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Post by COBO on Jun 13, 2019 11:08:40 GMT
These are just old routes rehashed nothing new about them. The fact is more people in Central L8ndon use tube its quick and convenient. We dont need a bus from Livberpool Street to Oxford Circus or Hammersmith to Victoria direct. Why is there no day route from Ealing to Central London? Because people use the tube or National Rail. So all these fantasy routes are just that -fantasy Well this is a fantasy thread. Not everyone can use tube and not everyone wants use the tube. These are alternatives to the Tube.
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 13, 2019 11:19:25 GMT
These are just old routes rehashed nothing new about them. The fact is more people in Central L8ndon use tube its quick and convenient. We dont need a bus from Livberpool Street to Oxford Circus or Hammersmith to Victoria direct. Why is there no day route from Ealing to Central London? Because people use the tube or National Rail. So all these fantasy routes are just that -fantasy Well this is a fantasy thread. Not everyone can use tube and not everyone wants use the tube. These are alternatives to the Tube. But does TfL have the requirement to bow to everyone's wants. If it supplies a link and you dont want to use it dont, but dont live with the expectation some alternative arrangements will be made. The choice is yours!
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Post by COBO on Jun 13, 2019 11:22:53 GMT
Well this is a fantasy thread. Not everyone can use tube and not everyone wants use the tube. These are alternatives to the Tube. But does TfL have the requirement to bow to everyone's wants. If it supplies a link and you dont want to use it dont, but dont live with the expectation some alternative arrangements will be made. The choice is yours! Doesn’t everyone have a right to travel.
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 13, 2019 11:49:15 GMT
But does TfL have the requirement to bow to everyone's wants. If it supplies a link and you dont want to use it dont, but dont live with the expectation some alternative arrangements will be made. The choice is yours! Doesn’t everyone have a right to travel. Yes, but not by every means possible. As you said they can travel by tube ... if they dont want to take up that right to travel that is their freedom of choice ... and have chosen not to use that right
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Post by COBO on Jun 13, 2019 14:23:08 GMT
H15
Running between Oldfield Circus and Clamp Hill.
Via:
Oldfield Circus Whitton Avenue West Pett’s Hill Alexandra Avenue Rayners Lane Rayners Lane Station Village Way East Imperial Drive Station Road North Harrow Station Parkside Way Headstone Gardens Harrow View Courtenay Avenue Long Elms Harrow Weald High Road Harrow Weald Brookshill Clamp Hill
Purpose: To link Oldfield Circus with Stanmore.
Using: Electric Single Deckers.
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Post by george on Jun 13, 2019 17:55:31 GMT
These are just old routes rehashed nothing new about them. The fact is more people in Central L8ndon use tube its quick and convenient. We dont need a bus from Livberpool Street to Oxford Circus or Hammersmith to Victoria direct. Why is there no day route from Ealing to Central London? Because people use the tube or National Rail. So all these fantasy routes are just that -fantasy Spot on, whether you like it or not most people are going to to chose a tube over a bus and who can blame them. Go on the 45 from Kings cross to Elephant and castle in the day outside of peak and I can guarantee that nearly all the seats will be empty. I get the 17 fairly regularly from Ludgate Hill to London bridge and I've never been on a 17 that has had more than 5 people on it. Of course you are going to get routes that are busy but if you was to do survey on people saying if you had a choice between a bus or a tube to get you from Ealing Broadway to Central London, I'm sure the vast majority will chose the tube. No one likes route cuts but to be fair some of these upcoming cuts do make sense, the routes aren't making money that's the reality of it.
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Post by COBO on Jun 13, 2019 18:01:28 GMT
These are just old routes rehashed nothing new about them. The fact is more people in Central L8ndon use tube its quick and convenient. We dont need a bus from Livberpool Street to Oxford Circus or Hammersmith to Victoria direct. Why is there no day route from Ealing to Central London? Because people use the tube or National Rail. So all these fantasy routes are just that -fantasy Spot on, whether you like it or not most people are going to to chose a tube over a bus and who can blame them. Go on the 45 from Kings cross to Elephant and castle in the day outside of peak and I can guarantee that nearly all the seats will be empty. I get the 17 fairly regularly from Ludgate Hill to London bridge and I've never been on a 17 that has had more than 5 people on it. Of course you are going to get routes that are busy but if you was to do survey on people saying if you had a choice between a bus or a tube to get you from Ealing Broadway to Central London, I'm sure the vast majority will chose the tube. No one likes route cuts but to be fair some of these upcoming cuts do make sense, the routes aren't making money that's the reality of it. Do they really make sense?
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Post by george on Jun 13, 2019 18:07:14 GMT
Spot on, whether you like it or not most people are going to to chose a tube over a bus and who can blame them. Go on the 45 from Kings cross to Elephant and castle in the day outside of peak and I can guarantee that nearly all the seats will be empty. I get the 17 fairly regularly from Ludgate Hill to London bridge and I've never been on a 17 that has had more than 5 people on it. Of course you are going to get routes that are busy but if you was to do survey on people saying if you had a choice between a bus or a tube to get you from Ealing Broadway to Central London, I'm sure the vast majority will chose the tube. No one likes route cuts but to be fair some of these upcoming cuts do make sense, the routes aren't making money that's the reality of it. Do they really make sense? Not all of them no like 48 being withdrawn ridicolous! RV1 being withdrawn nice route but let's face it most of the day the route is carrying very few passengers.
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Post by COBO on Jun 13, 2019 18:11:51 GMT
Do they really make sense? Not all of them no like 48 being withdrawn ridicolous! RV1 being withdrawn nice route but let's face it most of the day the route is carrying very few passengers. The RV1 used to be a busy route how did it get from very busy to carrying a few passengers?
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Post by rhys on Jun 13, 2019 18:19:49 GMT
Do they really make sense? Not all of them no like 48 being withdrawn ridicolous! RV1 being withdrawn nice route but let's face it most of the day the route is carrying very few passengers. It's a shame about the RV1, used to be one of the buses I got to work, when I used to work for a housing association in Tower Bridge. Back then, the RV1 used to be really popular, especially for those commuting to and from London Bridge Station to Tower Bridge. Once the Tooley Street/Thameslink Upgrade works commenced, I think it did have a massive knock-on affect with the RV1's usage. TfL then started to decrease the frequency of the RV1 drastically, I believe to x20mins, which discouraged many passengers even more, to the point where running the RV1 service is now deemed to not be very cost effective. It's a shame, considering the benefits of the RV1 when it originally started. But with routes like the 381 and 343 which parallel to the RV1 at a higher frequency, axeing it was inevitable. I just feel bad for those with mobility issues/older folks, who are trying to access the South bank. It just creates a slightly greater challenge for them.
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Post by george on Jun 13, 2019 18:20:23 GMT
Not all of them no like 48 being withdrawn ridicolous! RV1 being withdrawn nice route but let's face it most of the day the route is carrying very few passengers. The RV1 used to be a busy route how did it get from very busy to carrying a few passengers? I think it's down to one main reason "traffic congestion". That certainly puts people off.
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Post by snowman on Jun 13, 2019 18:28:03 GMT
Not all of them no like 48 being withdrawn ridicolous! RV1 being withdrawn nice route but let's face it most of the day the route is carrying very few passengers. The RV1 used to be a busy route how did it get from very busy to carrying a few passengers? Various works in London Bridge station area caused it to unreliable / slow / indirect etc., and route was forced to compete with new cycle lanes (so multiple reasons)
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Post by vjaska on Jun 13, 2019 21:37:27 GMT
The RV1 used to be a busy route how did it get from very busy to carrying a few passengers? I think it's down to one main reason "traffic congestion". That certainly puts people off. It was down to the works at London Bridge & the subsequent slashing off its frequency which shows how cutting something only worsens the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 5:40:12 GMT
Not all of them no like 48 being withdrawn ridicolous! RV1 being withdrawn nice route but let's face it most of the day the route is carrying very few passengers. The RV1 used to be a busy route how did it get from very busy to carrying a few passengers? There are probably a multitude of reasons for the decline in usage over the last few years and it's withdrawal doesn't really come as a surprise.
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Post by londonboy71 on Jun 21, 2019 8:09:54 GMT
I can't understand why there is no bus direct from Tottenham to Hackney so many people change at Stamford Hill onto 253/254. One idea is to extend 349 to Homerton Hospital but there's little space available there so maybe Clapton Garage would be better. Or maybe this: North Middlesex Hospital Angel Corner Tottenham Seven Sisters Stamford Hill Clapton Pond Vlapton Bus Garage ( Hackney Central). From SF or AR
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