wimbledon, Brixton, Peckham, Bromley, and Thornton Heath. Streatham also provides useful connections from Croydon to other night routes including the N133 to the city, N137 to Clapham and west London. It is also a big residential area that provides a lot of commuters into Croydon that would use night services as well as being a major employer in its own right, including a railway depot that obviously uses night workers. For my extensions: 50 from Stockwell to Vauxhall - the current terminus is as good as the middle of nowhere unless it is somewhere you specifically want to go, while Vauxhall provides numerous useful connections into central and south west London. 60 from Streatham Station to Streatham Hill Station - discussed many times on here, but it terminates short of central Streatham and its amenities. With the 255 extension finally happening the stand above the station. 249 from Anerley to Elmer's End - there is no route currently making this link, and would provide a connection to tram and train services. I would also change the terminus from Clapham Common to Clapham Junction which though a round the corner link anyway, I would reroute it from Clapham South via the Avenue. 333 from Tooting Broadway to St George's Hospital - although the local hospital that services Streatham, there is no bus service to it from central Streatham or Streatham Hill. 417 from Crystal Palace to Penge - there are no buses crossing east to west through Crystal Palace and this would give Penge a useful link into south west London. I am not sure I consider Clapham Junction to Streatham as being round the corner, but I completely agree with the suggestions of extending the N19 over the 319. This is the most needed to any extension in my opinion, with a large area of south London without any access to a night bus. Although I am sure it can be done in 10 minutes as I once caught a 319 from Sloane Square to Streatham that did it in under 20 minutes, although that was at 6:15am on a Sunday morning when it was still a single decker route. I would extend the 417 to Elmers End, but Elmers End Green stand over the 249 as the 249 does have reliability issues. When the 75 was terminating at Elmers End a couple of weeks ago the Interchange was cramped with buses, so I personally would leave it as 54 & 289 only. The 417 isn't much better TBH - I'd still extend the 432 before either the 249 & 417 as it would open up many new links to places beyond Palace & the 432 is quite a reliable route.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 8:12:40 GMT
I would extend the 417 to Elmers End, but Elmers End Green stand over the 249 as the 249 does have reliability issues. When the 75 was terminating at Elmers End a couple of weeks ago the Interchange was cramped with buses, so I personally would leave it as 54 & 289 only. The 417 isn't much better TBH - I'd still extend the 432 before either the 249 & 417 as it would open up many new links to places beyond Palace & the 432 is quite a reliable route. The 417 could go to Lower Sydenham via Penge if you sent it via Anerley Rd . My idea would be as you say , extend 249 or 432 to Elmers End but then extend the 176 to Anerley Station Stand
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 10:06:30 GMT
The 417 could go to Lower Sydenham via Penge if you sent it via Anerley Rd . That is an interesting idea, but is there a need to continue to loop around to Lower Sydenham with two buses already connecting Lower Sydenham and Penge, one from the Anerley Road junction. I only chose the 249 to Elmer's End as it is a very short and simple extension, and then the 417 to Penge as it is a large-ish area which would benefit from the links the route would bring, plus it could still serve the bus station at Crystal Palace so not break any connections there.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Jan 22, 2014 17:18:28 GMT
64 to Streatham via the A23. PVR increased to 16. Frequency reduced to every 10 minutes. Also, N64 should too be extended to Streatham as it would provide more night links to Croydon which are needed. PVR should be increased to 4. Consequently, 109's PVR should be increased to 27 with this extension in hand as well. Agree with this seeing as it was my idea lool. Only bit I don't agree with is a PVR increase for the 109 - personally I'd wouldn't but other than that, completely agree. I saw a Metrobus Olympus in Norbury yesterday afternoon coming from Streatham towards Croydon. Hmm...driver route learning perhaps?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 17:36:32 GMT
The 417 could go to Lower Sydenham via Penge if you sent it via Anerley Rd . That is an interesting idea, but is there a need to continue to loop around to Lower Sydenham with two buses already connecting Lower Sydenham and Penge, one from the Anerley Road junction. I only chose the 249 to Elmer's End as it is a very short and simple extension, and then the 417 to Penge as it is a large-ish area which would benefit from the links the route would bring, plus it could still serve the bus station at Crystal Palace so not break any connections there. I agree , already sufficient links between Penge and Lower Sydenham. Terminate 417 at Crooked Billet. Extend the 354 to the current 176 stand and extend 176 to Anerley Station and the 249 to Elmers End Green ?
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Post by vjaska on Jan 22, 2014 18:39:17 GMT
That is an interesting idea, but is there a need to continue to loop around to Lower Sydenham with two buses already connecting Lower Sydenham and Penge, one from the Anerley Road junction. I only chose the 249 to Elmer's End as it is a very short and simple extension, and then the 417 to Penge as it is a large-ish area which would benefit from the links the route would bring, plus it could still serve the bus station at Crystal Palace so not break any connections there. I agree , already sufficient links between Penge and Lower Sydenham. Terminate 417 at Crooked Billet. Extend the 354 to the current 176 stand and extend 176 to Anerley Station and the 249 to Elmers End Green ? The 249 is not as reliable though, possibly because of all the traffic it faces at Clapham South, Balham and Streatham, whereas the 432 is run well and hits less traffic. The 432 could be extended to Elmers End instead which opens up new links, especially if it was linked to an extension over the 415 to Elephant & the Surrey Canal area.
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Post by moz on Jan 23, 2014 15:10:06 GMT
I agree , already sufficient links between Penge and Lower Sydenham. Terminate 417 at Crooked Billet. Extend the 354 to the current 176 stand and extend 176 to Anerley Station and the 249 to Elmers End Green ? The 249 is not as reliable though, possibly because of all the traffic it faces at Clapham South, Balham and Streatham, whereas the 432 is run well and hits less traffic. The 432 could be extended to Elmers End instead which opens up new links, especially if it was linked to an extension over the 415 to Elephant & the Surrey Canal area. If you're going to send the 432 straight down the hill to Elmers End Green then you may as well push it through to Beckenham Junction which could help ease loadings on the 227. It'd be fun to see a DLA try and climb through from Elmers End to Palace, though, as the difference in elevation is about 250 feet! Moz
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Post by vjaska on Jan 25, 2014 2:41:42 GMT
Don't think this one has been mentioned before
Extend the 202 to Norwood Junction via Church Road towards Norwood Junction (via Church Road, Westow Street & Westow Hill towards Blackheath), South Norwood Hill, High Street & Grosvenor Road terminating with the 130 & 196. Although, traffic & passenger usage wouldn't be very heavy, it provides the quickest routing to Crystal Palace allowing the 410 to concentrate on Harris & Auckland Road & the 157 to concentrate on Croydon Road & Anerley. It also gives Norwood Junction new links northwards as currently, buses either terminate at Crystal Palace (157 & 410) or head to West Norwood & beyond (196). This extension shouldn't add on more than 10 minutes & also could go ahead without capacity issues as the MCV's would cope adequately (though the route sorely needs DD's further down). This proposal would only go ahead with an extension of the 130 to Thornton Heath as the stand on Grosvenor Road can be full at times. Another option regarding stand space would be to run it under the railway bridge and stand with the 312 though this would cause a problem if the 202 was converted to DD's.
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Post by Mokujin on Jan 28, 2014 16:46:52 GMT
Extend route C10 to Surrey Quays Station via Rotherhithe Police Station and Surrey Quays Shopping Centre (when heading to Surrey Quays) The route can terminate at Lower Road / Surrey Quays Station bus stop and pick up passengers at Surrey Quays Station bus stop.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 28, 2014 20:53:35 GMT
Schoolbus 659: Mitcham Tram Station - West Dulwich Station
via the 201 routing but diverted at Tulse Hill via Norwood Road and Croxted Road.
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